Ryanair - 'Laying Off' 600!!
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Errr.....
Would it not be a good idee for Ryanair to cash in on a lot of there owned planes and scale down to only fly the most profitable routes?
Suggest you return to the vegetable patch and bury your head! Jeez hehe!
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It wouldnt surprise me if the thread was started by management...scaremonger the employees to accept a new deal.maybe i've been subject to colleagues paranoia for too long.
Just a point that seems to have been overlooked by all but a few. The possibility of job losses is unlikely. the company will have contractors not flying(flying very little) for 3 months.that i can see for sure.
Just a point that seems to have been overlooked by all but a few. The possibility of job losses is unlikely. the company will have contractors not flying(flying very little) for 3 months.that i can see for sure.
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Just which base is it you refer to Swede?
Are 32 destinations from Birmingham possible with just one aircraft?
Would you please do a minimum of research before you write garbage, as so many others do, write garbage I mean.
Are 32 destinations from Birmingham possible with just one aircraft?
Would you please do a minimum of research before you write garbage, as so many others do, write garbage I mean.
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With an annual limit of 900 hours its common sense to follow what the charter guys have simply done for years. Fly to the max in the higher revenue summer months and scale back the operation during the winter when revenues are lower.
Nothing new here.
Where does the rule book of running an airline state you should have the same frequency to all destinations year round. Increase winter sport based and maintain city destinations whilst reducung regional French destinations.....
Nothing new here.
Where does the rule book of running an airline state you should have the same frequency to all destinations year round. Increase winter sport based and maintain city destinations whilst reducung regional French destinations.....
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I think it unlikely that 600 pilots would be laid off.
However, Ryanair are unhedged (it's for gardeners according to O'Leary) and the oil price is stubbornly high. This winter will be bad for everyone, but for those unhedged, if the oil price stays high, it will be AWFUL.
You can't buck a fact, but you can buck a trend. This hiigh oil price is a FACT, it's here to stay at higher levels than we are used to.
The trick is for FR to find a way of keeping us flying. And with us all feeling the pinch, that could be tough.
However, Ryanair are unhedged (it's for gardeners according to O'Leary) and the oil price is stubbornly high. This winter will be bad for everyone, but for those unhedged, if the oil price stays high, it will be AWFUL.
You can't buck a fact, but you can buck a trend. This hiigh oil price is a FACT, it's here to stay at higher levels than we are used to.
The trick is for FR to find a way of keeping us flying. And with us all feeling the pinch, that could be tough.
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If you buy a new 738, post 9/11 for 50% of "RRP", for arguments sake, and the market value for a old 738 collapses to 50% of "RRP", you're hardly out of pocket are you?
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Problems at RYR !
I have not had the time to read the whole of this thread but from the inside it is obvious that you worry too much on our account. I wish I had time to fully indulge in rumour websites but we are all to busy here driving full loads round Europe (in our worthless 738s). The biggest 'Problems at RYR' are high ZFWs and getting the SLF off and on in 25 minutes.
Thanx for your concern though!
BD
Thanx for your concern though!
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Any business needs "added value" to pay wages etc, and even loss making routes etc are added value, most businesses need this, but sooner or later if you fill up your business with loss making added value you are going to find it tough, this is why it doesn't matter diddly squat whether your planes are full or not, if the returns aren't there (I'm not saying they're not - yet) then times are going to be tough, this sentiment is true for any business / airline.
Good luck
Any business needs "added value" to pay wages etc, and even loss making routes etc are added value, most businesses need this, but sooner or later if you fill up your business with loss making added value you are going to find it tough, this is why it doesn't matter diddly squat whether your planes are full or not, if the returns aren't there (I'm not saying they're not - yet) then times are going to be tough, this sentiment is true for any business / airline.
Good luck
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Not at all for sure there....... History shows the contractors have been flying good hours in the past and I think that may continue in the future. Most companies would choose to fly their full time guys hardest as they do not become so expensive as they fly more. FR don't (for some reason) seem to worry about that and actually do the reverse! Go figure 
Just a point that seems to have been overlooked by all but a few. The possibility of job losses is unlikely. the company will have contractors not flying(flying very little) for 3 months.that i can see for sure.
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The TRUE cost of directly -employed labour is approximately DOUBLE the wage!
Holiday-pay, sickness-pay, recruitment and HR personnel. Health and Safety wallahs, (not to mention the protective gear/signs/systems,to save Darwin candidates from their own stupidity) Plus the admin and pen-pushers to make it all happen.
Maternity/paternity leave........someone pays,-It's the PUNTER! Yes, the SLF pays all this on their ticket-price.
How come Tesco and their ilk can make profits to cover fancy developments,car-parking, etc. whilst the small corner-store goes bust????
VOLUME! Ryanair is the " Aldi" or" Lidl " of the airline-business.
Absoloutely basic, no-frills,COMMODITY service....they flog transport to the punter,at rock-bottom....punters wanting something better can go to Easy/Flybe or the like. Those who hope for a quality -product,go for the "M&S" service of BA...(unfortunately, they haven't found a Stuart Rose to drag them out of the crap....fancy packaging stripped away reveals a product little different to RYR,at magnitudes dearer.
Love him or hate him, MOL has targeted the "pile high,sell cheap" market.
His cattle-trucks are modern, clean,prompt and reliable,but most importantly.
AFFORDABLE TO THE PUNTER...I used them last year, without that low price transport,I wouldn't have considered my first foreign holiday.
Package tours are a different animal altogether.
I predict that Ryanair will continue to thrive....they're lean,productive and supply a product that's chosen by a huge sector.
The Elitists should pull their head out of the sand....the world has moved on and the "Orient-Eexpess" era has gone,for good.
Sorry for the thread-drift...I understand the pain,but see the reality.
Holiday-pay, sickness-pay, recruitment and HR personnel. Health and Safety wallahs, (not to mention the protective gear/signs/systems,to save Darwin candidates from their own stupidity) Plus the admin and pen-pushers to make it all happen.
Maternity/paternity leave........someone pays,-It's the PUNTER! Yes, the SLF pays all this on their ticket-price.
How come Tesco and their ilk can make profits to cover fancy developments,car-parking, etc. whilst the small corner-store goes bust????
VOLUME! Ryanair is the " Aldi" or" Lidl " of the airline-business.
Absoloutely basic, no-frills,COMMODITY service....they flog transport to the punter,at rock-bottom....punters wanting something better can go to Easy/Flybe or the like. Those who hope for a quality -product,go for the "M&S" service of BA...(unfortunately, they haven't found a Stuart Rose to drag them out of the crap....fancy packaging stripped away reveals a product little different to RYR,at magnitudes dearer.
Love him or hate him, MOL has targeted the "pile high,sell cheap" market.
His cattle-trucks are modern, clean,prompt and reliable,but most importantly.
AFFORDABLE TO THE PUNTER...I used them last year, without that low price transport,I wouldn't have considered my first foreign holiday.
Package tours are a different animal altogether.
I predict that Ryanair will continue to thrive....they're lean,productive and supply a product that's chosen by a huge sector.
The Elitists should pull their head out of the sand....the world has moved on and the "Orient-Eexpess" era has gone,for good.
Sorry for the thread-drift...I understand the pain,but see the reality.
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How come Tesco and their ilk can make profits to cover fancy developments,car-parking, etc. whilst the small corner-store goes bust????
VOLUME! Ryanair is the " Aldi" or" Lidl " of the airline-business.
VOLUME! Ryanair is the " Aldi" or" Lidl " of the airline-business.
Ryanair operates efficiently at all levels - being large per se does not particularly deliver the profit margin except to the extent of scale marketing and the website; Tesco utilises mass savings on fuel, transportation, purchasing etc to deliver higher margins than the corner shop - something it could only do with size.
The Elitists should pull their head out of the sand....the world has moved on and the "Orient-Eexpess" era has gone,for good.
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"History has shown....." diddly squat....There was internal politics behind some of those decisions to fly contractors before employees, much of which was signed away with the new contract. ASk yourself how many contractors received their full month A/L in months other than NOV,JAN or FEB. I havent come across a single one yet.Contractors Will be flying less this winter period.
"History has shown....." diddly squat....There was internal politics behind some of those decisions to fly contractors before employees, much of which was signed away with the new contract. ASk yourself how many contractors received their full month A/L in months other than NOV,JAN or FEB. I havent come across a single one yet.Contractors Will be flying less this winter period.
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Politics? There will always be politics - no escaping it! They have been flying contractors hard since 2001 and probably long before that so what's about to change?
Leave??? And the bearing of that on who flies the 900 per annum is what exactly?
Lets come back to this one mid winter and see who was right........
Leave??? And the bearing of that on who flies the 900 per annum is what exactly?
Lets come back to this one mid winter and see who was right........
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Lima Golf:
135euros x 900hrs = +/- 120,000euros. No extras and no pay if your are sick or don't fly for any reason.
Advertised RYR captains salary upto 140.000euros. + many fringe benefits PLUS RYR has to pay certain goverment contributions. The total package will cost well above 180,000euros. Thus BRK are cheaper.
Come to think of it if RYR lay off F/O's on unpaid leave, but still continue to recruit newbees, they save again because of the very low pay to newbees during line training.
Question: If RYR are to ground 20 a/c why are they still training newbees? Is it becasue they have contracts with outside TRTO's and it doesn't cost them anything if they delay their joining date?
135euros x 900hrs = +/- 120,000euros. No extras and no pay if your are sick or don't fly for any reason.
Advertised RYR captains salary upto 140.000euros. + many fringe benefits PLUS RYR has to pay certain goverment contributions. The total package will cost well above 180,000euros. Thus BRK are cheaper.
Come to think of it if RYR lay off F/O's on unpaid leave, but still continue to recruit newbees, they save again because of the very low pay to newbees during line training.
Question: If RYR are to ground 20 a/c why are they still training newbees? Is it becasue they have contracts with outside TRTO's and it doesn't cost them anything if they delay their joining date?
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the pay scheme to new cadet FO's changed recently.
release of safety pilot to line check - EU60 less EU15 (line training charge)
<500hrs EU60
>500hrs EU80
>1500 EU85
All above are per scheduled block hour and is assuming your based. Your charged EU4.5 per scheduled block hour on all rates for recurrent training but this is claimed back. I'm unsure if the EU15 can be claimed.
release of safety pilot to line check - EU60 less EU15 (line training charge)
<500hrs EU60
>500hrs EU80
>1500 EU85
All above are per scheduled block hour and is assuming your based. Your charged EU4.5 per scheduled block hour on all rates for recurrent training but this is claimed back. I'm unsure if the EU15 can be claimed.