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Old 31st Oct 2013, 12:50
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Gazette Article

We can't change what is going on folks and however irrational the decisions appear to us, one has to assume there is reasonable logic behind it and that people who know the facts know what they're doing. (Don't laugh )

I can't help but feel though the lack of detail in the plan released is somewhat worrying and making statements like we can upscale back to holidays flights again in the future is at best optimistic, at worst naive, given the apparent way the existing airlines have been treated (let alone the customers). Confidence must be shot at the handling of this debacle and it would take some serious bridge building to reverse that loss of confidence.

As for the way it's been handled, a fiasco as P330 put it, well this forum could well be to blame for that, I've heard this news was to be announced as part of the masterplan but someone working at the airport leaked it on here, the press picked it up and Peel's hand was forced.
DTV, I know this forum can be a dangerous tool and I know the airport has privately said this forum has at times been "the bane of their lives." What is said on here can have a material effect which is why we must all go careful what we say whilst at the same time realising this is a public place for people to air their views and concerns - it's a balance. In many examples, I would agree with you - I know things leaked from here have caused problems for the airport, but in this particular case, the first news came from the airport themselves (with minimal detail) and it was Thomsons themselves who removed flights and made a public statement that the airport didn't want them. I'll stick to my point therefore that their handling of this has made the situation materially worse than it needed to be.
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 13:24
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Yes Thomson had already been told by Peel but it was supposed to be under wraps, the only reason Thomson were honest about the situation is because they were asked by the press after they picked it up, the only inaccuracy in my original post is it may have been from social media of some kind, not necessarily from on here, though it is likely and the principle is the same.

And for the last time, the airport cannot be closed outright, there are simply too many obstacles for Peel to have to overcome before they could make such a move.
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 13:45
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P330 - you mentioned that airport management consider this forum a bane of their lives. Is this really the case, and if so why ? From what I can tell, the only info on here has been either info readily available in the public domain, or from intelligent guesswork, piecing together various other public domain info.
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 14:08
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Closed or not closed. Monty Python time.

Its a good job this thread is running or Peel would get away with a lot more.
As for DTVAirport saying that Peel cant close the airport. I would say it already on that path.
Whats going to be the classification of it being closed, one plane or one helicopter operating.
It sounds like the dead parrot sketch care of Monty Python.
I wonder if Peel use it in their training courses
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 14:11
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The past..

Just racking my brains for an earlier announcement and came across this:

AMBITIOUS proposals which will see Durham Tees Valley Airport move to a unique ‘twin terminal’ operation have been revealed today. The plans — which will see the terminal building divided in a ‘premium’ area targeted at scheduled services and business travellers and another area which will handle holiday charter and ‘low cost’ services — are part of a wholesale business review designed to ensure that the airport is able to respond to the current economic situation and be in a position to secure its long-term future.

Airport Director Kerry Quinn stressed that the new-look airport had been developed following detailed discussions with airlines and was already delivering results—highlighted by Eastern Airways’ recently-introduced service to Southampton.

"The good news is expected to continue in the near future, with talks ongoing with other airlines about new business opportunities at the airport," a spokesman said.

Airport chiefs believe that the changes will help deliver a significant increase in passenger numbers in the coming year.

As well as the new scheduled services it has already been announced that next summer will see new flights to Jersey and additional flights to Turkey.

Ms Quinn said: “All the feedback we have received on the plans from our airline partners and customers has been resoundingly positive. There is a clear need for a local, convenient and passenger-friendly airport serving the Tees Valley, Durham and North Yorkshire. That has always been the philosophy at Durham Tees Valley — and it will be strengthened by the changes we are making as a result of this major business review. We will be able to offer a year-round service in our ‘premium’ area, providing the quality of service which scheduled service passengers—especially business travellers—now expect, such as dedicated lounge facilities, speedy security lanes and wi-fi internet access. The other ‘leisure’ area will be brought into operation to meet the peak holiday periods, again with the right range of services for that market, aimed at making people’s experience as stress-free and relaxed as possible. We have also decided that it makes economic and operational sense to reduce our normal operating hours from 4am to 10pm, whilst retaining the flexibility to handle aircraft outside those hours if required.”

The proposals by the Peel Airports Group announced today also involves changes in workforce levels, working arrangements and terms and conditions and the airport has begun consultations with staff and trade unions.
This was from 4 years ago during another announcement phase. Here the article talks about a split terminal. What ever happened to that plan? Was it ever followed through?

P330 - you mentioned that airport management consider this forum a bane of their lives. Is this really the case, and if so why ? From what I can tell, the only info on here has been either info readily available in the public domain, or from intelligent guesswork, piecing together various other public domain info.
The feeling at the time was the airport were struggling to deal with comments on forums that were feeding into the general public or the wider media which simply weren't true and it was a recurring battle having to respond to such comments when forced publicly. I think they felt they were doing the best they could with the resources they had but had to spend unecessary time fighting media fires that had been inflamed from here.

I also "sensed" that whilst we talk about Peel creating a downward spiral of their own making, their was a retort that the constant negativity back (much of which they believed was untrue) would create a self ful-filling prophecy. In other words, the more the media knocked, nibbled and talked things down, the more difficult it is for Peel to do their jobs and therefore the very actions of those knocking cause the outcome they fear.

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Old 1st Nov 2013, 03:06
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Ah Doris!! The hated councillor who over the years has actually done the airport more damage than Peel!! The first part of the first comment under the Northern Echo article hits the nail on the head:

"Everytime DTV wanted to further business the locals kicked off, well serves you right for being so narrow minded."

The residents also fit the description I mentioned in an earlier post, people who simply don't know the facts

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Old 1st Nov 2013, 07:48
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The hated councillor who over the years has actually done the airport more damage than Peel!
Ah, so it's all the fault of Ppruners and a parish councillor called Doris?! Unbelievable...
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 13:06
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No not by any means, but they are contributing factors, Doris has put the block on many airport plans over the years and now she's trying to offer words of support?!

Peel are to blame - but the original pre-VAS Peel, the current Peel have been trying to clean up the mess but as far as passenger operations go it seems the damage was beyond repair.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 13:11
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Tell you what, you're all quick to criticise from behind the safety of a keyboard and monitor, why don't you all put your money where your mouth is and voice your concerns at tonight's FoDTVA meeting, 7pm at The St George Hotel.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 13:26
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why don't you all put your money where your mouth is
I assume that you are planning a buy-out then.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 14:52
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To be fair DTVAirport you've done your fair amount of keyboard criticism over the years, so not sure you should be taking the moral high ground now.

Also not sure what you mean by this Peel lot been different to the pre VAS Peel...board members look pretty much the same to me?
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 16:38
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Who got the BMI court case money?

Re the gazette news. They have put a gallery of pics through the years.
I noted a couple of Hughie smiling broadly. I wonder what he makes of all of this. He's a non executive director at James Cook Hospital Trust now!
While browsing the photo's I noted a BMI advert on the terminal.
What happened to the court case and millions which were due to be paid out to Peel?
Durham Tees Valley Airport should go for Government cash a third time, claims Sedgefield MP - Gazette Live

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Old 1st Nov 2013, 17:09
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The only rational explanation of the announcement is surely that they have identified that the number of staff required to handle aircraft larger than F70 size doesn't warrant the cost. Hence the Flybe Jersey also being retained. Because if it was just timing, they could have adopted a policy that says "charters only accepted if they can be timed to operate either shortly before or shortly after a schedule".

And they are presumably re-modelling the terminal so that it never handles more than an F70 and a J41 load at any one time - 105?

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Old 1st Nov 2013, 18:17
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It ws actually quite sad to see that photo gallery. It is a shadow of its former self. I myself have some great memories of holidays from there. The highlight being an AIH DC10. When was the new fascia installed onto the terminal?
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 18:19
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I've been wondering about the Baby court case as well - last mention I can find is back in May 2010 when the airport won at the Appeal Court. No mention since.

Airport wins its legal battle (From The Northern Echo)
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 19:08
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So let me get this straight, IF ever someone like Jet2 happened to come along and say, right we want to base 2 737's here in the summer and 1 737 here in the winter and open, say 6 new routes. They wouldn't be able to?

Unlikely but not impossible. I don't actually think it would have much effect on their NCL services, they seem to have stagnated at NCL with no new 2014 routes... Looking at EMA on the other hand is staggering!
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 20:09
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Why would Jet2 want to have bases at Newcastle, DTV and Leeds ?
Costs a fair bit of cash, incurs management time and adds overall complexity to an airline's business to have an additional base.
Anyone living in Middlesbrough is more than capable of travelling to NCL or LBA for their summer holiday. Why should Jet2 cut their profit margins when they can make the customers come to NCL / LBA instead ?
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 20:17
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[QUOTE] Anyone living in Middlesbrough is more than capable of travelling to NCL or LBA for their summer holiday.[QUOTE]

This is why this airport is in the state it is.
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Old 2nd Nov 2013, 02:12
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Davidjohnson6, I understand what you mean, and with the risk that MME would be it could prove to be more costly, hopefully not but still...

To be fair, however, if you look at the locations of Jet2's bases, especially their 3 largest, EMA, LBA and MAN, they are all within 50nm of each other. So they must know what they're doing.

Great Circle Mapper,
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Old 2nd Nov 2013, 03:32
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I for one don't believe that Peel can't close the airport any time soon. In reality a skeleton service of KL / Eastern & the low pax volumes are simply going to cause more problems than solutions. Running a "part time" airport with "part time" staff is fraught with potential problems. As an example how to deal with delayed flights is one particular example.
As for the terminal, then errecting a wall to reduce the available area and attributable costs says nothing of the passenger experience, believe it or not a fact that often seems overlooked, is that pax travelling through any airport do not enjoy the experience !, however many cafe's/pubs/fancy goods shops are on offer to absorb the waiting time.
Anyhow if they are proposing to close part of the terminal, then why not close part of the runway as well, after all with the largest aircraft likely to be F100's / EMB's then you don't need more than 5,000ft. I'm sure that Peel would seize on such an oportunity when they work it out, it would simply reflect progress on their grand scheme to run the place down.
Finally as to accessibility then the road access to anyone living away from the "A66 corridor" is awful, & the reality is that the only people DTV was ever going to serve were local, incidentally, when driving down the A1 yesterday & I notice there are still signs to "Teesside Airport" drew my attention, though I expect they won't be needed in any form, so there's a cost saving no need to get any paint out.
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