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I too do not get this facination with regards to BA at MAN. They are gone!! If BA going means that the other carriers are put in a better situation, then that has to be good. BA may have promised MAN things in the past, but this is today. Would I like to see US pull my option of BDL-PHL-MAN, or DL via JFK/ATL or CO via EWR, hell no, let BA go, it is not as if they are a growing carrier, or shown any commitment to MAN for a long time.
Those die hard fans of BA who can afford to loose luggage should still have the option of LHR, and all its wonderous pleasures!!!
Now MAN needs to move on, ensure the success of the carriers it has, and forget history otherwise it may repeat itself!!
Those die hard fans of BA who can afford to loose luggage should still have the option of LHR, and all its wonderous pleasures!!!
Now MAN needs to move on, ensure the success of the carriers it has, and forget history otherwise it may repeat itself!!
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egcc - (I see what you did there.........)
Turn all the equipment off
take off your clogs
loosen your flat-cap
turn your spotlight off
and lay down on a bed in the dark
for at least the rest of the evening!
When you wake-up you WILL feel better.
MM
Turn all the equipment off
take off your clogs
loosen your flat-cap
turn your spotlight off
and lay down on a bed in the dark
for at least the rest of the evening!
When you wake-up you WILL feel better.
MM
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Does anyone know how the new platform at The Station is coming along? Are they still on track to complete it by December?
Also, when is the work on the taxiway next to Pier B going to be complete? It seems to be going on for ages!
Also, when is the work on the taxiway next to Pier B going to be complete? It seems to be going on for ages!
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October Pax
Talk about hitting the buffers and going off the rails or definitely not full
steam ahead, probably more "cuttings" to come and a signal that things are tough: -
From another site quoting Manchester Airport
"Pax - 1,825,157 down 9.80%
Movements - 17,552 down 12.27%
Freight - 11,980 tonnes down 26.62%"
End of quote
Pete
steam ahead, probably more "cuttings" to come and a signal that things are tough: -
From another site quoting Manchester Airport
"Pax - 1,825,157 down 9.80%
Movements - 17,552 down 12.27%
Freight - 11,980 tonnes down 26.62%"
End of quote
Pete
I too do not get this facination with regards to BA at MAN.
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Pax - 1,825,157 down 9.80%
Movements - 17,552 down 12.27%
Freight - 11,980 tonnes down 26.62%
Movements - 17,552 down 12.27%
Freight - 11,980 tonnes down 26.62%
We are all aware that times are very tough economically presently, but MAN seems to be being hit particularly hard at the moment. Dare I even mention that there could be more bad news tomorrow
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Those figures are terrible, but XL will have had an effect on them aswell.
Hopefully the new FR services will counteract them in the November figures.
I am afraid I think the days of passenger growth at MAN are over.
Hopefully the new FR services will counteract them in the November figures.
I am afraid I think the days of passenger growth at MAN are over.
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Manchester October Traffic
Full details on airport website here :-
http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...ile/Oct+08.pdf
Basically 200,000 less pax than Oct 07 (6,400 less per day) on 2,500 less flights (81 less per day)
I am sure other airports will be poor also !
BHX5DME
http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/m...ile/Oct+08.pdf
Basically 200,000 less pax than Oct 07 (6,400 less per day) on 2,500 less flights (81 less per day)
I am sure other airports will be poor also !
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well, with bmi fcuking off to seal their doom at theifrow, what are the chances of UA comming in to regain their lost pax, or AA upgrading to accomodate more pax.
Maybe someone new?
if the rumours of AA downgrading to a B757 are true, we will have roughly a 67% decrease in capacity next year, compared to summer 08
Maybe someone new?
if the rumours of AA downgrading to a B757 are true, we will have roughly a 67% decrease in capacity next year, compared to summer 08
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As someone from Fortress LHR / Waterside a couple of points. I was working at MAN for a few days last month and at various times of the day I was depressed at the lack of aircraft visible at any given time. The airport like LHR & LGW is far quieter than it was a couple of years ago.
As for BA pulling out all together it is oft spoken about here, the saving grace if that was the manner you viewed it, is that BA have nowhere else to go to at the present. If your flights could be subbed for longhaul 777 operated slots, we would leave you and the Scotish tomorrow but with the present loads and lack of fruitful destinations it will not happen. I saw on another thread yesterday that BA may return to SA next year, that would seem a positive move with revenue assured but not great. I do not know how BMI get on there but when we pulled out years ago there were lots of problems and issues which the Saudi's refuse / decline to address, I cannot imagine much has changed.
As for BA pulling out all together it is oft spoken about here, the saving grace if that was the manner you viewed it, is that BA have nowhere else to go to at the present. If your flights could be subbed for longhaul 777 operated slots, we would leave you and the Scotish tomorrow but with the present loads and lack of fruitful destinations it will not happen. I saw on another thread yesterday that BA may return to SA next year, that would seem a positive move with revenue assured but not great. I do not know how BMI get on there but when we pulled out years ago there were lots of problems and issues which the Saudi's refuse / decline to address, I cannot imagine much has changed.
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If your flights could be subbed for longhaul 777 operated slots, we would leave you and the Scotish tomorrow
what are the chances of UA comming in to regain their lost pax,
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As far as bmi leaving goes, let us not forget that bmi employs their own staff at MAN. There are a lot of good people there that will quickly find themselves out of a job really soon and that is just terrible. SUre, a handling agent (most likely Aviance) will pick up the BD contract, but with the loss of long haul (and I would assume their lounge in T3), there will not be a requirement for so many staff to TUPE over to whomever gets the contract. Further complicate that with the rumored sales of bot bmi Regional and bmiBaby, and that is even FURTHER job losses. I can see BD at MAN becoming nothing more than LHR shuttles.
It is a shame really because I think that BD could have really set up a good hub and spoke operation out of MAN had they chose to do so. Yes I know that yeilds are not the same at MAN as they are at Fortress Heathrow (or DEATHrow as I prefer to think of that dump), but MAN certainly has a catchment area large enough to support an airline the size of bmi. Further that with the general dislike of anything London by anyone north of the Watford Gap, and I honestly feel that bmi has really blown it here.
So what happens to BD now? Just purely speculation here but I see BD Regional being gobbled up by flyBe and Baby either going to EasyJet or being swallowed up by the likes of Monarch or Thomas Cook. Chuck in the LH deal and interest by the great Bearded One, and I see those remaining aircraft being repainted very soon.
It is a shame really because I think that BD could have really set up a good hub and spoke operation out of MAN had they chose to do so. Yes I know that yeilds are not the same at MAN as they are at Fortress Heathrow (or DEATHrow as I prefer to think of that dump), but MAN certainly has a catchment area large enough to support an airline the size of bmi. Further that with the general dislike of anything London by anyone north of the Watford Gap, and I honestly feel that bmi has really blown it here.
So what happens to BD now? Just purely speculation here but I see BD Regional being gobbled up by flyBe and Baby either going to EasyJet or being swallowed up by the likes of Monarch or Thomas Cook. Chuck in the LH deal and interest by the great Bearded One, and I see those remaining aircraft being repainted very soon.
Well here it is then.................From the BMI site
Changes to bmi operations at Manchester
Following a review of long haul flying out of London Heathrow and Manchester, the following changes are being made:
From January 2009, our Heathrow-Riyadh service becomes six times a week on an A330, with three services continuing onward to Jeddah and three services continuing onward to Dammam
From Spring 2009, our Heathrow-Cairo and Heathrow-Amman services will be upgraded to A330 aircraft bringing our fully-flat bed Business Class and the biggest Premium Economy in the world (at 50” seat pitch) to our Heathrow hub
On 14 January 2009, unfortunately our Manchester-Chicago service will end
In April 2009, unfortunately our Manchester-Caribbean and Manchester-Las Vegas services will end
The decision to withdraw long haul services from Manchester was a very tough one, since we have operated these routes since 2001. However, sadly, the routes have never performed to the revenue levels we hoped to achieve, which combined with 2008 fuel price increases means we still see little prospect of improvement. In sharp contrast, our Middle Eastern long haul routes from Heathrow are performing exceptionally well and have lots of potential for growth in customer numbers and revenues, especially in the new premium cabins.
So time to take those 65 direct flights a week signs down now..and replace with about 45.................
Changes to bmi operations at Manchester
Following a review of long haul flying out of London Heathrow and Manchester, the following changes are being made:
From January 2009, our Heathrow-Riyadh service becomes six times a week on an A330, with three services continuing onward to Jeddah and three services continuing onward to Dammam
From Spring 2009, our Heathrow-Cairo and Heathrow-Amman services will be upgraded to A330 aircraft bringing our fully-flat bed Business Class and the biggest Premium Economy in the world (at 50” seat pitch) to our Heathrow hub
On 14 January 2009, unfortunately our Manchester-Chicago service will end
In April 2009, unfortunately our Manchester-Caribbean and Manchester-Las Vegas services will end
The decision to withdraw long haul services from Manchester was a very tough one, since we have operated these routes since 2001. However, sadly, the routes have never performed to the revenue levels we hoped to achieve, which combined with 2008 fuel price increases means we still see little prospect of improvement. In sharp contrast, our Middle Eastern long haul routes from Heathrow are performing exceptionally well and have lots of potential for growth in customer numbers and revenues, especially in the new premium cabins.
So time to take those 65 direct flights a week signs down now..and replace with about 45.................
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Press Reaction to BD Announcement
Airline pulls flights
5/11/2008
A MAJOR airline is pulling all its transatlantic flights from Manchester Airport and cutting around 140 jobs.
Bmi, which is Britain's second biggest carrier, will stop its services to Chicago, Las Vegas and the Caribbean from January and April next year respectively.
The news comes as a blow to the airport just a week after the final British Airways transatlantic flight to New York took off. In a letter to staff, bmi chief executive Nigel Turner said Manchester 'cannot deliver the levels of premium business that are available from the London market'.
He said passengers flying from Manchester were 'buying purely on price' leading to disappointing revenues for the airline's 'best-in-class product'.
The two Airbus A330 planes which are used on the routes will now operate on flights to Cairo and Amman from Heathrow. Mr Turner said: "To meet the clear demand for existing and future growth from London, we will transfer our two Manchester-based Airbus A330 wide-bodied aircraft to London, Heathrow. Consequently services from Manchester to Chicago will terminate on January 14, and services to Las Vegas, Barbados and Antigua will terminate after Easter 2009.
Job cuts
"We have been operating long haul services from Manchester since 2001, primarily as a result of our inability at that time to serve the USA from our main base at Heathrow.
"However, long haul services from Manchester has never performed to the levels that we had hoped and we see little prospect of change or improvements in their performance."
Up to 140 Manchester Airport-based jobs will be cut, mostly cabin crew, onboard chefs, supervisors and cabin service managers, as well as ground crew. Many will be offered positions at Heathrow.
Staff are being informed today, with managers flying to its US bases to explain the decision. German airline Lufthansa took control of bmi (formerly British Midland) last week, adding to its 30 per cent stake by buying bmi chairman Sir Michael Bishop's 50 per cent stake in the airline for around £318 million.
Bmi has 4,300 employees and last year had a turnover of £1,023m. The long haul services from Manchester began in 2001. They operate daily to Chicago, three times a week to Las Vegas, twice a week to Barbados and once a week to Antigua.
A spokesman from Manchester Airports Group, said: "We are obviously disappointed with the news from bmi but as we are all aware, the aviation market is shrinking as a result of the global economic climate and Manchester Airport is not immune.
Anticipated
"We fully anticipated today's announcement. We do, however, need to put this in context. The destinations affected by bmi's decision are already served by other airlines at Manchester Airport so passengers wanting to travel to those are still able to do so with the exception of Antigua, that is a once-a-week additional leg on from Barbados.
"Manchester Airport still serves 52 long-haul destinations and 218 destinations worldwide. We've also had some good news this week with the arrival of a new airline, Air Sylhet, at Manchester Airport, operating services to Dubai and an additional four new destinations in India through Brussels Airlines."
The final BA Manchester to New York flight took off on October 25. It was the firm's last remaining direct international service from an airport outside London. The only flights BA now offers from regional British airports are shuttle services to Heathrow and Gatwick. A BA spokesman said the 44-year-old service to JFK Airport had been axed due to falling passenger numbers as a result of increased competition from other transatlantic carriers. US airlines Delta and Continental still operate transatlantic services from Manchester.
5/11/2008
A MAJOR airline is pulling all its transatlantic flights from Manchester Airport and cutting around 140 jobs.
Bmi, which is Britain's second biggest carrier, will stop its services to Chicago, Las Vegas and the Caribbean from January and April next year respectively.
The news comes as a blow to the airport just a week after the final British Airways transatlantic flight to New York took off. In a letter to staff, bmi chief executive Nigel Turner said Manchester 'cannot deliver the levels of premium business that are available from the London market'.
He said passengers flying from Manchester were 'buying purely on price' leading to disappointing revenues for the airline's 'best-in-class product'.
The two Airbus A330 planes which are used on the routes will now operate on flights to Cairo and Amman from Heathrow. Mr Turner said: "To meet the clear demand for existing and future growth from London, we will transfer our two Manchester-based Airbus A330 wide-bodied aircraft to London, Heathrow. Consequently services from Manchester to Chicago will terminate on January 14, and services to Las Vegas, Barbados and Antigua will terminate after Easter 2009.
Job cuts
"We have been operating long haul services from Manchester since 2001, primarily as a result of our inability at that time to serve the USA from our main base at Heathrow.
"However, long haul services from Manchester has never performed to the levels that we had hoped and we see little prospect of change or improvements in their performance."
Up to 140 Manchester Airport-based jobs will be cut, mostly cabin crew, onboard chefs, supervisors and cabin service managers, as well as ground crew. Many will be offered positions at Heathrow.
Staff are being informed today, with managers flying to its US bases to explain the decision. German airline Lufthansa took control of bmi (formerly British Midland) last week, adding to its 30 per cent stake by buying bmi chairman Sir Michael Bishop's 50 per cent stake in the airline for around £318 million.
Bmi has 4,300 employees and last year had a turnover of £1,023m. The long haul services from Manchester began in 2001. They operate daily to Chicago, three times a week to Las Vegas, twice a week to Barbados and once a week to Antigua.
A spokesman from Manchester Airports Group, said: "We are obviously disappointed with the news from bmi but as we are all aware, the aviation market is shrinking as a result of the global economic climate and Manchester Airport is not immune.
Anticipated
"We fully anticipated today's announcement. We do, however, need to put this in context. The destinations affected by bmi's decision are already served by other airlines at Manchester Airport so passengers wanting to travel to those are still able to do so with the exception of Antigua, that is a once-a-week additional leg on from Barbados.
"Manchester Airport still serves 52 long-haul destinations and 218 destinations worldwide. We've also had some good news this week with the arrival of a new airline, Air Sylhet, at Manchester Airport, operating services to Dubai and an additional four new destinations in India through Brussels Airlines."
The final BA Manchester to New York flight took off on October 25. It was the firm's last remaining direct international service from an airport outside London. The only flights BA now offers from regional British airports are shuttle services to Heathrow and Gatwick. A BA spokesman said the 44-year-old service to JFK Airport had been axed due to falling passenger numbers as a result of increased competition from other transatlantic carriers. US airlines Delta and Continental still operate transatlantic services from Manchester.