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Originally Posted by IB4138
FlyTorair.com Limited appears to be a separate company to the airline, formed just this year in the UK. Looks like they are a ticketing agency.
If you would like to contact us at Torair please see the following details:
My bold. A nod is as good as a wink to a blind man?Any more convincing needed?
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FlyTorair.com Limited appears to be a separate company to the airline, formed just this year in the UK. Looks like they are a ticketing agency.
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BOAC I have done some more digging.
FlyTorair website states
...the website of Tor Air AB... a separate legal entity.
Flytorair website makes the distinction between the two companies.
Mathias Jonsson is Director of Flight Operations at Tor Air AB. Same guy, same title, at Fly Me who filed for bankruptcy in 2007. Seems also to be linked (at some stage) to Fly Excellent who operated a couple of MD83s and ceased operation, returning it's aircraft to lessors in December 2008.
Tor Air AB started operations in 2008, receiving it's Swedish Operators Licence on 1st December that year.
FlyTorair website states
For more information on Torair the airline please see our Torair website
Flytorair website makes the distinction between the two companies.
Mathias Jonsson is Director of Flight Operations at Tor Air AB. Same guy, same title, at Fly Me who filed for bankruptcy in 2007. Seems also to be linked (at some stage) to Fly Excellent who operated a couple of MD83s and ceased operation, returning it's aircraft to lessors in December 2008.
Tor Air AB started operations in 2008, receiving it's Swedish Operators Licence on 1st December that year.
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It's normally in September when these companies run into difficulties so i'm sure if you plan on flying with them in july you'll be fine..... maybe a 26hr delay but sure if it's cheap! 
I hope people will learn to pay a little extra to fly with well estabished airlines like monarch & thomson who know what they're doing and in overall terms give great value for money.
I hope people will learn to pay a little extra to fly with well estabished airlines like monarch & thomson who know what they're doing and in overall terms give great value for money.
Not suprisingly "wings recruitment", the aviation branch of Mountain High Recruitment in Crawley, was also used to place some of the Viking Pilots who are currently in Canada under contract to Sunwings.
A couple of weeks ago Viking were contacting 737 TREs to find out if they had any capacity to conduct training on 737 classics, and the ex base captain from LGW has been asking some of the ex Viking 737 Pilots currently in Canada if they would be interested in some work in the UK over the summer
Meanwhile unknown investors from Iceland have put enough money into Torair, an existing Swedish AOC holder, to start a 737 operation in the UK...
Does anyone really believe that there is no connection, or that this isn't a calculated way to restart the operation without trading as Viking AB and thus avoiding the creditors (including cabin crew, flight crew, engineers, etc etc)?
A couple of weeks ago Viking were contacting 737 TREs to find out if they had any capacity to conduct training on 737 classics, and the ex base captain from LGW has been asking some of the ex Viking 737 Pilots currently in Canada if they would be interested in some work in the UK over the summer
Meanwhile unknown investors from Iceland have put enough money into Torair, an existing Swedish AOC holder, to start a 737 operation in the UK...
Does anyone really believe that there is no connection, or that this isn't a calculated way to restart the operation without trading as Viking AB and thus avoiding the creditors (including cabin crew, flight crew, engineers, etc etc)?
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Of course Tor Air is nothing other than the continuation of PW's Excel/XL/Viking/Viking Hellas string of failed airlines. And of course, the UK's independent tour operators are so stupid that they will once again buy into this scam. But PW's potential market has shrunk considerably, what with Argo, Libra, Gold Trail, Flight Options, Kiss all gone. Who wants to book with Tor Air this year, and join the list ?
The CAA's ATOL bond criteria should be based on a tour operator's choice of carrier. That would soon put an end to all this nonsense.
The CAA's ATOL bond criteria should be based on a tour operator's choice of carrier. That would soon put an end to all this nonsense.
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Scammers Int'l ?
Tor Air suddenly has new investors and magnificent web pages looking like a clone of those of Viking Airlines and Viking Hellas. Viking Airlines is showing no intent of new business this spring, and Tor Air suddenly has got two 737-300s coming in for the summer and are selling tickets from England to all over Europe.
Considering Viking's ownership practice regarding external crew lease companies nobody has heard of before, and the non-payment practice of salaries and expenses due to flight and cabin crew, it should be fair to assume that prospective employees should consider taking a closer look at the new ownership structures in Sweden, and which investor group would appear to be there to "help" the benign Tor Air triple it's fleet this summer. Should any connection be found, advance pay and a company credit card for expenses would be a good start.
Considering Viking's ownership practice regarding external crew lease companies nobody has heard of before, and the non-payment practice of salaries and expenses due to flight and cabin crew, it should be fair to assume that prospective employees should consider taking a closer look at the new ownership structures in Sweden, and which investor group would appear to be there to "help" the benign Tor Air triple it's fleet this summer. Should any connection be found, advance pay and a company credit card for expenses would be a good start.
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Interested readers (hopefully the CAA?) might wish to visit MERIDIAN AVIATION UK LIMITED of RH6 0HA in GATWICK AIRPORT WEST SUSSEX. The
"People connected with the Company"
have a familiar odour about them. do you feel?
From companies records:
MR HALLDOR SIGURDARSON
KOSMAR TRAVEL LIMITED
KOSMAR VILLA HOLIDAYS PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANY
BPI UK LIMITED
MERIDIAN AVIATION UK LIMITED
HALLDOR SIGURDARSON
XL AIRWAYS UK LIMITED
EXCEL AVIATION LIMITED
AIR ATLANTA EUROPE LIMITED
BPI UK LIMITED
BA2PM LIMITED
HALDOR SIGURDARSON
XL LEISURE GROUP PLC
MR HALLDOR HRAFNSSON
AIRCRAFT TECHNICAL MANAGEMENT & CONSULTATION LIMITED
MR HALLDOR BJAKAR LUGVIGSSON
INTERBULK GROUP PLC
HALLDOR KRISTJANSSON
HERITABLE BANK PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANY
LANDSBANKI SECURITIES (UK) HOLDINGS PLC
HALLDOR SIGURJONSSON
KUDOS DIGITAL GROUP LIMITED
HALLDOR HRAFNSSON
AIRCRAFT TECHNICAL MANAGEMENT & CONSULTATION LIMITED
Anyone remember Black Pearl investements (BPI?). I is also worth re-visiting the dormant thread 'Kiss Air'.
Question for today - What is the difference between the CAA and kid with candy?
I wonder when Phil Lintott-Clarke will re-surface?
"People connected with the Company"
have a familiar odour about them. do you feel?
From companies records:
MR HALLDOR SIGURDARSON
KOSMAR TRAVEL LIMITED
KOSMAR VILLA HOLIDAYS PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANY
BPI UK LIMITED
MERIDIAN AVIATION UK LIMITED
HALLDOR SIGURDARSON
XL AIRWAYS UK LIMITED
EXCEL AVIATION LIMITED
AIR ATLANTA EUROPE LIMITED
BPI UK LIMITED
BA2PM LIMITED
HALDOR SIGURDARSON
XL LEISURE GROUP PLC
MR HALLDOR HRAFNSSON
AIRCRAFT TECHNICAL MANAGEMENT & CONSULTATION LIMITED
MR HALLDOR BJAKAR LUGVIGSSON
INTERBULK GROUP PLC
HALLDOR KRISTJANSSON
HERITABLE BANK PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANY
LANDSBANKI SECURITIES (UK) HOLDINGS PLC
HALLDOR SIGURJONSSON
KUDOS DIGITAL GROUP LIMITED
HALLDOR HRAFNSSON
AIRCRAFT TECHNICAL MANAGEMENT & CONSULTATION LIMITED
Anyone remember Black Pearl investements (BPI?). I is also worth re-visiting the dormant thread 'Kiss Air'.
Question for today - What is the difference between the CAA and kid with candy?
I wonder when Phil Lintott-Clarke will re-surface?
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Nice research BOAC
The trouble is that the CAA's employees couldn't care less. Whenever there is a call on the travel trust fund, it isn't their money, it's the tax payer that is being asked to bail out these crooks.
PW and HS should be prevented from acting as shareholders and/or company directors of travel companies.
The trouble is that the CAA's employees couldn't care less. Whenever there is a call on the travel trust fund, it isn't their money, it's the tax payer that is being asked to bail out these crooks.
PW and HS should be prevented from acting as shareholders and/or company directors of travel companies.
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update on torair
Torair flights from Manchester start next week. Handling agent has already been prepped and are ready for next weeks flights....
1 x Monday checkin open at 3am for a 6am DEP
1 x Thursday checkin open at 3am for a 6am DEP
Flights will increase to 6 per week in the summer, all flights will be routed via Gothenburg.
As for Viking Hellas, they are still going to operate a summer schedule from MAN, but loads will obviously decrease as a result of Torair.....
As for Strategic Air, they also are planning a full Summer schedule from MAN, to both Greece and Cyrus
1 x Monday checkin open at 3am for a 6am DEP
1 x Thursday checkin open at 3am for a 6am DEP
Flights will increase to 6 per week in the summer, all flights will be routed via Gothenburg.
As for Viking Hellas, they are still going to operate a summer schedule from MAN, but loads will obviously decrease as a result of Torair.....
As for Strategic Air, they also are planning a full Summer schedule from MAN, to both Greece and Cyrus
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All good and well. Put on the flights and they will come. Or will they ? With all the media coverage of PW and his companies, are travel agents going to risk booking their clients with these companies, especially in view of the proposed new ATOL rules making travel agencies liable in the event of the airline's failure ? The rules will change the game forever.
Here's what the papers have: -
Source: Travel Weekly Feb 28, 2011 07:44
Media pursuit of former XL bosses continues
Attempts by former directors of XL Leisure Group to draw a line under their association with the most costly failure in industry history risk being undone by continued media interest in their new business ventures.
The Sunday Times reported yesterday that former XL Leisure chief executive Phil Wyatt and business associate Halldor Sigurdarson had become directors of Gatwick-based Meridian Aviation.
In fact, Wyatt has been a director of Meridian since last November - as Travel Weekly revealed in December. Sigurdarson was an executive at Swedish charter carrier Viking Airlines AB, now in bankruptcy protection in Sweden and seeking fresh investment.
Meridian acted as general sales agent (GSA) for Viking Airlines and is run by Wyatt's brother Jim. Phil Wyatt was a part-owner of Viking through investment company Black Pearl Investments UK (BPI UK) which he set up. The Sunday Times referred to Meridian's lack of an Atol, but as a GSA Meridian would not require one.
Wyatt refuses to comment on his business activities following persistent press speculation that he benefited in some way from the collapse of XL Leisure in 2008 - an allegation he denies. He and his associates believe the press interest is unfairly tarnishing other businesses by association - a belief shared by some independent tour operators.
The Sunday Times report noted that Kiss Flights, which folded last year, was sold by Meridian. Kiss failed in August 2010 after adding capacity and taking on many of the customers who had lost holidays when Goldtrail Travel failed in July.
Goldtrail's unexpected collapse remains the subject of an inquiry and about one third of potential claims from Goldtrail clients remain outstanding. However, Travel Weekly understands the Civil Aviation Authority views the Kiss failure as a model of how consumer protection should work.
Viking Airlines operated a substantial number of flights for Goldtrail and is believed to have lost a considerable sum of money from the company's failure to complete its summer 2010 programme. No one from Meridian was available to comment.
All good and well. Put on the flights and they will come. Or will they ? With all the media coverage of PW and his companies, are travel agents going to risk booking their clients with these companies, especially in view of the proposed new ATOL rules making travel agencies liable in the event of the airline's failure ? The rules will change the game forever.
Here's what the papers have: -
Source: Travel Weekly Feb 28, 2011 07:44
Media pursuit of former XL bosses continues
Attempts by former directors of XL Leisure Group to draw a line under their association with the most costly failure in industry history risk being undone by continued media interest in their new business ventures.
The Sunday Times reported yesterday that former XL Leisure chief executive Phil Wyatt and business associate Halldor Sigurdarson had become directors of Gatwick-based Meridian Aviation.
In fact, Wyatt has been a director of Meridian since last November - as Travel Weekly revealed in December. Sigurdarson was an executive at Swedish charter carrier Viking Airlines AB, now in bankruptcy protection in Sweden and seeking fresh investment.
Meridian acted as general sales agent (GSA) for Viking Airlines and is run by Wyatt's brother Jim. Phil Wyatt was a part-owner of Viking through investment company Black Pearl Investments UK (BPI UK) which he set up. The Sunday Times referred to Meridian's lack of an Atol, but as a GSA Meridian would not require one.
Wyatt refuses to comment on his business activities following persistent press speculation that he benefited in some way from the collapse of XL Leisure in 2008 - an allegation he denies. He and his associates believe the press interest is unfairly tarnishing other businesses by association - a belief shared by some independent tour operators.
The Sunday Times report noted that Kiss Flights, which folded last year, was sold by Meridian. Kiss failed in August 2010 after adding capacity and taking on many of the customers who had lost holidays when Goldtrail Travel failed in July.
Goldtrail's unexpected collapse remains the subject of an inquiry and about one third of potential claims from Goldtrail clients remain outstanding. However, Travel Weekly understands the Civil Aviation Authority views the Kiss failure as a model of how consumer protection should work.
Viking Airlines operated a substantial number of flights for Goldtrail and is believed to have lost a considerable sum of money from the company's failure to complete its summer 2010 programme. No one from Meridian was available to comment.
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cant understand why Torair is starting up when VKH cant achieve 100% loads....
Seems that some people will never understand that there is no money to be made in ethnic flights to Iraq. But then, maybe that isn't the plan after all. Just run the flights for a while, take big tour operator deposits, and leave unpaid Eurocontrol bills, salaries and aircraft leasing payments in your wake. It's a different way of making money I guess ?
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Viking Airlines has now officially applied for bankruptcy:
Verksamhet & Status - Viking Airlines AB
"Konkurs inledd 2011-02-28"
Bankruptcy started 2011-02-28.
Verksamhet & Status - Viking Airlines AB
"Konkurs inledd 2011-02-28"
Bankruptcy started 2011-02-28.
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Are you surprised ? The money that is missing in Viking has been pumped in to Tor Airlines. Any tour operator who books flights with them is just as guilty as the people behind this scam. When is someone going to step up and put a stop to this ?
Are you surprised ? The money that is missing in Viking has been pumped in to Tor Airlines. Any tour operator who books flights with them is just as guilty as the people behind this scam. When is someone going to step up and put a stop to this ?
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Viking - Tor Air
On the link Fly Tor Air it comes up Viking Airlines with a copyright stamp 2009 Fly Tor Air. Legally that links the two.
09/03/2011 = Just looked again and suddenly Viking has disappeared and it now says Tor Air
09/03/2011 = Just looked again and suddenly Viking has disappeared and it now says Tor Air
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A quick google check to Viking Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia reveals
Viking Airlines ceased operations on 18 October 2010 and was granted protection from creditors and placed in the hands of an administrator on 2 December 2010.[2]