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Old 6th Jan 2017, 18:58
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Old 6th Jan 2017, 19:06
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Is the airport actively looking for a replacement for the United service? Norwegian might be interested given they're planning start transatlantic flights to regional airports - EDI/BFS/GLA etc. Can't see American or Delta flying to Newcastle.
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Old 6th Jan 2017, 20:26
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In all honesty I hope Norwegian don't. I'd much rather see someone like Jetblue, with 'Mint' service, IFE in economy, connecting flights and codeshares... A hybrid airline, offering affordable transatlantic flights (not bottom of the barrel, market trashing 60 flights)

Fingers crossed they do get the A321LR and fingers even more crossed that they like the look of what Newcastle has to offer.

By virtue of being a low cost/hybrid airline, business traffic would be limited, so 3/4 weekly flights shouldn't be unattainable
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Old 6th Jan 2017, 20:43
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I think recent events have shown that New York isn't the be all and end all - lets move on.
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Old 6th Jan 2017, 21:08
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I think recent events have shown that New York isn't the be all and end all - lets move on.
Actually, New York is worthy of discussion, so don't be so quick to dismiss and move on! - United charged Premium fares, well above AF/KLM and even BA/AA via their perspective hubs. An operator flying direct competitively with similar fares via hubs would be successful, although I agree current alliance partners are not going to "cannibilise" current trade for direct route, which does open door for LCC direct or other operators such as Icelandair with interesting stopovers! - I'm sure the airport management and route development teams will be looking at what solutuions are best for the Airport while opening up the market for the public.
Other opportunities may be Westjet into Canadian hubs to link into their US connections.
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Old 6th Jan 2017, 21:32
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I thought it was "if at first you don't succeed, try try try again" not "give up and forget you ever thought it might work"

United did well... If the industry nowadays (and especially with the legacies across the pond) wasn't so numbers driven, wanting profits yesterday and they'd given it 2017, maybe even 2018 with an extended schedule... I'm sure it would have grown, and maybe been a success like Emirates
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Old 6th Jan 2017, 21:36
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I can't see JetBlue operating transatlantic services, and even if they did, NCL would be at the bottom of their list. But honestly I'm surprised that NCL doesn't yet have an Iceland connection. WOW fly to 3 UK destinations, and Icelandair fly to 7 - Belfast City and Bristol have even managed to secure flights so NCL is lagging behind.

You make a very good point EK77WNCL; Emirates has been a huge success story for the airport - who would have thought that a regional airport could support daily 773 flights to Dubai. If United had let the EWR route mature instead of setting high profit targets then I think it would have been a success as well.

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Old 7th Jan 2017, 06:04
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"if at first you don't succeed, try try try again"?
How about "Don't chuck good money after bad"?

United did well...
Says who?

Not United, and I think they're the ones who really know.

Not American, who planned flights and then pulled out.

Not the long list of airlines not rushing into the hole left by United

Also, can you really compare the business models of airlines from the USA and EK - they operate in different worlds.

NCL lagging behind? It isn't comparable to BRS, and BHD scrapes in (just) as a DHC8D destination (NCL doesn't), so don't compare apples and oranges again.

NYC demanded a disproportionate amount of effort - any coincidence that RYR turn up in numbers after NYC?
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 09:28
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
How about "Don't chuck good money after bad"?



Says who?

Not United, and I think they're the ones who really know.

Not American, who planned flights and then pulled out.

Not the long list of airlines not rushing into the hole left by United

Also, can you really compare the business models of airlines from the USA and EK - they operate in different worlds.

NCL lagging behind? It isn't comparable to BRS, and BHD scrapes in (just) as a DHC8D destination (NCL doesn't), so don't compare apples and oranges again.

NYC demanded a disproportionate amount of effort - any coincidence that RYR turn up in numbers after NYC?
Regional airports, including bigger ones like BHX (or at least their enthusiast base) are obsessed with direct services to the USA.

In reality it isn't that big a market - 300m or so people, a security system that makes hubbing at a US airport to South American or Canadian destinations horrendous at best; impractical at worst.

If I were NCL management, which I'm glad I'm not, I'd be looking to ensure that Icelandair were in place 2/3 times weekly connecting with their KEF heb, and likewise Aer Lingus at Dublin - then look to Iberia / Iberia Express to open service to Madrid, to connect with their comprehensive South American network.

Emirates are already in place, don't go after a second ME carrier to dilute Emirates business, and instead look for multi daily, or at least business friendly services to link NCL to hubs in FRA and / or MUC.

Then concentrate on the bucket and spade business.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 09:35
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If I were NCL management, which I'm glad I'm not, I'd be looking to ensure that Icelandair were in place 2/3 times weekly connecting with their KEF heb, and likewise Aer Lingus at Dublin - then look to Iberia / Iberia Express to open service to Madrid, to connect with their comprehensive South American network.
A very good point and well said ATNotts, but you're forgetting the spotters on here want to see nice big fat aircraft on the tarmac. I don't think they're bothered about the costs involved. Hand on hearts I think they're hoping for a one off EK380 flight for the 10 year anniversary.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 09:41
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and likewise Aer Lingus at Dublin
Aer Lingus already operate multiple times a day to DUB, as do BA to LHR, KL to AMS, AF to CDG.

RYR are starting to MAD.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 12:04
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RYR are starting to MAD.
But would I use them to connect for an Iberia long-haul to Santiago? - Well probably not!
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 12:06
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But would I use them to connect for an Iberia long-haul to Santiago? - Well probably not!
Well you won't be getting Iberia with RYR around.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 12:13
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No, but it reduces the likelihood of an Iberia/Iberia Express link so like DUB, might not be the best use oF NCL management time.

FRA has been actively pursued for many years, but do we need another hub that far east - many Star Alliance frequent flyers in the NE?
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 12:46
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Well you won't be getting Iberia with RYR around.
BHX managed it, with FR and Norwegian already ensconced - and if you're chasing a more diverse product (business and leisure, connecting as well as point to point) I'd never say never.

But it ain't going to happen if the marketing team's resources are being directed to the sacred cow of direct services to USA!
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 12:53
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With respect, BHX has access to a far bigger market than NCL has in the North East - two occupants on MAD-NCL is unlikely, certainly at a frequency that would be business friendly.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 13:03
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Apples and oranges.

Heathrow has routes to India but that doesn't change a thing for Newcastle.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 13:14
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Very much doubt NCL could support 2 carriers to MAD and RYR would do everything it can to stop the likes of Iberia Express which is only a small airline in reality
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 13:41
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Very much doubt NCL could support 2 carriers to MAD and RYR would do everything it can to stop the likes of Iberia Express which is only a small airline in reality
If you'd asked BHX if they would have 2 carriers, let alone 3, on MAD a few years ago they'd probably have looked at you as though you were daft...but I do agree the two regions are very different.

When you're looking at business traffic connecting through Madrid to South America, frequency probably isn't as as vital; timing - to connect with as many onward flights as possible, with minimum transit time is more important.

Moving on from MAD, I would have thought FRA minimum 2 x daily ought to be top of the wishlist, and I'm surprised that NCL hasn't got that yet - even once daily. If not FRA, then MUC surely.
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Old 7th Jan 2017, 13:50
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Moving on from MAD, I would have thought FRA minimum 2 x daily ought to be top of the wishlist, and I'm surprised that NCL hasn't got that yet - even once daily. If not FRA, then MUC surely.
One of the problems the United New York service had was the lack of Star Alliance frequent flyers, with the regions big spenders tied into the other alliances. Slots is usually quoted as an issue for FRA, but this is probably also an issue.

Anyway, we are pretty well served for hubs if you're going east.
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