AirSea Lines (UK Seaplanes to fly once more)
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The story goes something like this.
There was a travel trade show at the XL trade centre at London Docklands a couple of months back.
A Twin Otter SX-BVP of Air Sea Lines from Greece landed on the Thames and moored near the centre for a number of days.
This is the company that is interested in possible running Twin Otters for the 2012 Olympics as some of the competitions are a long coach ride and the Olympic village is near the Docklands to operate of the Thames and land possible near some of the events on water like sailing a Plymouth to name just one.
Not only they ewuld like with the help of other Twin Otter operators to get the production line open again, so there is a lot happening to do with the Twin Otter lets hope it come off.
The story goes something like this.
There was a travel trade show at the XL trade centre at London Docklands a couple of months back.
A Twin Otter SX-BVP of Air Sea Lines from Greece landed on the Thames and moored near the centre for a number of days.
This is the company that is interested in possible running Twin Otters for the 2012 Olympics as some of the competitions are a long coach ride and the Olympic village is near the Docklands to operate of the Thames and land possible near some of the events on water like sailing a Plymouth to name just one.
Not only they ewuld like with the help of other Twin Otter operators to get the production line open again, so there is a lot happening to do with the Twin Otter lets hope it come off.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
AirSea Lines (UK Seaplanes to fly once more)
Torygraph: Seaplanes to fly once more
One of the most romantic modes of air travel, which faded with the British Empire, is set to return as plans are made for a fleet of seaplanes that will fly to destinations across Britain.
In the golden age of the seaplane in the 1930s and 1940s, the "Empire Boats" of Imperial Airways would fly, complete with library, cocktail bar and smoking lounge, from Southampton to South Africa, with stops that included -Athens, Alexandria, Khartoum and Lake Victoria. The new generation of seaplanes, however, will possess a much shorter range than their earlier counterparts, but the vision behind them is no less ambitious: a new seaplane flight school has been set up and there are proposals for a multi-million pound investment to reintroduce domestic flights.
AirSea Lines, which runs services in the Mediterranean and Canada, has unveiled plans to bring at least 10 aircraft to Britain during the next five years. The company has earmarked three "hubs", or areas around the country in which they will operate services. These are the Lake District, north Wales and London.
Michael Patellis, the company's president, said: "Seaplane transport is a hidden treasure for Britain. Water is a natural place to land and there are many places in the country that are well suited to them. They can be a real alternative to cars and trains as well as other forms of air travel. They are safer than helicopters and cheaper to operate. You can fit more passengers on board and they require very little extra infrastructure."
Flights from Cardiff to remote bays in north Wales and services in the Lake District will cater for tourists, while routes from London to lakes and waterways in southern England, are also intended to attract business and commuter use. Flights from London to the Lakes are also possible. One proposal is to offer flights from the capital to Oxfordshire, which would cost about £120. A test flight has been carried out from London's Docklands.
Walter Stark, the company's UK-based vice-president, said: "It's about offering alternative means of getting people to difficult-to-reach areas. But it is also very much a lifestyle thing. There's a real need to be served and we're very keen."
The company mainly uses the DeHavilland Twin Otter, a rugged and reliable aircraft developed for exploring northern Canada, which can carry 19 passengers and land on runways as well as on water. Production of the Twin Otter stopped in 1988, but restarted this month to meet the expected increase in demand over the next decade. AirSea Lines is expected to be the main customer. The company currently has nine aircraft in Europe but wants to increase this to 50 - including at least 10 in the UK - by 2012.
The company is in negotiations with Think London, a government-funded agency that encourages foreign companies to invest in the capital, as well as with the Welsh Assembly and Cumbria Vision, a company set up to encourage investment in the Lake District.
Moves to fly into the Lake District are likely to prove the most problematic. The company will have to secure permission from the Lake District National Park Authority, which has enforced a 10mph speed limit for boats on Windermere. Seaplanes travel at least six times that speed on landing and take-off.
A further sign of the seaplane's comeback is a new flight school set up by Scotia Seaplanes, in Glasgow. The company has been established by Hamish Mitchell, who is also chairman of the UK Seaplane Association. "There is a real renaissance in seaplanes and with the increased interest of commercial operators there's going to be a growing demand for pilots," he said.
One of the most romantic modes of air travel, which faded with the British Empire, is set to return as plans are made for a fleet of seaplanes that will fly to destinations across Britain.
In the golden age of the seaplane in the 1930s and 1940s, the "Empire Boats" of Imperial Airways would fly, complete with library, cocktail bar and smoking lounge, from Southampton to South Africa, with stops that included -Athens, Alexandria, Khartoum and Lake Victoria. The new generation of seaplanes, however, will possess a much shorter range than their earlier counterparts, but the vision behind them is no less ambitious: a new seaplane flight school has been set up and there are proposals for a multi-million pound investment to reintroduce domestic flights.
AirSea Lines, which runs services in the Mediterranean and Canada, has unveiled plans to bring at least 10 aircraft to Britain during the next five years. The company has earmarked three "hubs", or areas around the country in which they will operate services. These are the Lake District, north Wales and London.
Michael Patellis, the company's president, said: "Seaplane transport is a hidden treasure for Britain. Water is a natural place to land and there are many places in the country that are well suited to them. They can be a real alternative to cars and trains as well as other forms of air travel. They are safer than helicopters and cheaper to operate. You can fit more passengers on board and they require very little extra infrastructure."
Flights from Cardiff to remote bays in north Wales and services in the Lake District will cater for tourists, while routes from London to lakes and waterways in southern England, are also intended to attract business and commuter use. Flights from London to the Lakes are also possible. One proposal is to offer flights from the capital to Oxfordshire, which would cost about £120. A test flight has been carried out from London's Docklands.
Walter Stark, the company's UK-based vice-president, said: "It's about offering alternative means of getting people to difficult-to-reach areas. But it is also very much a lifestyle thing. There's a real need to be served and we're very keen."
The company mainly uses the DeHavilland Twin Otter, a rugged and reliable aircraft developed for exploring northern Canada, which can carry 19 passengers and land on runways as well as on water. Production of the Twin Otter stopped in 1988, but restarted this month to meet the expected increase in demand over the next decade. AirSea Lines is expected to be the main customer. The company currently has nine aircraft in Europe but wants to increase this to 50 - including at least 10 in the UK - by 2012.
The company is in negotiations with Think London, a government-funded agency that encourages foreign companies to invest in the capital, as well as with the Welsh Assembly and Cumbria Vision, a company set up to encourage investment in the Lake District.
Moves to fly into the Lake District are likely to prove the most problematic. The company will have to secure permission from the Lake District National Park Authority, which has enforced a 10mph speed limit for boats on Windermere. Seaplanes travel at least six times that speed on landing and take-off.
A further sign of the seaplane's comeback is a new flight school set up by Scotia Seaplanes, in Glasgow. The company has been established by Hamish Mitchell, who is also chairman of the UK Seaplane Association. "There is a real renaissance in seaplanes and with the increased interest of commercial operators there's going to be a growing demand for pilots," he said.
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Good to see the Twin Otter back in production. Always thought there was still a market for the aircraft.
But surely a floatplane - not a seaplane.
But surely a floatplane - not a seaplane.
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I am sure the company have done their market research here---however---"remote bays in North Wales" 
---where, exactly, did they have in mind ? I can only think of the Llewyn Peninsula in this respect which begs the question-----and I admit I know nothing about floatplane ops. here---what about the sea state conditions for landing and take-off given the Irish Sea is not a placid piece of water at the best of times.
I am sure it's not a romantic dream to operate these flights---but the market must be limited surely as would the operating periods---summer months only ? and even then the weather can be fickle enough. I am not being cynical here--just curious as to how they plan to operate and to where.
---where, exactly, did they have in mind ? I can only think of the Llewyn Peninsula in this respect which begs the question-----and I admit I know nothing about floatplane ops. here---what about the sea state conditions for landing and take-off given the Irish Sea is not a placid piece of water at the best of times. I am sure it's not a romantic dream to operate these flights---but the market must be limited surely as would the operating periods---summer months only ? and even then the weather can be fickle enough. I am not being cynical here--just curious as to how they plan to operate and to where.
Thames Water have plans for a ginormous reservoir near Abingdon and Didcot. Ironically enough, this was once a proposed area for a new 'London' airport....
But 15-18 seat Twotter flights from Abingdon Lake to a seaplane base at London City (53 nm as the crow flies) would be very convenient for many! 25 minutes from Oxfordshire to Docklands, perhaps? Particularly now that Viking have relaunched production of the aircraft.
If the reservoir has to be built, then bring it on!
Perhaps Farmoor Reservoir is already a possibility for such flights?
But 15-18 seat Twotter flights from Abingdon Lake to a seaplane base at London City (53 nm as the crow flies) would be very convenient for many! 25 minutes from Oxfordshire to Docklands, perhaps? Particularly now that Viking have relaunched production of the aircraft.
If the reservoir has to be built, then bring it on!
Perhaps Farmoor Reservoir is already a possibility for such flights?
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Thames Water have plans for a ginormous reservoir near Abingdon and Didcot. Ironically enough, this was once a proposed area for a new 'London' airport....
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Non of those locations could really be construed as "remote" could they?. The A55 serves all of them as do the rail links to Holyhead and Porthmadog. True, the road from Caernarfon to Porthmadog is a pain at times---but Caernarfon already has a GA field so why fly into the marina area ?. I am not being negative here, it's that I just cannot see the viability of the operation into areas that are already well served for access--Summer congestion apart I agree---which brings us back to remote locations of course--and the sea state. Out of interest, for those who are experienced in such operations, just what is the sea state criteria for landing / take off please?.
The viable operation is the one that BEagle mentions---for obvious reasons as anybody who tries to get into London and the surrounding area (s) would confirm--but "remote" locations in North Wales would surely be a non starter in terms of loads and revenue generation---other than those who wish to pay for a unique --in the UK at least--means of flying. Then of course there is the proposition to fly to the Lake District. I think, given the constraints on just about anything that moves in the area, the term "problematic" may be a classical understatment here.
Yes, it would be nice to see the operation suceed, however, I feel it's potential is slim and frought from the onset. Nice to be proved wrong of course-----however.
Non of those locations could really be construed as "remote" could they?. The A55 serves all of them as do the rail links to Holyhead and Porthmadog. True, the road from Caernarfon to Porthmadog is a pain at times---but Caernarfon already has a GA field so why fly into the marina area ?. I am not being negative here, it's that I just cannot see the viability of the operation into areas that are already well served for access--Summer congestion apart I agree---which brings us back to remote locations of course--and the sea state. Out of interest, for those who are experienced in such operations, just what is the sea state criteria for landing / take off please?.
The viable operation is the one that BEagle mentions---for obvious reasons as anybody who tries to get into London and the surrounding area (s) would confirm--but "remote" locations in North Wales would surely be a non starter in terms of loads and revenue generation---other than those who wish to pay for a unique --in the UK at least--means of flying. Then of course there is the proposition to fly to the Lake District. I think, given the constraints on just about anything that moves in the area, the term "problematic" may be a classical understatment here.
Yes, it would be nice to see the operation suceed, however, I feel it's potential is slim and frought from the onset. Nice to be proved wrong of course-----however.
To travel from 'Oxford lake' to LCY and then on to Europe would be a significant possibility. So much pleasanter than flying from Thiefrow after a slow trip along the M40/M25/M4...
But if that includes 'yellow jacket' idiocy and taking shoes off etc, forget it!
But if that includes 'yellow jacket' idiocy and taking shoes off etc, forget it!
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I think its a good idea and would take a flight for the fun of it. If it becomes a success a CV will heading towards them. Now would they pay landing fees or mooring fees because its fact some authority will try and shaft them somehow.
In about 1994/5 someone was operating a Lake seaplane from Weymouth Bay in Dorset. Does anyone know what happened to this operation?
In about 1994/5 someone was operating a Lake seaplane from Weymouth Bay in Dorset. Does anyone know what happened to this operation?
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Sea(Float) planes in the lake district
Can anyone see the slightest possibity of permission for a landing area being given in this area? I cant, unless someone comes up with an electric engined aeroplane. what with the noise polution involved
p.s. the folks arround Abindon are well aware of the reservoir plans of Thames Water
p.s. the folks arround Abindon are well aware of the reservoir plans of Thames Water
Small Question???
Can a Twotter with twenty pax, one stewardess and baggage actually mantain altitude on one engine whilst lugging a pair of floats about?
I'm told that the Maldives fleet carry either bags or pax, but not both on their longer legs.
Don't think I'd like to be over, or in, Oxfordshire if the answers NO.
I also agree with the above though in that it's nice to see the Twotter back in production. I have many happy memories of lugging oillies and mail bags around Scotland in one thirty years ago. (God, is it that long ago!)
Can a Twotter with twenty pax, one stewardess and baggage actually mantain altitude on one engine whilst lugging a pair of floats about?
I'm told that the Maldives fleet carry either bags or pax, but not both on their longer legs.
Don't think I'd like to be over, or in, Oxfordshire if the answers NO.
I also agree with the above though in that it's nice to see the Twotter back in production. I have many happy memories of lugging oillies and mail bags around Scotland in one thirty years ago. (God, is it that long ago!)
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With climate warming approaching, this Twotter will soon be water taxying closer to central London than you think!
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This is something thats making quite a come back here in the UK. Up here in Scotland we have Loch Lomond Seaplanes who fly the Cessna Turbo Stationair on charter and pleasure flights from their base at loch Lomond.
They have though, just been given permission to commence scheduled flights to and from the river Clyde in the centre of Glasgow, Scotlands second largest city.
Take off from the River Clyde.
They have though, just been given permission to commence scheduled flights to and from the river Clyde in the centre of Glasgow, Scotlands second largest city.
Take off from the River Clyde.
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What an excellent idea!
This was my ride out of my Maldive hideaway a few years back.
They used reverse thrust to back them onto the beach so passengers could walk on board along the port side float dry footed.
As I recall there was no problem with baggage and a full load of pax. We were about an hours flying time south of Male with two stops on the way.
Arriving and departing from my island in this way was a real plus for my holiday. I also got my PADI open water too!
They used reverse thrust to back them onto the beach so passengers could walk on board along the port side float dry footed.
As I recall there was no problem with baggage and a full load of pax. We were about an hours flying time south of Male with two stops on the way.
Arriving and departing from my island in this way was a real plus for my holiday. I also got my PADI open water too!
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AAHHH SUN EXPRESS!
My First Twin Otter Command on SUM & SUN.
Where were you Xeque? Ari Beach my second home! It was probably me as there were only 3 captains most of the time.
Its a pitty that they dont exist anymore, I certainly hope that the owners do better with their second airline than they did with us!
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My First Twin Otter Command on SUM & SUN.
Where were you Xeque? Ari Beach my second home! It was probably me as there were only 3 captains most of the time.
Its a pitty that they dont exist anymore, I certainly hope that the owners do better with their second airline than they did with us!
(Kingfisher, UB Group owned us)