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Old 29th Jun 2017, 21:00
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Originally Posted by AerRyan View Post
I'd argue that that's not correct, I'd say even the least knowledgeable of travellers know that a 30 flight is much better than what they're paying.

I'd like you to point out your example too, using any date in the next week (generous considering it's not even full peak season).
... unless you're in Scotland!

Seriously, if you're footloose and able to take time off at short notice, then by all means bank on booking a last minute bargain. If it's your main family holiday, I don't think so.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry View Post
Classic economics - nothing is more useless to a business than an unused airline seat - or yesterday's newspaper
Well the simple fact is, whatever flight is selling for 30 a few days before the flight, it is not well loaded, or making money in any way, shape or form.

TUI and TCX etc may adopt these tactics, but one thing that is certain is that scheduled operators do not. Their fare structure has loss leader fares first, gently making its way up to some hefty pricing.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 21:36
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Many flights operating out of NCL especially TOM/TCX have quite a high load factor of Scottish passengers.

Strange considering how the Scottish come down to us for flights and some of us go up to GLA / EDI for the cheaper flights.

Powers of the school holidays certainly has a play on this.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 21:41
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Originally Posted by NorthEasterner View Post
The sink/hole will be to what I've been advised will be fixed in the next 4-6 weeks.
Ah sweet, ive been told its rather large too!
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 21:50
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Originally Posted by NorthEasterner View Post
Many flights operating out of NCL especially TOM/TCX have quite a high load factor of Scottish passengers.

Strange considering how the Scottish come down to us for flights and some of us go up to GLA / EDI for the cheaper flights.

Powers of the school holidays certainly has a play on this.
TCX don't fly from EDI. I have a relative who used NCL for that reason.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 22:03
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Originally Posted by Beatts View Post
Ah sweet, ive been told its rather large too!
It is, not seen it physically myself but seen photos. Not looking good. Similar thing happened in the long term car park.

Just meant when waiting for EK to come in, it's an extra 15 mins for it to turn round and back track down.

NE
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 22:06
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Originally Posted by inOban View Post
TCX don't fly from EDI. I have a relative who used NCL for that reason.
Not really the point, but yes another factor. One flight in the last few days was around 80-90 % Scottish residents.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 23:40
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Re the sinkhole: I'm really surprised that this hasn't happened more often. That area is riddled with mine workings. Havannah Colliery was just a few yards from the current airfield boundary.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 23:42
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I did bag TFS-NCL with TOM for 60 in May and the flight was full... And the NCL-TFS I took with Ryanair was at least 80% and I paid something like 30


On another note, flew NCL-SXF today, A320, G-EZOK. 135 pax... When I asked "how many passengers on board today" the FA's initial response was "not many today" and he said that the Berlin flights had been selling/filling well, especially at the weekend. Rather disappointing to see that all 6 extra legroom seats in row 1, and 5 of the overwing extra legroom seats were empty... And mine was "free" as I'm an easyjet plus card holder

Nevertheless, for all it was an A320 today for operational reasons, 135 isn't all that bad, especially on the A319 which is scheduled
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 01:21
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Firstly, full and yield are different matters.

Secondly, how do you tell 'full' and '80', my experience is that full jeans 80-90% and 80% means 60-70%.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 10:07
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I am aware of the difference between full and yield, but the TOM flight back was certainly full, there were 4/5 spare seats on the aircraft.

I would know what a 60/70% LF looks like, having flown an EZY A319 with around 100 pax (64%) and an ERJ 135 with about 15 (40%), the aircraft feels much more empty than it is. In the case of the 135 it barely felt like there were any other passengers at all. I'd safely say there were 150+ on the aircraft.

I expect the yields were trashed on the Ryanair flight, but I imagine TOM probably did quite alright. I booked the flights 4 days in advance.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 10:43
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL View Post
I am aware of the difference between full and yield, but the TOM flight back was certainly full, there were 4/5 spare seats on the aircraft.

I would know what a 60/70% LF looks like, having flown an EZY A319 with around 100 pax (64%) and an ERJ 135 with about 15 (40%), the aircraft feels much more empty than it is. In the case of the 135 it barely felt like there were any other passengers at all. I'd safely say there were 150+ on the aircraft.

I expect the yields were trashed on the Ryanair flight, but I imagine TOM probably did quite alright. I booked the flights 4 days in advance.
I think you're struggling with the concept of airline economics here .

TOM are a tour operator, so the flight yields (as you say) are pretty immaterial since the price of the packages have already been sold. Very, very few seats on TOM flights are seat-only. Ancillary revenues on-board the aircraft make up some of the yield, but as i say the vast, vast majority of the yield comes from the holiday package where the purchaser never sees the direct flight cost.

Contrast this to FR who are a scheduled, flight-only operator. Actual ticket cost is the contributory factor of yield in this case with considerable ancillary revenue streams also. There's a vast difference to the TOM case.

I love this old analogy of counting passengers, it actually counts for nothing. What if a FR flight was 189/189 loaded, but each passenger on there only paid 20 ? Vast difference. Only the airlines know how much a flight is making, it's sensitive commercial information. The number of armchair CEO's on this website who claim to know all, particularly what flights are doing 'well' or 'not so well' absolutely baffles me .

And yes if the price you paid was low 4 days in advance (relatively short notice on airline terms), then chances are that flight was 'not so well' as the flight was relatively low down on the pricing structure. FR charge their maximum fares at least 2 days from the actual flight, peaking on the day of the flight to make cash from those who are lastminute.com.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 14:11
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Originally Posted by NorthEasterner View Post
It is, not seen it physically myself but seen photos. Not looking good. Similar thing happened in the long term car park.

Just meant when waiting for EK to come in, it's an extra 15 mins for it to turn round and back track down.

NE
Ah i see! Yeah i noticed like!

Cheers for the information.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 20:09
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AirGuru, don't worry. I do, in fact know what I'm talking about. Hence I said that I expected the outbound Ryanair flight to have trashed yields.

I also understand that very few Thomson passengers are flight only. But on a full flight... Full with package customers. How/why did I get a 60 flight? I'm sure that flight still turned a healthy profit...

I'll not even get started on my 32... Full... Flight from Bristol to Tenerife in March, I spent more money on gin and tonic on board than the price of the flight
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 16:38
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What has happened to the SAS Copenhagen service.....it doesn't seem to be operating or bookable?
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 16:52
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Summer break - back in September.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 18:07
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Leeds KLM

VIDEO: KLM plans to soar passenger numbers at Leeds Bradford Airport - Yorkshire Evening Post
An interesting read from our neighbouring airport.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 18:15
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I expect Mr Rootliep will be doing the rounds and similar stories will appear in many local papers between now and 2019....
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 13:51
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Tomorrow (3rd July) BA's LHR 0820/0900 BA1324/5 service will be operated by Qatar Airways A320 A7-ADB.
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Old 2nd Jul 2017, 14:30
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Looks like the spotters got their wish for a QR aircraft, bet they didn't think it would be a 320
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