"Bye Bye Baby" on FR jets at BHX
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"Bye Bye Baby" on FR jets at BHX
Shocked today to taxi out and see this written in massive letters of the side of the Ryanair machine in front of us. I would be utterly ashamed to fly it. I know you drivers don't get much of a say at FR but this is taking the p###. Actually wishing for the closure of an airline and the associated redundancies is crass in the extreme in the current environment.
I'm sure this purile nonsense has been going on between FR and EZY at LTN for years but we dont need it spreading.
No axe to grind BTW, not a Baby employee, just an ordinary line pilot sad to see another nail being driven into the coffin of this once great industry.
I'm sure this purile nonsense has been going on between FR and EZY at LTN for years but we dont need it spreading.
No axe to grind BTW, not a Baby employee, just an ordinary line pilot sad to see another nail being driven into the coffin of this once great industry.
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I'm pretty sure it's been flying around a while now.
Can't say it bothers me all that much. They're entitled to say pretty much what they like, after all.
There are much more pressing things taking place in the industry right now..
Can't say it bothers me all that much. They're entitled to say pretty much what they like, after all.
There are much more pressing things taking place in the industry right now..
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It's been around for years now, as have several others relating to other airlines that FR compete with.
I was told by one of our contract captains a couple of years ago who had previously flown for FR that he had arrived in Pisa with an aircraft that had "arrividerci Alitalia" on the side. The refueller refused to fuel that aircraft, which had to depart to Genoa in the hope of picking up fuel there before proceeding en-route.
I was told by one of our contract captains a couple of years ago who had previously flown for FR that he had arrived in Pisa with an aircraft that had "arrividerci Alitalia" on the side. The refueller refused to fuel that aircraft, which had to depart to Genoa in the hope of picking up fuel there before proceeding en-route.
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Ryanair has been doing this for a while.
Other gems to watch for include:
"Bye Bye Easyjet"
"Arrividerci Alitalia"
"Bye Bye Air Berlin"
"Auf Wiedersehen Lufthansa"
"Bye Bye SkyEurope"
All in the best possible taste.
Other gems to watch for include:
"Bye Bye Easyjet"
"Arrividerci Alitalia"
"Bye Bye Air Berlin"
"Auf Wiedersehen Lufthansa"
"Bye Bye SkyEurope"
All in the best possible taste.
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Typical below-the-belt Ryanair rubbish totally lacking taste and consideration for employees and clients of said airline they publically ridicule and wish the failure of.
Just one of many reasons you'll never catch me on a Ryanair plane.
Just one of many reasons you'll never catch me on a Ryanair plane.
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Who cares what Ryanair write on their aircraft? Thats like worrying about the headlines in 'The Sun' - totally pointless.
Virgin used to write four is better than two on all of their planes (bashing BA777s vs the Virgin 4 engined fleet...) until of course Virgin ordered the 787. Almost a waste of paint!
More to the point with Baby is the question of how long Lufthansa will take to clean up the (huge) BMI losses. Not long I imagine, LH are busy planning cuts at Austrian and LH Cargo too, both of which are also in deep 'doo doo', so LH will have had plenty of practice at where to wield the knife.
One thing that will not be in the LH considerations for sure is what happens to be written on the side of a few Ryanair aircraft.
My prediction is that Baby will either be sold or closed before the end of 2009. Also that all of the BMI UK scheduled operations that do not include LHR will get the chop (to Flybe's delight) and that LH will switch BMI @ LHR to routes that suit LH & Star. eg. new Kiev, extra Tel Aviv etc, and continue to lose domestic routes that don't produce much for LH (more Flybe and BA delight). We've seen a good deal of that already.
LH wants to steal London's, LHR's & BA's premium traffic, not Baby's low yield bucket and spade pax from the UK regions.
Note that Kiev and Moscow are two of Austrians' stronger destinations/connections through Vienna, a hint that LH driven capacity reductions on those routes from VIE are in the offing too. More likley that London and not Vienna produces the premium traffic to these cities.
Im' sure that Ezy and Ryr will sweep up the Baby business and employ more staff to do it.
Who knows we may even see Jet2 picking up a bit of a baby and even one or two aircraft.
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Virgin used to write four is better than two on all of their planes (bashing BA777s vs the Virgin 4 engined fleet...) until of course Virgin ordered the 787. Almost a waste of paint!
More to the point with Baby is the question of how long Lufthansa will take to clean up the (huge) BMI losses. Not long I imagine, LH are busy planning cuts at Austrian and LH Cargo too, both of which are also in deep 'doo doo', so LH will have had plenty of practice at where to wield the knife.
One thing that will not be in the LH considerations for sure is what happens to be written on the side of a few Ryanair aircraft.
My prediction is that Baby will either be sold or closed before the end of 2009. Also that all of the BMI UK scheduled operations that do not include LHR will get the chop (to Flybe's delight) and that LH will switch BMI @ LHR to routes that suit LH & Star. eg. new Kiev, extra Tel Aviv etc, and continue to lose domestic routes that don't produce much for LH (more Flybe and BA delight). We've seen a good deal of that already.
LH wants to steal London's, LHR's & BA's premium traffic, not Baby's low yield bucket and spade pax from the UK regions.
Note that Kiev and Moscow are two of Austrians' stronger destinations/connections through Vienna, a hint that LH driven capacity reductions on those routes from VIE are in the offing too. More likley that London and not Vienna produces the premium traffic to these cities.
Im' sure that Ezy and Ryr will sweep up the Baby business and employ more staff to do it.
Who knows we may even see Jet2 picking up a bit of a baby and even one or two aircraft.
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Not a Ryanair exclusive trait I'm afraid.
A few years ago when Flybe started CWL-EDI in competiton with BMi Baby, they hired the Bay City Rollers to sing their hit "Bye Bye Baby" to the first set of boarding pax. Admitted this was more like a little inter-company ribbing rather than the nasty undertones of daubing one's aircraft like that.
There is a thread on one of the forums about how ryanair are now running a competition for pax to come up with new ways of charging their punters! Lowest common denominator.
A few years ago when Flybe started CWL-EDI in competiton with BMi Baby, they hired the Bay City Rollers to sing their hit "Bye Bye Baby" to the first set of boarding pax. Admitted this was more like a little inter-company ribbing rather than the nasty undertones of daubing one's aircraft like that.
There is a thread on one of the forums about how ryanair are now running a competition for pax to come up with new ways of charging their punters! Lowest common denominator.
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I thought the regional operation was doing rather better than the European
Heathrow set up and as LH are on very good terms with MAN I can
see the need for bmi regional to connect with their flights, but thats another
story and not really for this forum
Ian
I thought the regional operation was doing rather better than the European
Heathrow set up and as LH are on very good terms with MAN I can
see the need for bmi regional to connect with their flights, but thats another
story and not really for this forum
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declining loads, new 737s being delivered by the dozen that have to be paid for and now sale /lease back is more dodgy due to credit crunch, etc etc
soon will be BYE BYE RYANAIR!
and good riddance!
soon will be BYE BYE RYANAIR!
and good riddance!
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Blue Pilot - Bye Bye Ryanair and good riddance?
Please, grow up a bit. I thought this was a forum for adults........I don't agree with such shameless efforts to put the competition out of business but wishing the demise of any company whatever you think about them is disrespectful and tactless to those who get paid by said company and therefore whose livelihoods would be put at risk by its demise.
Which makes you as bad as Ryanair in my opinion
Please, grow up a bit. I thought this was a forum for adults........I don't agree with such shameless efforts to put the competition out of business but wishing the demise of any company whatever you think about them is disrespectful and tactless to those who get paid by said company and therefore whose livelihoods would be put at risk by its demise.
Which makes you as bad as Ryanair in my opinion
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so I am as bad as ryanair! I dont think so...
This company has behaved discracefully in the past and i cant see the arrogant bordering on dam right evil attitude changing in the future.
So to hell with them I say and good riddance!! (just in case my feelings were not clear before!!)
This company has behaved discracefully in the past and i cant see the arrogant bordering on dam right evil attitude changing in the future.
So to hell with them I say and good riddance!! (just in case my feelings were not clear before!!)
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Internal information suggest that bmibaby is more than holding its own and providing very useful forward cash flow whilst the business side of the group is finding business hard to come by which is no surprise. As to what LH may or may not do one should remember that LH have been a significant share holder in bmi for 10 years, indeed baby was set up under their watch and approval, baby reduction in fleet size is part of a lease commitment reduction on going through out the group (bmi)
LH own 75% of their fleet and in the longer term bmi will own more of its future fleet, as for baby who knows, a fleet of 17 aircraft is not big beans either way for LH and yes they may sell or close it, or of course keep it and grow it, but its not a priority for the board of bmi at this time, bmibaby winter program will be out shortly and that should leave things more settled for all until the spring of 2010.
A few letter on the side of a Ryanair (will not bother bmi or LH) everyone knows its par for the course of MOL and many pax have no idea what it means.
Looking at Ryanair it seems to me and others that they have over ordered new aircraft in the down turn and have had to find new routes at airports that have higher costs and delays than many of the airports used in its past growth pattern.
The plan to abloish checkin desks is an interesting developement, but it could go very wrong if as it seems it is desgined to screw yet more money from unsuspecting pax.
Hopefully things will settle down and there will be jobs for all
LH own 75% of their fleet and in the longer term bmi will own more of its future fleet, as for baby who knows, a fleet of 17 aircraft is not big beans either way for LH and yes they may sell or close it, or of course keep it and grow it, but its not a priority for the board of bmi at this time, bmibaby winter program will be out shortly and that should leave things more settled for all until the spring of 2010.
A few letter on the side of a Ryanair (will not bother bmi or LH) everyone knows its par for the course of MOL and many pax have no idea what it means.
Looking at Ryanair it seems to me and others that they have over ordered new aircraft in the down turn and have had to find new routes at airports that have higher costs and delays than many of the airports used in its past growth pattern.
The plan to abloish checkin desks is an interesting developement, but it could go very wrong if as it seems it is desgined to screw yet more money from unsuspecting pax.
Hopefully things will settle down and there will be jobs for all