DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 4
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I think they almost pulled out this year but left it too late, however I do know there is no TOM crews based here at MME this summer, NCL will crew everything. Therefore this summer had to go ahead but then after that will not.
On the subject of XL, well if you look at the NCL base this winter they are selling only 4 destinations so far, compared to their usual 10-15 for the winter (and I think 15-20 in the summer?). This adds weight to the rumour of XL pulling out of NCL.
There also rumours of interesting destinations by FlyGlobespan next summer, not just Europe either.
If everything comes off as planned then it could well be a very interesting summer in 2008!
On the subject of XL, well if you look at the NCL base this winter they are selling only 4 destinations so far, compared to their usual 10-15 for the winter (and I think 15-20 in the summer?). This adds weight to the rumour of XL pulling out of NCL.
There also rumours of interesting destinations by FlyGlobespan next summer, not just Europe either.
If everything comes off as planned then it could well be a very interesting summer in 2008!
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I've been told XL and LS are equally unhappy at NCL, I doubt we'll get LS though!!
I think GSM could very easily operate MME-JFK 1x weekly successfully, along with a couple of other long haul destinations, I believe SFB and YHM are the rumoured ones, right mmeteesside?
I think GSM could very easily operate MME-JFK 1x weekly successfully, along with a couple of other long haul destinations, I believe SFB and YHM are the rumoured ones, right mmeteesside?
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I know it is early and lots of things can change between now and Summer 2008, but it also appears that MyTravel have cut the Palma, Alicante and Paphos flights for 2008 too. They are not in the brochure and not available to book on the website either. Having said this there is still lots of confusion as Thomas Cook has Corfu on TOM in the 2008 brochure.
If this is all correct, I am surprised at such huge cutbacks by Thomson. We were not expecting a base but to go from the amount of flights this year to just 3 destinations next year is terrible. Do the people of the Tees Valley really only want to go to Majorca, Ibiza and Benidorm? Or I guess they are expecting us to travel to Newcastle to go anywhere else. Looks like the airport will be relying on Flyglobespan for a lot of business next year and will have a job on their hands to persuade people to book direct with flyglobespan and not go to a travel agent and be told to fly from up the road. (and believe me, I have been to 3 travel agents in Darlington today to book a holiday and they all suggest going from Newcastle as a first option)
Some good news is the Ryanair Gerona flight, 4497 pax in March which I work out to be about a 84% load factor, and even Dublin picked up to about a 64%load factor.
If this is all correct, I am surprised at such huge cutbacks by Thomson. We were not expecting a base but to go from the amount of flights this year to just 3 destinations next year is terrible. Do the people of the Tees Valley really only want to go to Majorca, Ibiza and Benidorm? Or I guess they are expecting us to travel to Newcastle to go anywhere else. Looks like the airport will be relying on Flyglobespan for a lot of business next year and will have a job on their hands to persuade people to book direct with flyglobespan and not go to a travel agent and be told to fly from up the road. (and believe me, I have been to 3 travel agents in Darlington today to book a holiday and they all suggest going from Newcastle as a first option)
Some good news is the Ryanair Gerona flight, 4497 pax in March which I work out to be about a 84% load factor, and even Dublin picked up to about a 64%load factor.
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The mergers of MyTravel Airways/Thomas Cook Airlines and First Choice Airways/TUI Group could effect us. The way I see it, XL is our only hope, let's hope the airport has the sense to treat them well this summer.
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The MyTravel Paphos flight would go, TOM fly it. As for the other 2, well maybe not such a strange decision, based on the fact that Thomas Cook fly them, and also the likely amount of flights by FlyGlobespan next summer to those 2 destinations.
Still a lot of twists and turns to go yet, especially when the mergers take shape at the end of the year.
Still a lot of twists and turns to go yet, especially when the mergers take shape at the end of the year.
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No chance of XL basing an aircraft out of MME!
NCL is very profitable in the summer and the lack of winter flying ex NCL is due to a company wide cut in capacity. I believe they are concentrating on long haul in the winter as most of the other a/c go on lease to the US and Canada.
From my sources (XLA Head Office Employee), I hear XL are very happy with NCL so don't know where that runour has come from!
The MME PFO rotation is an ex-aJEt route I believe so it is not necessarily new - correct me if I am wrong?
NCL is very profitable in the summer and the lack of winter flying ex NCL is due to a company wide cut in capacity. I believe they are concentrating on long haul in the winter as most of the other a/c go on lease to the US and Canada.
From my sources (XLA Head Office Employee), I hear XL are very happy with NCL so don't know where that runour has come from!
The MME PFO rotation is an ex-aJEt route I believe so it is not necessarily new - correct me if I am wrong?
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But this is the real world! in reality the residents of Teesside are well served for local airports, the distance - access time to reach NCL for most of those living in Teesside is actually better than for many living in other parts of the country to reach an airport with that level of services. In addition those residents living to the South have other options. Given the demographics of the North East then it is well served for airports, albeit long haul requires considerable improvement. So yes unfortunately you are required to travel to access many of those routes where traffic volume does not justify duplication. Unfortunately as in any business there are always going to be winners, others need to adapt their business model accordingly to survive.
Or I guess they are expecting us to travel to Newcastle to go anywhere else.
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The argument is that NCL has more than its fair share, many want to fly from MME but can't. I know it supply and demand but we have the situation of the supply is there at NCL and the those that want to get to said destination have to go from NCL, no one is listening to the demand. What we want to see is a little more redistribution of flights between NCL and MME. Of those 400,000 a month I bet a good 70,000 live closer to MME than NCL and thats a conservative estimate. Yes you have economies of scale etc... at NCL but if you redistributed 70,000 MME you would see some at MME as well.
To be a little controversial, if the, (ex) not sure if he is yet, director at NCL is found to be guilty of whatever he's done (which i've heard on the rumour mill could include back handers) will someone like the office of fair trading step in and remove flights from NCL as it could be said some of the business going NCL's way was ill gotten!!!!
To be a little controversial, if the, (ex) not sure if he is yet, director at NCL is found to be guilty of whatever he's done (which i've heard on the rumour mill could include back handers) will someone like the office of fair trading step in and remove flights from NCL as it could be said some of the business going NCL's way was ill gotten!!!!
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To be a little controversial, if the, (ex) not sure if he is yet, director at NCL is found to be guilty of whatever he's done (which i've heard on the rumour mill could include back handers) will someone like the office of fair trading step in and remove flights from NCL as it could be said some of the business going NCL's way was ill gotten!!!!
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BRS is still showing in the summer 2008 brochure things still changing daily.
up the road at ncl it looks like seats are now being sold to First choice. times on-line are the same as Thomson even though on FCA website it states FCA as the airline. I think that both DTV and NCL will loose out when the big 4 merge.
FCA this year are buying seats from TCX. Maybe MYT pax will go on TCX next summer so NCL will loose the MYT based aircraft!:
up the road at ncl it looks like seats are now being sold to First choice. times on-line are the same as Thomson even though on FCA website it states FCA as the airline. I think that both DTV and NCL will loose out when the big 4 merge.
FCA this year are buying seats from TCX. Maybe MYT pax will go on TCX next summer so NCL will loose the MYT based aircraft!:
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According to the Thomson website there are no long haul flights from Doncaster in 2008 with Thomson. With Liverpool going down to 4 destinations and Durham Tees 3, have Peel had a falling out with Thomson?
