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Old 24th Mar 2007, 21:10
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It would be too difficult for me to speculate on where they may go, although I think JFK is a dead cert...in fact, I think a trip to Ladbrokes is in order on that one.

They will have to be very careful indeed though, because a lot of airlines are going to open up new LHR-USA routes and the competition will be fierce, there will be a price war, and it could get very ugly very fast for some of the airlines involved.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 01:16
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What will BMI with a flight each day bring to the market? The front end requires a couple of flights per day at least so I guess MAN-US gets dumoed PDQ.
I reckon it will Mumbai all over again.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 10:59
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New bmi Routes

My comments are from a 'would like' rather than potentially viable point of view. I would love to see bmi compete against BA/Delta on a LHR-ATL route. I have travelled with both BA & bmi and feel the on board service with bmi is far superior, especially in 'the business'. BA load factor, especially in the summer, always seems to be very very good. Overbooked in economy, world traveller and usually full in club. Apologies if I have the cabin descriptions wrong

What are the thoughts from those of you in the know!!!!
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 11:12
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Really cant see BMI launching an MCO from LHR, the LON - MCO/SFB route is already very well served with VS having upto 3x daily flights from LGW, BA 1x daily, numerous charters to SFB and the connections with US, UA, AA, MP, NW, DL, FI, CO, AC etc.

NYC and BOS are prob a dead cert as no Star carriers serve this direct from LHR
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 12:27
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Open skies could shut local routes

For a better idea of what may really happen this item is in todays Observer gives a view of bmi plans after open skies.
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Whitehall sources have indicated that the deal, which allows all EU carriers to fly to the US, will mean some will switch capacity from domestic routes to the US, 'squeezing out' links to UK regions.
Government officials are concerned airlines such as BMI will switch their Heathrow take-off and landing slots from routes serving the regions to US routes in search of higher revenues.
BMI chief executive Nigel Turner said he expected to switch domestic routes to the US when the 'open skies' deal comes into effect next spring. He said BMI is likely to start with three flights a day, possibly to Chicago, Charlotte, North Carolina or New York. BMI plans to buy another three Airbus A330 planes to service the routes. The airline is looking to expand US routes in future.
Turner said: 'Inevitably there will be some reduction in short-haul flying' and added that increases to air passenger duty, which is levied on each take-off and landing in the UK, would mean UK regional routes would be the most likely to be re-allocated.
He added that BMI would look to reduce business-class fares across the Atlantic by some 10 per cent and ruled out any sale of its Heathrow slots.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 15:31
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I think you have it in one. Open skys will be the killing of BMI not the making. The brand is not strong enough overseas.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 18:46
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I'm not sure I'd say that it will be the "killing of them" as I think that's a bit melodramatic. However, if rumours are true that bmi has sold all of BMed's slots to BA as part of the price for BA's short-term assent to the deal, then they will probably need to rob five or six short-haul slots a day to keep the BMed network flying; and then another three for their transatlantic aspirations.

That's nine a day. One can't help but think that this doesn't look like good news for the Embraer-operated routes ex LHR like TeesSide and Hannover, which would presumably be the first ones to be axed.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 18:52
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All the bmed slots haven't been sold off BMI gain control of them on the 28th Oct.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 19:38
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Err no - bmi already have full control of BMed and the routes including the bilateral clearances to fly to places like Iran, Kazakhstan, Russia etc will be operated under bmi branding from October. However, bmi has sold some (if not all) of the runway slots at Heathrow originally held by BMed to British Airways. It needed BA's agreement for BMed to continue operating the routes as a BA franchisee for Summer 2007 (there is a change of ownership clause in franchise agreements which gives BA the right to terminate ASAP if the ownership of a franchisee passes into "unfriendly" hands) and the price of getting that agreement was apparently selling a load of LHR slots to BA.

The BMed routes are therefore passing to bmi, but that doesn't automatically mean that the Heathrow slots currently used to fly them will follow.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 20:05
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I like the bit about 3 more A330s, could this be them finally getting back the Emirates one, as well as two more? I doubt it like, they'll probably convert 3 of the 4 A332 options they have, although I doubt that as well, as they have probably expired, so, will they purchase 3 new ones, or source 3 second hand ones? I would have thought the second hand A330 market would be almost non-existant.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 20:16
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If BMI sold the BMed slots to BA, what exactly did BMI buy and why didn't BA just asset strip BMed themselves? After all nearly everything of BMed is leased therefore the main things that BMed have are established routes (albeit quite thin on certain ones), crews (again thinning with the prospect of operating 4 sector days) and the slots. Therefore unless they resold the slots on for a significant amount more than they acquired the company for, the deal seems uneconomical for BMI
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 20:16
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i believe there coming from AF.

An internal memo within bmi states that all bmed slot belong to bmi now. They haven't meniond anything about selling them on.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 20:32
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The main benefit for bmi appears to be access to BMed's markets under the restrictive arrangements in place between the UK and countries like Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan etc. For example, UK carriers can only offer seven flights per week to Baku, three to Almaty etc - and BMed holds the full quota of rights available, which means that no other UK airline can enter the routes and compete with them.

BA would have almost certainly faced an OFT / Takeover Panel enquiry if it had bought BMed itself. In this way, it has obtained what it really wants - more LHR slots - without needing to go through any of the hassle of regulatory clearances for the deal.

BMed slots do indeed belong to bmi at the moment, but there is nothing to stop them selling them onwards at any time to suit. Doing so has no bearing on the routes and aircraft - for example, you could quite happily use former BMed route rights, aircraft and crews to operate a daily service to Tehran using a bmi runway slot previously used for LHR-Paris or something like that.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 20:57
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I've had enough of idiots on this site, goodnight flightrider.
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Old 25th Mar 2007, 21:30
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Your choice to ignore the comments and I don't see what is idiotic about them. You and I have had previous exchanges before on this site about bmi slots, and I don't think I've been wrong (yet) on this subject. That said, there is always a first time. Can I suggest that you ask Nigel Turner whether there is any deal (either already complete or in the offing) to sell any/all BMed Heathrow slots to BA and let me know his answer?

The route rights were the key thing that bmi wanted from BMed. bmi already has enough LHR slots and the deal with BA will offset a large part of the funding that bmi had to inject into BMed at the time of the deal's completion. It is actually quite a smart way forward for bmi and I can't see any grounds for being critical of its actions.
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Old 26th Mar 2007, 07:48
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OK hands up, that was very harsh. But I was tired and was half way through my third malty ale.
No time now to post a full reply but I do get annoyed when people dress up speculation as fact.
But please accept my apologies for the tone of my post.
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Old 26th Mar 2007, 19:27
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New route for bmi regional announced today - the former BAConnect service from Manchester to Lyon. Starts 25th May and operates daily.
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Old 26th Mar 2007, 20:09
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Arebmi still planning on doing EDI/MAN-SOU?
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Old 30th Mar 2007, 11:34
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They are apparently still thinking about SOU but other things might overtake that on the priority list of things to do.

An article has just appeared in the Times Online to say that bmi has apparently sold 51 weekly Heathrow slots to BA for 30m.

It is rather a coincidence on two fronts:

51 is exactly the number of weekly slots held by BMed at Heathrow this summer.

The purchase price of 30m bears a striking similarity to the amount that bmi paid for BMed.

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Old 30th Mar 2007, 12:28
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Seems a bit redundant. all they really get is the routes (which they now have to use their own slots so somethings gonna get chopped). also 8 plus an extra 5 a/c.
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