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Lovely little Airport but its a G A Airport Its not London Oxford .
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Lovely little Airport but its a G A Airport Its not London Oxford .
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Indeed ATCO-Fred - there's more business aviation today at Oxford/Kidlington than Biggin Hill is seeing. Check CFMU.
Point of note, the airport would appear to have made no mention or announcement or otherwise of these new airline flights whatsoever..........
Point of note, the airport would appear to have made no mention or announcement or otherwise of these new airline flights whatsoever..........
It's been 6 weeks since Minoan made an announcement about setting up at Oxford airport. Like many, I'm not convinced that this be profitable.
Has there however been any noise outside PPRuNE indicating something serious and credible is actually happening on this, rather than just someone doing a press release. ? The absence of anything about this on Oxford airport's website does not inspire confidence.
Has there however been any noise outside PPRuNE indicating something serious and credible is actually happening on this, rather than just someone doing a press release. ? The absence of anything about this on Oxford airport's website does not inspire confidence.
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This interview would indicate more than just hype, unless they really have a change of mind.
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Article in the local paper today about Minoan Air's plans at OXF. Interestingly the airport declined to comment.
New service from Oxford Airport as flights to islands stop (From Oxford Mail)
New service from Oxford Airport as flights to islands stop (From Oxford Mail)
fjencl - if the website goes live on 8th December, is the plan still to start flight operations in January, taking into consideration that many offices in the UK have a near shut down for about 11 days in the middle of that period ?
Alternatively will flights start a little later instead - e.g. March ?
Alternatively will flights start a little later instead - e.g. March ?
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I have no more info ..sorry
I sent them an email asking when i can book a flight from Oxford - Edinburgh.
They replied to me that the web site goes live on 8th December 2012.
So i have no further info.
I sent them an email asking when i can book a flight from Oxford - Edinburgh.
They replied to me that the web site goes live on 8th December 2012.
So i have no further info.
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Reading the link in #211, it says Manx2 have been hit by fierce competition from budget flight provider EasyJet.
On what route IOM Blackpool vs IOM Liverpool?
The JER section is via Flybe @ LTN.
If so what chance have Minoan Air got competing on EZY; LTN EDI, LTN AMS - RYR; LTN - DUB?
On what route IOM Blackpool vs IOM Liverpool?
The JER section is via Flybe @ LTN.
If so what chance have Minoan Air got competing on EZY; LTN EDI, LTN AMS - RYR; LTN - DUB?
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I think it refers to IOM-LGW which was started by EZY and it's flooding the IOM south bound market with low cost seats.
Judging by the CAA figures, I can see why they're dropping it though, there's a massive drop off since EasyJet started.
Re: Minoan - I don't think they stand a chance
Judging by the CAA figures, I can see why they're dropping it though, there's a massive drop off since EasyJet started.
Re: Minoan - I don't think they stand a chance
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Oxford not just a GA airport
"Lovely little Airport but its a G A Airport Its not London Oxford"
learjet50, I think you are putting Oxford down without knowing the facts, the airport is not just a GA airport (see links from Flickr):-
VPBLW EGTK 22-10-20121a | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
BBJ & HS125 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
F900s | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
OE-III-2 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
EC-KQO | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
I hope you noted a BBJ in one of the pictures.
learjet50, I think you are putting Oxford down without knowing the facts, the airport is not just a GA airport (see links from Flickr):-
VPBLW EGTK 22-10-20121a | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
BBJ & HS125 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
F900s | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
OE-III-2 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!EC-KQO | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
I hope you noted a BBJ in one of the pictures.
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I think what Learjet50 means Augusta is that Oxford does not have many fare-paying passengers on regular scheduled services. General Aviation (GA) means business jets etc as well as puddle jumpers, training flights etc.
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Oxford is a great GA airfield. It looks like a GA airfield and has the feel of a GA airfield. It has the opening hours of a GA airfield, has a runway width of a GA airfield 98.4ft (30m) and a runway length of a GA airfield 4329ft (1319m) – TORA/ASDA/TODA/LDA. It serves Oxford and the surrounding area but I would say that is it.
Nothing wrong with any of that and nothing wrong in them pretending to serve London if they can get away with it.
Nothing wrong with any of that and nothing wrong in them pretending to serve London if they can get away with it.
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All due respect LTNman, you need to update your facts a bit. Oxford is arguably the best of all worlds these days:
It's still just a tenner to land a light GA aircraft under 2.73 tonnes (6,000 lbs) at the weekends or free if you pick up 45 litres of fuel (£16 during the week, whats it cost for Luton or Farnborough may we ask?) - it still has Europe's largest professional pilot training college, CAE Oxford Aviation Academy, however;
As for opening hours, its notably better that the likes of Biggin or Farnborough, in fact any other 'GA' airport in the SE UK with 06:30 to 22:30 seven days a week, but capable of opening from 06:00 to midnight - try getting into Farnborough after a football match on a Saturday evening - impossible! There are no slot constraints/requirements or weekend limits - currrently running at just 40,000 movements a year with a 160,000/annum capacity limit. There are no noise of weight limits.
The runway has PCN of 38 - stronger than London City and perfectly adequate for Boeing Business Jets at 77 tonnes whilst the licenced lengths are now longer at 1592m on RWY 01 and 1558 on RWY 19. A fully laden EMB-190 can do pretty much all of Europe out of there. The next generation of airliners like the Bombardier C-series will do 2000+ miles out of Oxford. It has a higher standard fire and rescue cover than any other 'GA' airfields at Cat 4 RFF with Cat 6 (for 100+ seat airliners, 737, A319, G550, Globals etc.) available at short notice.
Globals and G550s, 7Xs etc. all fly deep into the USA out of Oxford and can do New York on a charter - i.e. public transport.
The new £4m primary and secondary Thales radar is amongst the most advanced in the country today as are the ATC coms systems - completely refitted. There are hangars for large regional airliners including A319/320/737 etc., seven charter companies, five maintenance companies and over 6,000 business aviation movements a year. Of all the business aviation options around London, it's generally recognised as the best value, a fraction of the cost of certain others, either as a visitor or resident. It has an 8,000+ sq.ft. Executive FBO/terminal which has comfortably handled schedules and charters with 80-100 passengers.
On the airline/routes potential, Oxford is the 3rd most visited city in England outside of London, 11+ million visitors, 6 million through the train station alone, there's no competing commercial airport within less than an hour's drive or train ride, its in the middle of the wealthiest part of the UK outside of London and has a catchment of over 5 million in under an hour's drive. Economically, it's seen massive growth in the science, research and technology sector. Its the next IFR airport up the road from Heathrow and almost exactly half way between Heathrow (LHR) and Birmingham (BHX).
Yes, it's still GA-friendly - you can live there with your light single for a little over £100/month inclusive of your landings, but it sure has grown up in the last decade. It has full-blown commercial capabilities today but with the inherent advantages of a 'GA' airport - the best of all worlds.
And before we all mock the daft name, it may be 55+ miles from the west end of London, but you can comfotably get from touchdown at 'Oxford Airport' to 'Oxford Street' quicker than you'll do it from Biggin Hill, just 16 or so miles south of Canary Warf.
It's nothing like the airport it was several years ago.
It's still just a tenner to land a light GA aircraft under 2.73 tonnes (6,000 lbs) at the weekends or free if you pick up 45 litres of fuel (£16 during the week, whats it cost for Luton or Farnborough may we ask?) - it still has Europe's largest professional pilot training college, CAE Oxford Aviation Academy, however;
As for opening hours, its notably better that the likes of Biggin or Farnborough, in fact any other 'GA' airport in the SE UK with 06:30 to 22:30 seven days a week, but capable of opening from 06:00 to midnight - try getting into Farnborough after a football match on a Saturday evening - impossible! There are no slot constraints/requirements or weekend limits - currrently running at just 40,000 movements a year with a 160,000/annum capacity limit. There are no noise of weight limits.
The runway has PCN of 38 - stronger than London City and perfectly adequate for Boeing Business Jets at 77 tonnes whilst the licenced lengths are now longer at 1592m on RWY 01 and 1558 on RWY 19. A fully laden EMB-190 can do pretty much all of Europe out of there. The next generation of airliners like the Bombardier C-series will do 2000+ miles out of Oxford. It has a higher standard fire and rescue cover than any other 'GA' airfields at Cat 4 RFF with Cat 6 (for 100+ seat airliners, 737, A319, G550, Globals etc.) available at short notice.
Globals and G550s, 7Xs etc. all fly deep into the USA out of Oxford and can do New York on a charter - i.e. public transport.
The new £4m primary and secondary Thales radar is amongst the most advanced in the country today as are the ATC coms systems - completely refitted. There are hangars for large regional airliners including A319/320/737 etc., seven charter companies, five maintenance companies and over 6,000 business aviation movements a year. Of all the business aviation options around London, it's generally recognised as the best value, a fraction of the cost of certain others, either as a visitor or resident. It has an 8,000+ sq.ft. Executive FBO/terminal which has comfortably handled schedules and charters with 80-100 passengers.
On the airline/routes potential, Oxford is the 3rd most visited city in England outside of London, 11+ million visitors, 6 million through the train station alone, there's no competing commercial airport within less than an hour's drive or train ride, its in the middle of the wealthiest part of the UK outside of London and has a catchment of over 5 million in under an hour's drive. Economically, it's seen massive growth in the science, research and technology sector. Its the next IFR airport up the road from Heathrow and almost exactly half way between Heathrow (LHR) and Birmingham (BHX).
Yes, it's still GA-friendly - you can live there with your light single for a little over £100/month inclusive of your landings, but it sure has grown up in the last decade. It has full-blown commercial capabilities today but with the inherent advantages of a 'GA' airport - the best of all worlds.
And before we all mock the daft name, it may be 55+ miles from the west end of London, but you can comfotably get from touchdown at 'Oxford Airport' to 'Oxford Street' quicker than you'll do it from Biggin Hill, just 16 or so miles south of Canary Warf.
It's nothing like the airport it was several years ago.