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A widebody being used for a 1 hour flight on a domestic route says to me that there's room for another airline to enter the market, and that it won't be left to BA + U2 for too long.
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As we're talking about a domestic route all A321s have a capacity of 188 -your not likely to see them use the club europe space savers on this route.
Cant see another carrier entering the fold. Who would you suggest ?
Cant see another carrier entering the fold. Who would you suggest ?
CabinCrewe - the only airlines I can think of (and I admit I'm struggling with credibility here), are Ryanair doing a STN-GLA run (rather than PIK), Flybe doing something from LGW or a Lufthansa group carrier taking some of the connection market by opening a route to FRA
The point I'm trying to make, is that if it's become worthwhile to put a widebody on a route where frequency is important, then there's probably rather more demand for transport than is currently being supplied. The train in comparison just isn't fast enough to be a credible competitor. When a market becomes too juicy, economics says that someone else licks their lips and says "I'll have some of that"
The point I'm trying to make, is that if it's become worthwhile to put a widebody on a route where frequency is important, then there's probably rather more demand for transport than is currently being supplied. The train in comparison just isn't fast enough to be a credible competitor. When a market becomes too juicy, economics says that someone else licks their lips and says "I'll have some of that"
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The market in question is the Heathrow market sepcifically and no one else is going to enter that market against BA, BMI were losing hand over fist and domestic flights suffer from APD hurting badly, any new entrant would be looking and substantial losses for a while before they got established.
Also they would be connnecting to nothing at the London end so BA would still beat them on that. London-Glasgow is still pretty competitive though :
BA GLA-LHR
BA & EZY GLA-LGW
BA GLA-LCY
EZY GLA-STN
Can we have Air UK back please?
Also they would be connnecting to nothing at the London end so BA would still beat them on that. London-Glasgow is still pretty competitive though :
BA GLA-LHR
BA & EZY GLA-LGW
BA GLA-LCY
EZY GLA-STN
Can we have Air UK back please?
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Kittiewake: All you say sounds reasonable except the pax hating the emb. Did you know that they actually provide 2" more seat pitch than the bus? It's only downfall is the "valet service".
Also as far as killing a route, how do explain the Hanover? The word is that it's one of the best performing routes on the network, very high yields. Didn't work for a long time on a bus.
Also as far as killing a route, how do explain the Hanover? The word is that it's one of the best performing routes on the network, very high yields. Didn't work for a long time on a bus.
The reason the LHR-HAJ route earns very good revenues is pretty easy to figure out, we have no competitors on the route even though it has reasonable business traffic and we can pretty much charge what we want as it's too thin for anybody else to take on, and if you've ever spoken to your average HAJ passenger then you'd realise they're pretty unhappy with the EMB. I not deliberately EMB bashing here, they have their place, however operating from LHR with these beasts is commercial suicide.
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I read somewhere the emb had 32" pitch throughout the cabin. Doesnt really matter, they probably are there to stay for a while yet.
If it isn't full though and it makes money, doesn't that mean it is the right plane for the job regardless of pax thoughts. I'm sure most people taking a taxi would prefer a limo.
Regards to the rest, you obviously have more experience than me so you must be right. I like the emb though, except for the valet thing.
If it isn't full though and it makes money, doesn't that mean it is the right plane for the job regardless of pax thoughts. I'm sure most people taking a taxi would prefer a limo.
Regards to the rest, you obviously have more experience than me so you must be right. I like the emb though, except for the valet thing.
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What ever the merits or otherwise of the ERJ its a waste of a slot at LHR, bmi are using these because they would loose even more money if the bus was on the route, just look at the new routes they have started these past few months!, if they could fit them with drop tanks they'd probably send them to India!!
They should only use them when there is no choice on a route from another airline ie HAJ
They should only use them when there is no choice on a route from another airline ie HAJ
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If it isn't full though and it makes money, doesn't that mean it is the right plane for the job regardless of pax thoughts. I'm sure most people taking a taxi would prefer a limo.
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With GLA culled, and reductions on MAN and EDI, can I surmise that BHD is reasonably successful, or at least not as loss making as the other domestics??
With the only other competition into LHR being EI thrice daily this winter and next summer, bmi must be in a fairly strong position in Belfast. Unlike GLA, EDI and MAN, Belfast does not have high frequency BA flights, although BA do codeshare on the EI's.
With the only other competition into LHR being EI thrice daily this winter and next summer, bmi must be in a fairly strong position in Belfast. Unlike GLA, EDI and MAN, Belfast does not have high frequency BA flights, although BA do codeshare on the EI's.
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unfortunately though 'pax thoughts' do matter quite a lot...hence why they don't book with us again
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Kttiwake
You miss the point, its about customers, or lack of! to many the EMB is a not an airliner, its a bizjet, that you have to share with other people. It has its place in the market, but has no place at LHR, whatever happens it will be gone from LHR by the end of Summer 2012.
It was something or nothing - BMI recruiting 15 to 20 new cabin crew for a supposed new route/aircraft. Details to follow at some unspecified time in the near future...........