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Originally Posted by bristolflyer
Bristol is constantly ignored by Government when it comes to all forms of infrastructure projects.
How much more infrastructure do you need than two motorways, near direct access to the main trunk rail network and a **** off runway? You can hardly blame any government for not helping people who can't even use what's been given them on a plate.
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The answer is blindingly obvious!
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The original blame lies with Bristol City Council or Bristol Corporation as it was then for deciding to buy Lulsgate instead of moving to Filton in the 1950s when Whitchurch became too small - we seem to have come full circle.
Tenancy of Filton was reputedly offered at a peppercorn rent but the council would have been tenants of the BAC as the owners and occupiers were in those days. Perhaps that's why they didn't want to move there though there were so few flights in the 1950s and 1960s from Lulsgate that being a tenant at Filton would not have been a problem, surely.
Bae were the owners of Filton by the 1990s and in the middle of that decade applied to use Filton as a city airport. A public enquiry was held after which the relevant government minister (it was a Conservative government and I believe the minister was one J S Gummer) rejected the application. I seem to remember an appeal, or at least a judicial review of the minister's decision, by Bae to the courts but that too was rejected.
It's true there are many more nimbys around Filton than around Lulsgate - the much larger population there makes this no surprise.
Lusgate is the only game in town now even though with hindsight, and certainly prescience on the part of the city councillors (something of an oxymoron when applied to Bristol councillors) all those years ago, Filton would now be the airport for Bristol - no environmentalists or professional objectors in those days.
Tenancy of Filton was reputedly offered at a peppercorn rent but the council would have been tenants of the BAC as the owners and occupiers were in those days. Perhaps that's why they didn't want to move there though there were so few flights in the 1950s and 1960s from Lulsgate that being a tenant at Filton would not have been a problem, surely.
Bae were the owners of Filton by the 1990s and in the middle of that decade applied to use Filton as a city airport. A public enquiry was held after which the relevant government minister (it was a Conservative government and I believe the minister was one J S Gummer) rejected the application. I seem to remember an appeal, or at least a judicial review of the minister's decision, by Bae to the courts but that too was rejected.
It's true there are many more nimbys around Filton than around Lulsgate - the much larger population there makes this no surprise.
Lusgate is the only game in town now even though with hindsight, and certainly prescience on the part of the city councillors (something of an oxymoron when applied to Bristol councillors) all those years ago, Filton would now be the airport for Bristol - no environmentalists or professional objectors in those days.
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i was under the impression that the Bristol Aircaft Corporation were approached by Bristol City Council about moving to Filton, but were refused on the grounds that an airport could not work with a manufacturing establisment !!!, what a mistake that was
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crackling jet,
That may be the correct version. I meant to type reportedly, not reputedly (would be a hopeless proof reader), because the peppercorn rent thing is the story that has appeared in the local press in the past, but I can no longer find a reference.
I suppose the only question would be whether a tenancy arrangement would have resulted in the necessary expensive infrastructure being put into place.
It's all what might have been now but I sometimes wonder what level a Filton-sited Bristol Airport would now have reached, always assuming the infrastructure kept pace with development.
That may be the correct version. I meant to type reportedly, not reputedly (would be a hopeless proof reader), because the peppercorn rent thing is the story that has appeared in the local press in the past, but I can no longer find a reference.
I suppose the only question would be whether a tenancy arrangement would have resulted in the necessary expensive infrastructure being put into place.
It's all what might have been now but I sometimes wonder what level a Filton-sited Bristol Airport would now have reached, always assuming the infrastructure kept pace with development.
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KLMcitihopper
The late afternoon cityhopper was operated by one of the new Embraer 190s today (PH-EZA according to the apron website). I was told a 190 operated this rotation yesterday as well.
Would be very pleasant if this became a regular occurrence though I believe the Fokkers are still scheduled for the AMS-BRS rotations at present.
Would be very pleasant if this became a regular occurrence though I believe the Fokkers are still scheduled for the AMS-BRS rotations at present.
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I bet that was looking nice on the BRS ramp. We still yet to have seen it on the CWL ramp that i know of. The KL1060 have been operating out of CWL on a F100 ISO F70 so maybe one or two aircraft are out of action for maintenance etc.
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Stop wittering on about Filton, it'll be a housing estate before long!
I've been in the wider aviation industry for almost all of my working life and worked at several airports in different parts of the UK and I've never heard so much nonsense about an airport that isn't going to be. It's not a commercial player and never will be (at least not if the rumours are true) so let's get over it and support what we have got. It's a damn sight better than suffering the M4 to get to Hounslow International or a dreadful cross country hike to Gatport. You could also try Brum or Exeter of course, although that means using the M5 which is only possible if someone hasn't hit an electricity pylon or wants to swan dive off the Avon Bridge!
Not sure about that carbuncle being built in front of my office though.
I've been in the wider aviation industry for almost all of my working life and worked at several airports in different parts of the UK and I've never heard so much nonsense about an airport that isn't going to be. It's not a commercial player and never will be (at least not if the rumours are true) so let's get over it and support what we have got. It's a damn sight better than suffering the M4 to get to Hounslow International or a dreadful cross country hike to Gatport. You could also try Brum or Exeter of course, although that means using the M5 which is only possible if someone hasn't hit an electricity pylon or wants to swan dive off the Avon Bridge!
Not sure about that carbuncle being built in front of my office though.
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I don't think many people on here are saying that Filton will become an airport - it's more a case of should it have become one in the past?
It didn't, isn't and won't be, in my opinion anyway.
I agree about supporting what we've got and I've already listed at #1127 some of the things I've done in recent times to further this cause.
It didn't, isn't and won't be, in my opinion anyway.
I agree about supporting what we've got and I've already listed at #1127 some of the things I've done in recent times to further this cause.
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Delays / Diversions at BRS
Stuck at BRS and trying to get to GLA. Flights being cancelled / delayed / diverted to CWL. Causes seem to be weather and an 'airfield operational systems failure'. Person I spoke to couldn't elaborate. Anyone got any specific info?
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Another aviation message board reports this Notam.
RWY 27 ILS U/S. 09 NOV 17:43 2009 UNTIL 09 NOV 22:00 2009
Cat IIIb is on the westerly runway (27) only - not sure if the south-easterly wind would have permitted its use anyway but the wind is very light where I live about nine miles away - and the fog/mist has been around all day in the area even at heights below BRS's 600-plus feet elevation.
There have been turbo prop cancellations/diverts during the day according to the airport arrivals board and nothing at all has landed since 1656.
Cardiff and Birmingham seem to have taken most of the diversions with others going to Exeter and East Midlands.
I emphathise I have no weather, technical or aviation expertise and merely report this in good faith.
Addendum
It seems the airport is now accepting inbounds again. KL 1057 from AMS landed about ten minutes ago.
RWY 27 ILS U/S. 09 NOV 17:43 2009 UNTIL 09 NOV 22:00 2009
Cat IIIb is on the westerly runway (27) only - not sure if the south-easterly wind would have permitted its use anyway but the wind is very light where I live about nine miles away - and the fog/mist has been around all day in the area even at heights below BRS's 600-plus feet elevation.
There have been turbo prop cancellations/diverts during the day according to the airport arrivals board and nothing at all has landed since 1656.
Cardiff and Birmingham seem to have taken most of the diversions with others going to Exeter and East Midlands.
I emphathise I have no weather, technical or aviation expertise and merely report this in good faith.
Addendum
It seems the airport is now accepting inbounds again. KL 1057 from AMS landed about ten minutes ago.
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The ILS 27 had been operating close to tolerance for most of the afternoon, but the fault exceeded tolerance at about 5pm resulting in the loss of the 27 Glidepath. Aircraft were unable to make an approach to 09 as the visibility was beneath the absolute minima for the ILS approach on that runway.
Departures were still allowed, I believe. I know the SZ486 from Plymouth, bypassed Bristol and just went straight onto Leeds this evening.
Departures were still allowed, I believe. I know the SZ486 from Plymouth, bypassed Bristol and just went straight onto Leeds this evening.
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Thanks for the info guys. I have now arrived back in Ayrshire after EZY decided not to bus us to CWL but cancel the flight and put us on the 4pm today. I decided that even though it was 10pm last night to hire a car & drive and although it was not too bad and got to GLA in time for my lunchtime meeting I don't really want to do that again in a hurry.
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Ryanair
I noted today that new destinations from BRS are shown in both the booking engine and timetable drop down sections of the Ryanair website, but no availability is shown in the booking engine nor timings given in the timetable section.
The routes are Faro and Palma (against easyJet), Gdansk (back once again), Venice (Treviso) and Valencia. easyJet appear to have axed both Valencia and Venice (Marco Polo) from BRS next summer. In fact, Valencia and Venice (MP) have gone from the schedule this winter as well.
If this transpires it will be further competition with easyJet with both Alicante and Malaga now running against them year round.
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easyJet have certainly cut back on a lot of routes this winter with even established daily favourites such as Geneva*, Amsterdam and Barcelona not going daily this time of the year.
* Geneva will operate 18 x weekly in the ski season though, at least double-daily on every day.
On Tuesday of this week eight 319s were parked up for most, if not all, of the day.
I noted today that new destinations from BRS are shown in both the booking engine and timetable drop down sections of the Ryanair website, but no availability is shown in the booking engine nor timings given in the timetable section.
The routes are Faro and Palma (against easyJet), Gdansk (back once again), Venice (Treviso) and Valencia. easyJet appear to have axed both Valencia and Venice (Marco Polo) from BRS next summer. In fact, Valencia and Venice (MP) have gone from the schedule this winter as well.
If this transpires it will be further competition with easyJet with both Alicante and Malaga now running against them year round.
easyJet
easyJet have certainly cut back on a lot of routes this winter with even established daily favourites such as Geneva*, Amsterdam and Barcelona not going daily this time of the year.
* Geneva will operate 18 x weekly in the ski season though, at least double-daily on every day.
On Tuesday of this week eight 319s were parked up for most, if not all, of the day.
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Ryanair Expansion now 5 based aircraft
New aircraft, routes and frequencies for Bristol and Liverpool
Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, announced today (19th Nov) that it will invest an additional $210m in UK tourism as it bases new aircraft in Bristol (up one to five) and Liverpool (up two to eight), from 28th March, and opens ten new routes from Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow (Prestwick) and Liverpool Airports, from February next, which will deliver 400,000 additional passengers p.a. and create 400 new jobs at these airports in 2010.
All Ryanair’s new routes from Bristol to Faro, Gdansk, Palma de Mallorca, Venice (Treviso) and Valencia, from Edinburgh to Tampere, from Glasgow (Prestwick) to Carcassonne and from Liverpool to Lodz, Rimini and Trapani will be available for booking tomorrow, Friday (20th Nov), on www.ryanair.com. Ryanair will also increase frequencies on two Bristol and four Liverpool routes.
Ryanair celebrated these three new aircraft and ten new routes by extending its 500,000 £1 Christmas seat sale to midnight Friday (20th Nov), for travel in late December, which is available for booking on www.ryanair.com.
Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:
“Ryanair is delighted to announce three new aircraft and ten new routes for Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow Prestwick and Liverpool airports which will deliver 400,000 additional passengers and create 400 new jobs while ensuring increased competition and choice for consumers.
“Ryanair routes at these airports deliver millions of passengers, and sustain thousands of jobs at each airport and in the surrounding regions every year.
“To celebrate these new aircraft, routes and frequencies Ryanair is extending its 500,000 £1 Christmas seat sale, for travel across Europe in late December, until midnight Friday. Since seats at these crazy low prices will be snapped up quickly, we urge passengers to book them immediately on www.ryanair.com.”
Ryanair announces 3 new aircraft and 10 new routes from
Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow (PIK) & Liverpool
Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow (PIK) & Liverpool
500,000 £1 CHRISTMAS SEAT SALE
Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, announced today (19th Nov) that it will invest an additional $210m in UK tourism as it bases new aircraft in Bristol (up one to five) and Liverpool (up two to eight), from 28th March, and opens ten new routes from Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow (Prestwick) and Liverpool Airports, from February next, which will deliver 400,000 additional passengers p.a. and create 400 new jobs at these airports in 2010.
All Ryanair’s new routes from Bristol to Faro, Gdansk, Palma de Mallorca, Venice (Treviso) and Valencia, from Edinburgh to Tampere, from Glasgow (Prestwick) to Carcassonne and from Liverpool to Lodz, Rimini and Trapani will be available for booking tomorrow, Friday (20th Nov), on www.ryanair.com. Ryanair will also increase frequencies on two Bristol and four Liverpool routes.
Ryanair celebrated these three new aircraft and ten new routes by extending its 500,000 £1 Christmas seat sale to midnight Friday (20th Nov), for travel in late December, which is available for booking on www.ryanair.com.
Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:
“Ryanair is delighted to announce three new aircraft and ten new routes for Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow Prestwick and Liverpool airports which will deliver 400,000 additional passengers and create 400 new jobs while ensuring increased competition and choice for consumers.
“Ryanair routes at these airports deliver millions of passengers, and sustain thousands of jobs at each airport and in the surrounding regions every year.
“To celebrate these new aircraft, routes and frequencies Ryanair is extending its 500,000 £1 Christmas seat sale, for travel across Europe in late December, until midnight Friday. Since seats at these crazy low prices will be snapped up quickly, we urge passengers to book them immediately on www.ryanair.com.”
New Ryanair routes:
Bristol
Route
Route
Begin
Faro
31 Mar
Gdansk
1 Apr
Palma
31 Mar
Treviso
31 Mar
Valencia
25 Feb
Faro
31 Mar
Gdansk
1 Apr
Palma
31 Mar
Treviso
31 Mar
Valencia
25 Feb
Edinburgh
Route
Route
Begin
Tampere
1 Apr
Tampere
1 Apr
Glasgow (Prestwick)
Route
Route
Begin
Carcassonne
31 Mar
Carcassonne
31 Mar
Liverpool
Route
Route
Begin
Lodz
1 Apr
Rimini
31 Mar
Trapani
30 Mar
Lodz
1 Apr
Rimini
31 Mar
Trapani
30 Mar
Increased Frequencies:
Bristol
Route
Bristol
Route
Malaga
Malta
Malta
Liverpool
Route
Route
Faro
Krakow
Poznan
Wroclaw
Krakow
Poznan
Wroclaw