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Your probably correct. Not many carriers get AC then change the engine type. Ususally because there have been many other examples available either new or on lease. However, if the AC is relatively rare and commanding high lease rates, then I guess some may investigate the possibility of doing the above. Its all relative though, as the same airframe can have differing values due to cabin fit/engine type/avioincs fit etc. With market forces at work it is partially dependant upon the airlines' attitude to financial risk as to the path they take.
DTV the cabin is far more complex with the modern IFE systems and galleys now being used. So if operators have 2 main galleys and a 3 class layout it will obvioulsy be of little need to a one class/ charter operator. bmi along with lots of other operators have a set service plan. Its much easier to have a common cabin layout, so trying to achieve commonality with used AC is harder than new airframes built to customer requirements. An engine change is completed in a day a cabin config change with ife systems galley changes with all the services modded and a new installation plus the re-weigh starts at weeks not days , all with the obvious cost implications.
6 If bmi bmi took A330's with Ge motors then they would have problems with etops. If the GE's were operated on non etops routes it may help. But the engineers usually get approvals for the ac type with a specified engine. They can gain approvals for other engine types if the company so wishes. If bmi used a third party engineering down route they usually provide cover based on the AC spec bmi gives them. So if they have no approvals then they can't sign off items, so less attractive to bmi. Cost to bmi would be if they needed to send engineers on courses, but this is small beer compared to securing an AC and the extra revenue it brings. This is balanced however by the actual sense of operating mixed types. Whole company is now single fleet (big savings). As for your douwnroute scenari, its much better to get a company with approvals, so not really an extra cost to bmi, only for the 3rd party if they need to get approvals to secure a contract with bmi. An engineer can give you a more concise answer!
DTV the cabin is far more complex with the modern IFE systems and galleys now being used. So if operators have 2 main galleys and a 3 class layout it will obvioulsy be of little need to a one class/ charter operator. bmi along with lots of other operators have a set service plan. Its much easier to have a common cabin layout, so trying to achieve commonality with used AC is harder than new airframes built to customer requirements. An engine change is completed in a day a cabin config change with ife systems galley changes with all the services modded and a new installation plus the re-weigh starts at weeks not days , all with the obvious cost implications.
6 If bmi bmi took A330's with Ge motors then they would have problems with etops. If the GE's were operated on non etops routes it may help. But the engineers usually get approvals for the ac type with a specified engine. They can gain approvals for other engine types if the company so wishes. If bmi used a third party engineering down route they usually provide cover based on the AC spec bmi gives them. So if they have no approvals then they can't sign off items, so less attractive to bmi. Cost to bmi would be if they needed to send engineers on courses, but this is small beer compared to securing an AC and the extra revenue it brings. This is balanced however by the actual sense of operating mixed types. Whole company is now single fleet (big savings). As for your douwnroute scenari, its much better to get a company with approvals, so not really an extra cost to bmi, only for the 3rd party if they need to get approvals to secure a contract with bmi.
An engineer can give you a more concise answer!
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bmiBaby missed another trick?
In view of Sterling's relatively recent announcement that they'll be operating EMA-CPH/OSL/ARN from October I'm just wondering if people think bmiBaby might have missed a trick here and if they'd been a bit more bold could(should?) have been operating these services.
IMO EMA has been crying out for services to Scandinavia for some time.
Thoughts anyone?
IMO EMA has been crying out for services to Scandinavia for some time.
Thoughts anyone?
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I may be wrong, but aren't all the UK/Egypt rights currently in use? If so, that would mean Alexandria is being dropped in favour of Cairo?
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My info is that they are 330-343X - open to correction.
here's the AC page on them
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/a330-300.html
My info is that they are 330-343X - open to correction.
here's the AC page on them
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/a330-300.html
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British Midland Airways (BMI) to Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/875465.html
Prospects abound for new U.K., domestic flights
British Midland Airways (BMI) is ready to become the second discount carrier to fly between the U.K. and Israel. TheMarker learned yesterday that Transportation Ministry Director General Gideon Siterman discussed the idea with the airline's heads at the Paris Air Show. Thomsonfly was the first carrier to receive approval earlier this month. BMI is the U.K.'s second-largest carrier after British Airways, with a 12 percent market share of flights in and out of Heathrow Airport in London. Israeli and U.K. officials met in February to discuss expanding the number of carriers between the two countries beyond El Al and British Airways as part of Israel's new open skies policy.
Prospects abound for new U.K., domestic flights
British Midland Airways (BMI) is ready to become the second discount carrier to fly between the U.K. and Israel. TheMarker learned yesterday that Transportation Ministry Director General Gideon Siterman discussed the idea with the airline's heads at the Paris Air Show. Thomsonfly was the first carrier to receive approval earlier this month. BMI is the U.K.'s second-largest carrier after British Airways, with a 12 percent market share of flights in and out of Heathrow Airport in London. Israeli and U.K. officials met in February to discuss expanding the number of carriers between the two countries beyond El Al and British Airways as part of Israel's new open skies policy.
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New managing Director at bmi
Heard on the grapevine that Peter Spencer (ex Maersk/Duo) is to be appointed Managing Director at bmi !
As an ex Maersk/Duo employee, I certainly have my opinions ...
As an ex Maersk/Duo employee, I certainly have my opinions ...
5 more A330`s plus 5 more A321`s 
Dear Colleague
As you know the board has over recent months been reviewing its strategy for the development of new mid haul and long haul routes from Heathrow. I am delighted to tell you that the main board has unanimously authorised the acquisition of ten additional aircraft to our current fleet to support our strategy.
An additional five Airbus A330 aircraft valued at around $500m will join the three similar aircraft that we now operate with the first additional aircraft expected to be delivered in Spring 2008.
In addition, following on from our acquisition of BMED earlier in the year, bmi will also take delivery of five new Airbus A321 aircraft valued at $250m. This will enable us to further expand our medium haul network.
This is tremendous news for us and enables us to implement our strategy to further develop our long and medium haul route networks over the coming years. It will give us the headroom to introduce new routes and services as well as the ability to increase capacities on existing destinations where the demand exists.
As we move forward towards the full integration of the former BMED network I hope very soon to be able to tell you of our plans for the forthcoming winter period that commences on 28th October. This will include enhanced frequencies as well as new routes. I also expect to be able to let you know shortly about our specific network plans for our long haul operations.
The board and the shareholders’ approval for these ten additional aircraft is a clear indication that they have every confidence in the business and its growth and development and it sends out a clear message of their continued support and commitment to bmi.
Kind regards
Dear Colleague
As you know the board has over recent months been reviewing its strategy for the development of new mid haul and long haul routes from Heathrow. I am delighted to tell you that the main board has unanimously authorised the acquisition of ten additional aircraft to our current fleet to support our strategy.
An additional five Airbus A330 aircraft valued at around $500m will join the three similar aircraft that we now operate with the first additional aircraft expected to be delivered in Spring 2008.
In addition, following on from our acquisition of BMED earlier in the year, bmi will also take delivery of five new Airbus A321 aircraft valued at $250m. This will enable us to further expand our medium haul network.
This is tremendous news for us and enables us to implement our strategy to further develop our long and medium haul route networks over the coming years. It will give us the headroom to introduce new routes and services as well as the ability to increase capacities on existing destinations where the demand exists.
As we move forward towards the full integration of the former BMED network I hope very soon to be able to tell you of our plans for the forthcoming winter period that commences on 28th October. This will include enhanced frequencies as well as new routes. I also expect to be able to let you know shortly about our specific network plans for our long haul operations.
The board and the shareholders’ approval for these ten additional aircraft is a clear indication that they have every confidence in the business and its growth and development and it sends out a clear message of their continued support and commitment to bmi.
Kind regards
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10 New Aircraft for bmi
Looks like the expansion we were all predicting is going to happen.
5 new 330's with the first arriving spring 2008 to add to the existing 3.
5 additional 321's as part of the BMed integration (already ordered before the acquisition)
All in all it should mean about 50+ new commands (at current crewing ratios)!
Good news indeed for all those SFO's who decided not to jump ship!
5 new 330's with the first arriving spring 2008 to add to the existing 3.
5 additional 321's as part of the BMed integration (already ordered before the acquisition)
All in all it should mean about 50+ new commands (at current crewing ratios)!
Good news indeed for all those SFO's who decided not to jump ship!
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The new A321 will be equipped for medium haul routes with belly tanks etc and configured in split cabin configurations.
The original bmi A321 were not suitable for longer range journeys and were returned at the end of current leases.
The original bmi A321 were not suitable for longer range journeys and were returned at the end of current leases.
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I get the impression that this is separate to the 20+20 a/c order? Specifically because, the A330s at least, are for when open skies comes into play, yet the tender for the 20+20 aircraft order went out before open skies was approved.
I assume this aircraft announcement at 7AM tomorrow is the A330s/A321s and not the 20+20 order?
I assume this aircraft announcement at 7AM tomorrow is the A330s/A321s and not the 20+20 order?