BA rocked as 500 top bosses quit
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institutional delusion
what i love about there sites is as soon as anything slightly derogatory in relation to ba raises its horns, the usual suspects arrive.
Spouting the usual ba propaganda you'd likely find in their in house paper. I understand many ba employees call it pravda for its brain washing slant! Now it seems these usual suspects actually believe their own hype that ba is still up there with the best, rather than limping toward their inevitable demise.
I like to call the behaviour institutional delusion. Supported by institutional ostrich syndrome.
Watch the programme and decide.
Spouting the usual ba propaganda you'd likely find in their in house paper. I understand many ba employees call it pravda for its brain washing slant! Now it seems these usual suspects actually believe their own hype that ba is still up there with the best, rather than limping toward their inevitable demise.
I like to call the behaviour institutional delusion. Supported by institutional ostrich syndrome.
Watch the programme and decide.
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And what I love is that certain people who occasionally post on PPrune have such an irrational hatred of BA that no matter how many times their arguments are demolished by facts they still cling to them. In fact they'll cling to any conspiracy theory, uncorroborated claim or flight of fancy they can simply because they've nothing else to support them. Then when they can't support their claims any more they start insulting people. It seems that you are finding the going here rather tougher than you planned.
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This is very disappointing and I am beginning to think that Blueray is correct.
The programme hasn't even been broadcast yet so we don't even know if its bull or genuine.
IATA confirm however that BA is the worst for baggage. So far from where I am sitting the programme trailer at least seems pretty factual.
Can't we wait, watch and then debate.........please
The programme hasn't even been broadcast yet so we don't even know if its bull or genuine.
IATA confirm however that BA is the worst for baggage. So far from where I am sitting the programme trailer at least seems pretty factual.
Can't we wait, watch and then debate.........please
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Carnage,What I find really funny is the following;Taking The Drama Out Of A Crisis Conference - PR Week - Taking the drama out of a crisis conference a crisis hits, it is vital to ensure that your communications team are prepared to deal with it as effectively, and efficiently, as possibleSpeaker 3. BA on the Boeing 777 crash landing. Amazingly bullish that they think they can give advice on the subject now! Especially when that crisis is not yet over.The aim of the event:Gain the 360 degree view from brands, journalists and PR experts and equip your organisation with the relevant steps to make today’s crisis, yesterday’s newsYesterday's news! I had to laugh at that....
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You do seem rather up to speed on the latest developments in the world of PR conferences. Perhaps thats your area of specialisation? Would certainly explain your clumsy attempts to plug a tired old documentary which is certain to disappoint. Never mind, now this thread has been retired to the graveyard forum it'll wither and die.
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I hope the only thing being retired to the graveyard has been Carnage Matey and his childish posts. A little more about what's in the despatches programme in the early morning papers. Citing amongst things maintenance safety problems at BA. Well with two inflight 777 cabin IFE/FIRE incidents in just 1 week I'd say despatches are hitting the nail squarely on the head. THis thread might be in a slow area of Prune but i think after tomorrow when the programme has aired, it might become a little more high profile. see for yourself at British Airways is under fire for having one of the worst records for cancelling flights | Mail Online
I'll nail my colours to the mast straight away: I too work for BA but have no love nor loyalty to the company. I am also a former aircraft engineer with nearly 20 years experience and I have to say that I have been pretty impressed with BA Engineering in the 3 years I've been with the company.
Now if you want to extrapolate gross assumptions from a small and dubious sample of IFE problems then that's up to you but perhaps you'd grant that we wouldn't go to work day in, day out if we thought there were any genuine problems with BA's engineering.
BA has lots of faults, granted, but there's no need to invent problems where none exist. Lost bags may be a problem but that is not solely the remit of BA.
The truth, however, makes for boring television.
Now if you want to extrapolate gross assumptions from a small and dubious sample of IFE problems then that's up to you but perhaps you'd grant that we wouldn't go to work day in, day out if we thought there were any genuine problems with BA's engineering.
BA has lots of faults, granted, but there's no need to invent problems where none exist. Lost bags may be a problem but that is not solely the remit of BA.
The truth, however, makes for boring television.
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If you are one of the largest airlines serving 630 destinations plus then it might not be a total surprise that they might be the one that cancels more flights than many smaller airlines. Likewise with millions of pax they may seem to lose many bags. I would be loath to put too much store in any Dispatches programme or anything the Mail says about anything.
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Hamsted fist, you must be easily impressed. I don't know about BA engineering, though just checked out the website for BA engineering and thought it was very amateur in comparisom to Lufthansa Technic for example.. see for yourself at http://www.britishairways.com/travel...ublic/en_gbTHe thing is, I haven't seen the programme, nor have you. Lets wait till after and discuss further. I know you'll be watching.
Easily impressed? If you say so! I won't be parading my credentials here but you're missing the point. Do you really judge BA's engineering by their website? Do you think any BA engineers would have been involved with website design? Feel free to look back at my posts at you'll see I've been on here as long as most and there seems to be a small but steady stream of people out to knock BA whether the company deserves it or not. BA has enough real faults without inventing imaginary ones!
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Ok, but what I'm trying ot illustrate, that even the window to the world of BA engineering is hardly professional. Look at the Lufthansa site, very professional and reflects well on them. I don;t think their engineers designed that either. If this programme delivers as promised two of your own engineering employees stating the truth, it'll be powerful stuff. I'm very much looking forward to watching it, early signs are promising. Certainly the high interest this thread has been receiving from the BA Public relations dept in the guise of Carnage Matey! is a strong indication (he's actually admitted so)
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Now its getting interesting. First of all BA are fine and brilliant but slowly and surely the truth? emerges.
BA is a big airline but by no means the biggest, yet it loses more bags
and cancels more flights:::FACT.
This programme could well be worth watching but Blueray I suspect you are from channel 4 and not a pilot.
BA has enough real faults without inventing imaginary ones!
and cancels more flights:::FACT.
This programme could well be worth watching but Blueray I suspect you are from channel 4 and not a pilot.
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As a virgin poster here and having had a couple of posts criticizing BA deleted by the moderator, I have followed this debate from the side lines. What strikes me however is the way that those posting here in support of BA, dismiss any views or thoughts that differ from their own vision of BA. Are they the postings of individuals who rightly or wrongly do believe BA is the mutts nuts or are they the postings of employees in the BA propaganda department.
Blueray,
All your posts on this board are anti-BA. Now you clearly have a personal issue with the company which is clouding your judgement. Feel free to rely on journalists for your information but don't expect to be taken seriously as a result.
All your posts on this board are anti-BA. Now you clearly have a personal issue with the company which is clouding your judgement. Feel free to rely on journalists for your information but don't expect to be taken seriously as a result.
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Yamaha, I can assure you I am nothing even remotely to do with Channel 4. I am interested about the happenings at British Airways, there are so many lessons to be learn't about how not to run a business. You are correct I am not a pilot, nor a wannabe.
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Blimey thats proper Channel 4 spin for you! I've admitted to being part of BAs PR department have I? Thats news to me. Even a cursory glance through my history would reveal your comments as delusionary. Along with your idea that a small, ancillary part of a corporate sales engine (which is what ba.com is) somehow bears any relation to engineering standards. It's also telling how you seem to have so much advance knowledge of the programs content, given that the all the trailers and press releases have merely discussed the lost baggage and cancelled flights with no mention of engineers. It won't be powerful stuff, no matter how much you personally want it to be. It'll be a sorry litany of second hand rumours, possibly some dubious tales of historical minor infractions, some surreptitious video shot with a shaky camera to add an element of suspense and some rehashed old figures from months ago. That's all. It won't even make the papers on Tuesday.
Oh I'm sure the Hate Mail will manage to find a few column inches but I don't imagine we'll see anything in the newspapers.
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God even i cant wait to see the programme now !!Unfortunately i dont think it will be broadcast in New Zealand -guess from reading your comments afterwards i wont need to have watched it anyway.
Love the pro /anti BA comments though guys.
Would just like to add that from a down under point of view BA is no longer viewed as the worlds favourite airline here.Its links with Qantas in One world is doing itself no favours.
Both Airlines have sufferered this year with accidents / maintenance issues.
Bad Luck-Maybe or is there more to it???.
Even the Aussies make fun of their new Government advertising campaign to visit the country.More along the lines of " If you manage to survive the Flight here youll love it".
Sums it up really
Enjoy the programme
