MANX2

[fredtheanorak]

yessir, looks like little old Manxy2 kicked some butt. One up to the little guys Press Office :: Loganair To Withdraw Services From Blackpool - Loganair

[MUFC_fan]

Could anybody explain to me the full extent of what Manx2 is? I know they are what is known as a 'glorified ticket office' but do they have to register with the CAA? What else do they have to do?

Thanks

[j41cac]

Van Air in trouble with pilots of the Lets not being paid. Looks like Manxy2 will have to draft in some more Dorniers.

[fredtheanorak]

Its given on there website. They are a ticket provider for AOC holders operatng aircraft less than 5tonnes. Jetstream Express operated BLK-BHD and a brief BLK SOU under the same CAA exemption a couple of years ago.



Terms and conditions

General
Manx2 Ltd. is providing your tickets for this flight booking. We proudly claim to offer great service at competitive prices, and we are constantly looking at ways in which we can improve our service. On behalf of Manx2, the operator of your flights between the Isle of Man and Blackpool and Belfast City is usually VanAir Europe AS. FLM Aviation normally operates the services between the Isle of Man and Belfast International, Gloucester (M5) and Jersey

[MUFC_fan]

So basically I could fill in a form tomorrow, form an Ltd, contact FLM and ask for a Dornier, contact BLK, tell them I'm flying a plane to London and back twice a day with passengers and we will need passenger services. Set up a website and bobs your uncle?

Seriously though...is that the case? Is it really as simple as that?

[xtypeman]

Only if you are outside the UK(EU) if you are on the mainland you will need an AOC even if you are going to contract in another aoc operator. Try the other and you will fall foul of CAA Kingsway. The CAA do not like quasi airlines in any shape or form as it goes against regulations.

[MUFC_fan]

Thanks xtypeman,

So if I opened an office in say, IOM, and flew the aircraft BLK-LON I would be fine?

Mite give it a go for a week!

[skiptoit]

There is no restriction on it in the mainland either, as long as you issue the (e)ticket at the point of sale.

[TwinAisle]

Just to clarify - the LIFTING carrier needs an AOC, not the ticketing carrier. Manx2 is the latter, not the former.

TA

[xtypeman]

Thanks TA. Skiptoit you can act as an agent for an airline but you can not sell the tickets under you own name unless you have an ATOL. On the mainland you need either an AOC or an ATOL both v v costly to get.

[MUFC_fan]

I thought that you need neither?

An ATOL isn't needed as long as the tickets are sent within 24 hours of payment plus you wouldn't need your own AOC if you were wet leasing.

[xtypeman]

Sorry MUFC last minute deals eg in last 24hrs are your bucket shops you could not fill an aircraft on a schedule. Trust me I and my colleagues have spoken at lenght with Kingsway on this subject and its simple AOC or ATOL nothing less. Manx2 and Euromanx are/where agents, not airlines, based in the IOM so outside of the EU.

[bonatti]

Manx2 and Euromanx are/where agents, not airlines, based in the IOM so outside of the EU.

If thats the case,then who's aircraft do they use, and are they regulated by the CAA?

[Island Jockey]

When Euromanx started Operations with the RJ / Dornier / Dash 8s they had their own Austrian AOC. This AOC was world wide unrestricted. To operate outside the EU - IOM to UK and UK to IOM they needed UK DOT Route Licences which are renewed on an annual basis.

[MUFC_fan]

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Is Snowjet a similar set up to Manx2? They charter a/c and sell seats on the plane. Apparently on here they say that this is only possible for UK companies NOT on the mainland (IOM, JER etc.) yet this company is based in Sussex.

Is this correct? Thanks.

[virginblue]

Snowjet is a sister company of Titan Airways. Titan has just bought Snowjet's parent Satellite Travel Group. Snowjet is more or less a direct sales channel for Titan (although Snowjet also buys seats from Thomsonfly).

[MUFC_fan]

Thanks, that clears it up a bit!

[virginblue]

With Manx2 now having added NCL, do you guys see any further potential for new routes for them (other than DUB if Aer Arann should axe that route?)

Their longest route is 180mi, and I guess anything longer than 200mi is a bit tricky in the LET or the Dornier comfort-wise. Looking at a map, not much left within that perimeter that is "thin" enough on the one hand in order to not attract the big boys like Flybe and not too small to fill a 19seater.

In the past, there have been flights from IOM to PIK, but as long as Flybe serves GLA and offers reasonably priced tickets, I see little chance for that. MME too small a market, I guess. DSA too close to LBA, BRS/CWL too close to GLO. So that is pretty much it, isn't it?

[MUFC_fan]

Originally Posted by virginblue

With Manx2 now having added NCL, do you guys see any further potential for new routes for them (other than DUB if Aer Arann should axe that route?)

1. Why would Aer Arann axe the route?
2. What makes you say Manx2 would take over the route?

Some viable routes:

Prestwick
Carlisle
Doncaster
Oxford
Cork

[virginblue]

I am not saying they will, but I don't think IOM-DUB is a key route in their network. If the PSO routes come under threat (see the current discussion), the ATR42s would probably go anyway. No need to keep one just for IOM (or are they using an ATR72 on the route ? I always thought DUB-IOM was more 19seater market than a 70seater market).

Of all the places you have mentioned, I would be very surprised if places like Carlisle or Oxford would get their first commercial route with a service to IOM. GLO serves BRS and CWL and to some extent JER, but Carlisle? Oxford - as Grater London? Hmmm. Doncaster would eat into the LBA catchment area. Prestwick - probably not viable as long as the fares to GLA are at an acceptable level. ORK sounds interesting - would there be a market?