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Well the aircraft has to go somewhere, as with all other afternoon services from LBA be it Malaga, Palma, Alicante, Murcia, Barcelona, etc etc.
As Faro is a single daily flight compared to double daily PMI, ALC, AGP etc I would imagine the loads will be good regardless of time. At the end of the day some people want a morning flight and some want an afternoon flight, as always, not everyone can be pleased.
So would you say you would rather pay less for a flight leaving say from Horsforth than one leaving Leeds Bradford? 
So say you chose the MAN - FAO option with Jet2, you would need to leave home at 4am ish, ok yes you get to Faro at lunchtime yet on the renturn home the last day is a waste as you will have to be at the airport by 10 ish so leaving resort 8-9 ish, getting up 7ish. I would rather go for the more civilised afternoon LBA flight to be honest.
As Faro is a single daily flight compared to double daily PMI, ALC, AGP etc I would imagine the loads will be good regardless of time. At the end of the day some people want a morning flight and some want an afternoon flight, as always, not everyone can be pleased.
It is soo hard to fit everybody’s needs and i respect that from a companys point of view, but as a consumer and customer it is hard to find a reasonable priced airline close to Leeds/Bradford and at reasonable times.
So say you chose the MAN - FAO option with Jet2, you would need to leave home at 4am ish, ok yes you get to Faro at lunchtime yet on the renturn home the last day is a waste as you will have to be at the airport by 10 ish so leaving resort 8-9 ish, getting up 7ish. I would rather go for the more civilised afternoon LBA flight to be honest.
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Man-fao
It'll be on the 757, but what's wrong with the 737 anyway
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Here's a thought, might be logistically tricky but you could go out from MAN and back to LBA
.Here's a thought, might be logistically tricky but you could go out from MAN and back to LBA
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Lourdes Flights
Now that Ryanair seem to be trying to steal the Lourdes business at Stansted
will Meeson et al ,together with the charterer of those flights take up the offers for a summer schedule and convert the LDE/STN/LDE on Mondays and
Fridays into a schedule service. 75%discount on the LDE costs must be tempting.
I have been on one or two of those flights from STN and the 124 seat config.
really is great for the less able pax.
I am sure that LS really could make this work.Ryanair will just screw up an already succesful route.their model doesnt allow for the needs of the LDE type pax
will Meeson et al ,together with the charterer of those flights take up the offers for a summer schedule and convert the LDE/STN/LDE on Mondays and
Fridays into a schedule service. 75%discount on the LDE costs must be tempting.
I have been on one or two of those flights from STN and the 124 seat config.
really is great for the less able pax.
I am sure that LS really could make this work.Ryanair will just screw up an already succesful route.their model doesnt allow for the needs of the LDE type pax
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Hi
News regarding charter ops this winter
There is speculation that Jet2 are sending 3 x Boeing 757-200 aircraft along with flight and cabin Crew to Jeddah this winter for 3 months from November to January for Hajji operations.
Has anyone else heard anything about this, and who's it working for?
News regarding charter ops this winter
There is speculation that Jet2 are sending 3 x Boeing 757-200 aircraft along with flight and cabin Crew to Jeddah this winter for 3 months from November to January for Hajji operations.
Has anyone else heard anything about this, and who's it working for?
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Lagos ( Murtala Muhammed ) and Port Harcourt I had heard were the bases,not Jeddah, but thats just a rumour....never let the facts get in the way of a good story eh G.S!
Some of the Old A300 boys would be up for that i guess..bit of sand and heat, dodgy markets for 4x4 and Beemer spares...right up the Sheiks street.
Anyways the real rumour is HKG...apparently
Tasty Geezer and Wah Wah send their respects
Some of the Old A300 boys would be up for that i guess..bit of sand and heat, dodgy markets for 4x4 and Beemer spares...right up the Sheiks street.
Anyways the real rumour is HKG...apparently
Tasty Geezer and Wah Wah send their respects
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Looks like its not all gloom and doom in the Airline Industry ...
Source London Stock Exchange.
This means now the current share price is 32p, thats a 32.6% increase.
Trading Statement
Dart Group PLC, the aviation and distribution group, reports on the first five months of trading of its principal operating subsidiaries Jet2.com, the northern based airline, and Fowler Welch-Coolchain, one of the UK's largest chilled distribution companies.
The Group's underlying profit before taxation (before specific IAS 39 fair value movements) for the first half of the year is expected to be in excess of Ł30 million, with full year results in advance of current market expectations.
The Group's aviation business is set for a record summer. By focusing on its core European leisure routes, our scheduled airline, Jet2.com, is delivering improved yields coupled with load factors on these routes in excess of 90% in the peak months. Trading performance has been supported by increased charter volumes, strong cost control, and a conservative approach to fuel hedging. Our ATOL-protected holidays company, Jet2holidays.com, continues to grow strongly by meeting our customers' demand for a package holiday from their local airport.
Our distribution business, Fowler Welch-Coolchain, which operates over 350 vehicles providing a high quality distribution service of staple consumer goods, including chilled fresh and prepared foods, for a range of UK leading supermarkets, retailers and their suppliers, continues to perform well and in line with the Company's expectations. This business remains unaffected by fuel price movements, which are passed on to our customers.
Dart Group PLC, the aviation and distribution group, reports on the first five months of trading of its principal operating subsidiaries Jet2.com, the northern based airline, and Fowler Welch-Coolchain, one of the UK's largest chilled distribution companies.
The Group's underlying profit before taxation (before specific IAS 39 fair value movements) for the first half of the year is expected to be in excess of Ł30 million, with full year results in advance of current market expectations.
The Group's aviation business is set for a record summer. By focusing on its core European leisure routes, our scheduled airline, Jet2.com, is delivering improved yields coupled with load factors on these routes in excess of 90% in the peak months. Trading performance has been supported by increased charter volumes, strong cost control, and a conservative approach to fuel hedging. Our ATOL-protected holidays company, Jet2holidays.com, continues to grow strongly by meeting our customers' demand for a package holiday from their local airport.
Our distribution business, Fowler Welch-Coolchain, which operates over 350 vehicles providing a high quality distribution service of staple consumer goods, including chilled fresh and prepared foods, for a range of UK leading supermarkets, retailers and their suppliers, continues to perform well and in line with the Company's expectations. This business remains unaffected by fuel price movements, which are passed on to our customers.
This means now the current share price is 32p, thats a 32.6% increase.
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...they could improve value further by cutting operating costs at the smaller bases ie expensive crew room and station manager positions at stations like STN where it seems they have a low operating programme.....The handling agents could probably provide crew report facilities for a small fee or knowing the handlers for free !!!!
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Why put a trading statement out 5 months into the year? I can understand at the 3, 6 and 9 month stage but 5 does seem very odd
I think XL put out a statement along similar lines 4 weeks ago
I think XL put out a statement along similar lines 4 weeks ago
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Trading Statement
There's nothing unusual about letting people (prospective customers) know that the airline is profitable and successful. Of course you're going to shout about it. With new routes announced and more to be announced Jet2 is heading in only one direction - UP (the same as the share price). Not all airlines can shout about their success. Can you provide a link to XL's statement of a record summer and profit from four weeks back???
Other airlines such as easyjet and ryanair are chopping routes and mothballing many aircraft to save money and therefore customers need a safe bet - and that's exactly what Jet2 are.
Leeds App.
Other airlines such as easyjet and ryanair are chopping routes and mothballing many aircraft to save money and therefore customers need a safe bet - and that's exactly what Jet2 are.
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In light of the trading statement; any airline who wants to attract bookings after the media coverage of the collapse of XL yesterday would need to make positive statements like this to give customers confidence to book their flights.
However, it interests me in that not too long ago the Dart group were saying that profits were down and the airline side of it was causing the pain. So this is all better now, despite the fact that the whole business is now slowing after the summer?
It was reported on here that Flyglobespan was looking for a buyer / investor only earlier in the summer, yet suddenly all is good in their world. I am aware as probably everyone else on here is that the media get hold of spin on here and that can influence sentiment with banks and their lending to particular firms.
I would see Jet2 and Flyglobespan as the most vulnerable 2 airlines in the UK at this time.
However, it interests me in that not too long ago the Dart group were saying that profits were down and the airline side of it was causing the pain. So this is all better now, despite the fact that the whole business is now slowing after the summer?
It was reported on here that Flyglobespan was looking for a buyer / investor only earlier in the summer, yet suddenly all is good in their world. I am aware as probably everyone else on here is that the media get hold of spin on here and that can influence sentiment with banks and their lending to particular firms.
I would see Jet2 and Flyglobespan as the most vulnerable 2 airlines in the UK at this time.
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Well EI-BUD it is all about opinion. I think Aer lingus have more to worry about than Jet2. (no info on GSM). But this is the last time i'll be mentioning other airlines (as regards potential failure) as it's dog eat dog out there. As can be seen from the last few days only the bean counters know what is really going on.
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Most passengers have no idea about which airlines are vunerable and few would have expected XL to go under, its this above all else that will have led to DTG trading update & why not its good commercial sense, having said that the figures mean little covering the period that they do, a little like Bernard Matthews reporting s surge in turkey sales in December!!
The winter will be difficult for all and a lowering of the oil price has no effect on costs of airlines that are hedged.
Globespan & the SAS group are ones to watch, Globespan are much closer to the XL model than Jet2
Off for a beer
The winter will be difficult for all and a lowering of the oil price has no effect on costs of airlines that are hedged.
Globespan & the SAS group are ones to watch, Globespan are much closer to the XL model than Jet2
Off for a beer
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It’s good to hear an airline making positive announcements.
EI-BUD:
GSM were looking not for business investment, remember they are a seriously cash rich organisation, but a business partner. Bit of a difference there, no?
What makes you think the JET2 and GSM are on the edge? More so than Aer Lingus, who lets be honest, almost went to the wall a few years back and had to re-brand and seriously down size!
There are many airlines out there that we have no real financial knowledge of and as Leeds App. says, only the beancounters know. There is a lot of "my company is better than yours" manhood swinging going on out there, but after yesterday – that’s all it ever will be – talk!
Facebovveredlook:
I’d bet that JET2 and GSM have a very similar business model to XL. Both have their own holiday company, both offer flights only and both accept business from holiday companies.
Big difference between us and XL, lower overheads and far less competition! How many airlines operated from LGW and MAN to the same destinations???
Good luck to all – I just hope I have a job over the winter.
EI-BUD:
GSM were looking not for business investment, remember they are a seriously cash rich organisation, but a business partner. Bit of a difference there, no?
What makes you think the JET2 and GSM are on the edge? More so than Aer Lingus, who lets be honest, almost went to the wall a few years back and had to re-brand and seriously down size!
There are many airlines out there that we have no real financial knowledge of and as Leeds App. says, only the beancounters know. There is a lot of "my company is better than yours" manhood swinging going on out there, but after yesterday – that’s all it ever will be – talk!
Facebovveredlook:
I’d bet that JET2 and GSM have a very similar business model to XL. Both have their own holiday company, both offer flights only and both accept business from holiday companies.
Big difference between us and XL, lower overheads and far less competition! How many airlines operated from LGW and MAN to the same destinations???
Good luck to all – I just hope I have a job over the winter.
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Jet2 are expanding....that gave me a laugh!!!
So why is there a large Jet2-shaped door at the exit to MAN airport where they are leaving in such a hurry?
Once FR decide to finish them off at LBA they'll be gone.
As for PMs statement, methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Be interesting to see what the result is when actual figures are submitted in Nov.
Everything else is just bluff and bluster.
So why is there a large Jet2-shaped door at the exit to MAN airport where they are leaving in such a hurry?
Once FR decide to finish them off at LBA they'll be gone.
As for PMs statement, methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Be interesting to see what the result is when actual figures are submitted in Nov.
Everything else is just bluff and bluster.
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The fact is Jet2 have avery tight control on costs, like him or loath him PM is a very shrewed business man. Those that have met him recently will know that he is very boyant right know and yes the business is doing well.
I find it amazing that people on here "wish" bad fortunes on others, The demise of XL is very sad and I sincerely hope that those people who find themselfs out of work THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN get full employment soon.
PM built Jet2 off the back off 9/11 when aircraft were cheap etc, if i am right he will be planning to take advantage of the market that is developing now. Remember Dartgroup do NOT have the debts / leasing commitments that others have.
I find it amazing that people on here "wish" bad fortunes on others, The demise of XL is very sad and I sincerely hope that those people who find themselfs out of work THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN get full employment soon.
PM built Jet2 off the back off 9/11 when aircraft were cheap etc, if i am right he will be planning to take advantage of the market that is developing now. Remember Dartgroup do NOT have the debts / leasing commitments that others have.
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So why is there a large Jet2-shaped door at the exit to MAN airport where they are leaving in such a hurry?
Once FR decide to finish them off at LBA they'll be gone.
Once FR decide to finish them off at LBA they'll be gone.
Can't see FR finishing anyone off at LBA just yet as the airport will not let them exspand anymore, hence the large number of aircraft returning to LBA for the summer season. But stranger things have happened.
But only my view think no airline is really safe at this time, it just looks like the ones with the least debt may morelikely survive, but hay lets see. Don't like to see anyone lose there job in this industry, and would not wish the loss of a airline upon anyone.