Jet2 - 3

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There is no doubt that the whole issue of the recent commission payments could have been handled better.

However, strike action is always the last possible course of action open to union members once certain legal hurdles have been under-taken.

One action for those who do not like the situation, their compensation, or their conditions is to leave the company - no one is forcing you to stay.

BTW - I signed for fuel today, yesterday, and the day before that.

[nclops]

Agree or disagree it's a forum and Gingaworm is entitled to his or her opinion.

Yes, he/she is entitled to his/her opinion but he/she wasn't voicing their opinion, they were making a statement which was simply untrue and potentially damaging to others!

[ncleflights]

Now management at LS have decided to cut back comission paid to cabin crew this coming only a few weeks after the email encouraging staff to buy shares.

This must ring alarm bells for the folks working at LS that the airline is in trouble. I hope they can get themselves sorted as they are a good airline with a lot of good folks working for them. However and its a big however as things stand I know of now other company on the scale of LS in recent times that has reduced staff's wages, which is in effect what reducing comission is, to help keep going and succeded.

[Channex101]

I understand what everyone is saying with regard the company cutting costs to survive, and yes we will all have jobs, but they pay is what attracts some of us to this company, its not a bad paid airline. (untill now lol)
What im hacked off at is the fact that the pay cut is not company wide, cut EVERYONES wage, not just the crew. But lets get technical about it, they are being very very sly about this, our commission is not in our contract, its an extra to what are wage is, therefore they can get away with it.
To add insult to injury we were all "made" to attend a voluntary roadshow (which no one got paid for - if it was explained it was vol i wouldnt have gone) and we had sales forced down our neck, tought how to suck eggs and tell us that the company wants to make 8mil instead of 5mil in onboard sales, yet the people that sell it are getting shafted left right and centre at moment. A lot of experienced crews have took this as the straw that broke the camels back and are looking elsewhere, its a shame, Jet2 are about to loose a lot of good crew.... Its going to cost them more in the long run, A good 15 crew inc senior trainers have just left MAN to go to BA - dont blame them!

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FLB- Changing conditions or terms which affect your compensation which are not explicitly in your contract is not a material change, and therefore will not be determined as constructive dismissal. A material change, which necessarily implies a contract change, that is forced upon you causing you to resign is constructive dismissal.

It seems the former applies in this case. I suspect they have done their homework with reference to employment law.

I have not heard of a single CC talk of a strike. Only on this forum. As stated, you can't just say 'strike', and the next moment set up a picket line. There is a legal course of action to take. As an aside, I don't know of any cabin crew who are even in a union, so it would be very difficult. En-masse resignations would be a different matter, however.

[dominic.kane]

Shame to see a good airline with good crew going this way! Can't help thinking that retrenchment to LBA (and deserting PAX at other airports) rather than targetted expansion at MAN/NCL (and others) wasn't the greatest idea - see my previous post. At the end of the day its the customers that pay the wages and make the profits!

[Homesick]

I believe the company is taking advantage of the present climate to target the workforce they believe will take it on the chin. If things are that bad they need to take a relative small amount of cash from the cabin crew to keep Jet2 afloat then we are in serious trouble. The cabin crew are the face of the company. They are the front line staff. They have been made to feel worthless. I have never worked with such de moralised crew in all my years of flying, and our passengers will pick up on it.

A large number of cabin crew are looking elsewhere for a job but I doubt many will leave, and this the company knows. I do not like selfish views of some of the flight deck on here who believe it should be just accepted. Would they just accept a company policy of only getting sector pay if they burnt less than plog fuel, or you had to be in the top 100 of the fuel league table.

The company is penny pinching and taking it from the most vulnerable in the company. This low moral has spread to the flight deck. I only wished the company realised how many are looking for jobs elsewhere, me included. I do not believe the company is anywhere near going out of business, just taking advantage of the present financial climate. Fuel has gone up and will continue to rise. This has to be passed on to the traveller, not taken out of staffs wages so our passengers don't foot the bill. I can't see shell reducing staffs salary to ensure I continue fuelling my car with their petrol!

[MMENCLLBAMAN]

Passengers already picked up on it!!

I have never worked with such de moralised crew in all my years of flying, and our passengers will pick up on it.

Flew back from AGP last week and CDG more recently (dont want to give exact details in case get the crew in trouble) and I can say that the crew on both flights were certainly not trying to hide their frustrations - I was sat at the front of the aircraft as usual and the conversations regarding commissions (have to make more than £750 per flight in order to be paid or something along those lines) and the possibility of strike actions was the hot topic in the galley with little regard to who could hear.

I understand completley the sentiments of anyone who has had a part of their wage taken away, however I would recommend caution about who is in ear shot.

[dochealth]

Dochealth

Hi,

Due to fly Dub - Verona on Jet 2 in mid June for family holiday..

Do Jet 2 insiders think you will still be flying in 2 months??

[Channex101]

YES!!! its all crap what people are saying, the airline has ALWAYS made a profit since day one.... just this year its not gonig to be as big s forcasted, but still a minumin of say 5 Million... so no probs!
How come your flying DUB-VRN with us? must be a charter anyway not an actual Jet2 flight

[Channex101]

A shame you had to hear that, althought I really dont want to fly for Jet2 at the moment I wouldnt be calling them in front of passengers, but when your try to be positive and your kicked when your down it is hard to stay positive.

[flybar]

I dont work for Jet2 but do travel with them and have been very happy with the level of service. From my own observations I would have thought that £750 was easy to take on a flight from say LBA to AGP?

[Channex101]

Yes it is but thats not the point, if we take 1500 on the bar the first 700 is excluded, so thats commission on £800, its not a lot of commission compared to last year when we got commission on full amount

[Facelookbovvered]

Dochealth

I wouldn't worry about your flight, Jet2 will still be around, although i think £5m is rather wish than a cert. This months seems to be bash Jet2 time, last month it was bmibaby the month before it was Globespan next month it will be someone else 99.9 % of people (me included) have no idea on how much or little any of these companies are making. Having said that clearly Jet2 are cutting costs and try to increase their prices,with fuel charges and changes to bagage allowances but i would be more concerned if they weren't.

[trebor]

During my time as cabin crew we had to get over target which was 1400GBP before we even got commision (ten years ago) and the pax had inflight meals and tea and coffee free , then you would get 10 per cent split between the crew. I have also worked for a now defunct airline where my salary was cut.
Work harder and get the sales in . Stick together as a team , is it not better to have a job then be unemployed. The grass isnt always greener on the other side and I think cabin crew have it much easier these days

[dochealth]

dochealth

Thanks for reassurance

Yes, its a charter, booked with Inghams but with Jet 2 as carrier...

[Leodis]

Extra charters are one of the ways in which the airline can make a healthy profit. One of the sad aspects of forums such as this is that past employees that have perhaps left on bad terms and people who basically know sod all about the industry can post here. Basically everything is open to interpretation rather than knowing the facts. From what I can tell, apart from the odd service which may not be performing so well, the airline is doing well on most routes.

[gearupflapsupshutup]

just noticed that BA dropped the MAN - JFK !
maybe time for a LCC to give it a go! (After all those rumours about Jet2 crossing the pond thought this might give it the push)

Best of luck to everybody in Jet2, keep it up, the glass is alway.....! I believe it will be there in over the next 30 years!

[tonker]

Funny you should mention the NY thing, just wait till tommorow for the "Big announcement"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Channex101]

oh god, another big announcement eh...
trebor.... the grass might not be greener on the other side, but it might just taste sweeter!