NEWCASTLE - 6

[ncleflights]

Open Skies

SWBKCB I agree 100% with your comments to start to apply logic to the airline business is a dangerous game.

Like you I think at the very least in th short term Open Skies will be a disastor for the regions. I would expect in the NE we will loose BMI from MME and a couple of BA slots NCL to LHR as they need the slots for the transatlantic bun fight thats sure to begin. I can't see a NCL - JFK/EWR for a few years yet as the big carriers try and slog it out at European hubs. CO have already cut back at BHX I believe and colleagues in BRS are telling me the rumour their is that CO are going to reduce frequency. This doesn't look good for NCL, the best chance may now be to try and get someone like flyglobspan to do the route.

Perhaps someone in the know at NIA can shed some light as to what is going on with finding a replacement for AA

Thanks

[skyman771]

SWBKCB

you're applying logic and this is about the airline business...

This is simply a cliche, & here's another 'business is business'...
Ncleflights

CO have already cut back at BHX I believe and colleagues in BRS are telling me the rumour their is that CO are going to reduce frequency.

Is this really anything to do with 'Open Skies' or simply that market forces are dictating that between load factors & revenue per seat the returns are insufficient ?

I can't see a NCL - JFK/EWR for a few years yet ...........

Adopting your own views on 'Open Skies' I'm surprised that you haven't replaced 'for a few years yet' with 'Never' . On this I would be inclined to agree except that I was taught never to take 'never' as an answer.......
One final reference to pick up on, & it's of course 'AA'. It is quite interesting that at least three separate postings have in their castigation of Mr P managed to bring in a reference to 'AA', now why is this ??

[Confirmed Must Ride]

CO have just increased frequency for BRSEWR service.

[10 DME ARC]

Of interest to any private pilots out there the airport has scrapped peak period landing charges for based light aircraft. They are also willing to consider new based light aircraft.

[HH6702]

AA pull out

I heard it was because of landing charges increases a few months later.
The contract between NIA and AA then had to be changed and AA decided then to pull the plug, nothing to do with forward bookings.

maybe we will get told one day what really happened.

[HH6702]

Open Skies

It depends on how you look at this if it will be good or bad for NCL.

If all airlines want to fly from LHR then theres going to be too many seats on sale which will result in lower fares and a drop in margins for airlines which will result in airlines making a loss and in turn looking to pull off the route.

Some airlines i think will look into other local airports and if they can get a good deal with landing charges and no competition then they are in with a chance. this means that at the correct fares and profit margins it would make better sence for the airline rather than LHR.

Lets wait and see how NCL gets on with EK flying to dubai for a year.
lets see what the pax figures are like and if we still have the route daily!!

[HH6702]

PAX figures

anybody got the loadings for JAN and FEB 2007??

[son of a .....]

AA

I don’t know about all these conspiracy theories but I do remember the AA press release which really pushed the fact it was not Newcastle Airport’s fault it pulled the service?

[ncleflights]

skyman771

If I can pick up on one of your quotes-

One final reference to pick up on, & it's of course 'AA'. It is quite interesting that at least three separate postings have in their castigation of Mr P managed to bring in a reference to 'AA', now why is this

My original reference to the AA pull out had nothing to do with Mr P simply a general question, if you read it it has not reference to him at all!!!

[CentreFix25]

I heard it was because of landing charges increases a few months later.
The contract between NIA and AA then had to be changed and AA decided then to pull the plug, nothing to do with forward bookings.

Rubbish, as previously discussed to death on this forum. Numerous factors contributed to the route cancellation, one of which was forward bookings. Nothing to do with landing fees, which would have been rock bottom to attract the route in the first place and wouldnt have been increased before the route started - that would have been the biggest own goal ever, these people at NCL are not stupid.

[Brad the Impaler]

One final reference to pick up on, & it's of course 'AA'. It is quite interesting that at least three separate postings have in their castigation of Mr P managed to bring in a reference to 'AA', now why is this ??

Just wait and see what the investigation into what Ops Guy describes as "Mr P's norty boy" antics reveals. As the saying goes - "theres no smoke without fire"
I do believe that it wasn't about landing fees per se but rather about "Fuel cost" as AA admitted in their statement. Now, connect the dots between AA and "Fuel Supply strategy" at Newcastle and Mr P's brutal rush to acquire absolute total control of the fuel supply and distribution and things start to add up to one of the biggest home goals ever.
Looks like changes are starting to happen straight away. The peak landing fee scheme was one of Mr P's ideas. Wonder what will go next now that someone sensible and personable with a long history at Newcastle is at the helm.

[Ops Guy]

Brad the impaler

I feel I must correct you on what you have written as this isn't what I wrote earlier in the thread!!

Just wait and see what the investigation into what Ops Guy describes as "Mr P's norty boy" antics reveals

I in fact wrote;

So Mr P may have been a norty boy!!!

Apologies all for being so pedantic on this one. Wouldn't want anyone misinterpret-ing what I have written!!

[transwede]

Has anyone else realised how busy NCL is over the past few days with newe based aircraft arriving from LS and EZY. The apron looks quite jam packed at the moment of an evening and theres still all the charters to arrive in time for 1st May, another TOM and TCX, plus 2 XLA of some variety.

Nice to see the summer again and a busy scene.

[SWBKCB]

Probably why there were 2 Eastern Jetstreams parked up southside outside the old Gill hangar this morning...

[skyman771]

With all this talk about increase in movements airside, perhaps it has gone un noticed the absolute chaos that is being caused by the new short term parking arrangements. With no more space to work with some 'genius' has managed to add to what was a complete mess, albeit logical, by dividing the area up into two separate areas one of which has 10 minutes free, the other not. To infrequent punters signs are similar & little advance warning, with only the same two exit machines more confusion on amount payable is now adding further delay to what was already a nightmare. More division of this area also add's to frustration as exits are frequently blocked. These issues are every bit as important to resolve as the availability airside of aircraft stands, if NCL wants to successfully proceed with it's summer increase in services and deal with the extra volume of cars that will ensue.

[SWBKCB]

Well said!

I was up there this morning, and while it was by no means busy, an absolute shambles

[simonwa]

Jet2 delays

Anyone know why the Jet2 flights to Chambery have been delayed both today and yesterday? It was over 5 hours late yesterday and is showing 4.5 hour delay today? Hope this isn't a sign of things to come from Jet2 this summer?

[mmeteesside]

Well CELO has been operating Globespan flights over the past few days, alongside LR, LF etc

[HH6702]

Jet2 winter 07/08

Should be on sale soon.
some flights are now on sale from manchester.

Im taking a guess that we will see 4 new routes

[Bam Thwok]

Not sure, but a Globespan 733 operated the Jet2 Chamberry flight yesterday. I believe a problem with either LA or LO.

That was Jet2's G:CELR....it's painted in Globespan colours.