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Waffler,
I read your thread. Agreed Eithad has not confirmed that they will but are looking at it.
But I disagree with what you said that "if they are clever they will not do ". Eithad is a new company only 3 years old and are gaining significant recognition for inflight service, there is only Gulf air and Aer Lingus to Dubai and Bahrain as you already know but the frequencies on each route are less than daily. Any company who can offer good service on new long distance routes that offer good connections to destinations such as Asia and Australia have got to be a winner.
Besides all that Eithad is government owned and profit is not always their primary objective. I could see it happening. So as far as I believe When an airline like Eithad wants to serve new destinations they dont worry too much about the competition. We need a good first class and premium service from Ireland on long haul . See passenger opinions of Eithad in the following link :
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/etihad.htm
I read your thread. Agreed Eithad has not confirmed that they will but are looking at it.
But I disagree with what you said that "if they are clever they will not do ". Eithad is a new company only 3 years old and are gaining significant recognition for inflight service, there is only Gulf air and Aer Lingus to Dubai and Bahrain as you already know but the frequencies on each route are less than daily. Any company who can offer good service on new long distance routes that offer good connections to destinations such as Asia and Australia have got to be a winner.
Besides all that Eithad is government owned and profit is not always their primary objective. I could see it happening. So as far as I believe When an airline like Eithad wants to serve new destinations they dont worry too much about the competition. We need a good first class and premium service from Ireland on long haul . See passenger opinions of Eithad in the following link :
http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/etihad.htm
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Besides all that Eithad is government owned and profit is not always their primary objective. I could see it happening. So as far as I believe When an airline like Eithad wants to serve new destinations they dont worry too much about the competition. We need a good first class and premium service from Ireland on long haul .
Exactly, making money for a lot of Gulf Airlines is not there main aim!! Bringing Business travellers, investment and tourists is more important! This is what EI is up against, and so its important that they hurry up, and sort out an EK alliance of sorts!
Besides all that Eithad is government owned and profit is not always their primary objective. I could see it happening. So as far as I believe When an airline like Eithad wants to serve new destinations they dont worry too much about the competition. We need a good first class and premium service from Ireland on long haul .
Exactly, making money for a lot of Gulf Airlines is not there main aim!! Bringing Business travellers, investment and tourists is more important! This is what EI is up against, and so its important that they hurry up, and sort out an EK alliance of sorts!
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Exactly, making money for a lot of Gulf Airlines is not there main aim!! Bringing Business travellers, investment and tourists is more important! This is what EI is up against, and so its important that they hurry up, and sort out an EK alliance of sorts![/quote]
I doubt EK are too keen for an alliance to be honest. Imagine selling a ticket from say Australia to Ireland in first class. Everything is fine on the first leg but Id wouldnt imagine the passenger would be to happy paying top dollar for EI's "first" class offering.
I doubt EK are too keen for an alliance to be honest. Imagine selling a ticket from say Australia to Ireland in first class. Everything is fine on the first leg but Id wouldnt imagine the passenger would be to happy paying top dollar for EI's "first" class offering.
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Well, I'm sure EI's first class offering is something that will be improved shortly. IF EI's J and Y product were improved, EK would have no reason to not want an alliance with EI. EI is a strong brand here, and could potentially take a large segment of the Ireland to Thailand, Australia etc market with an alliance with EK. I cant see why EK wouldnt want to be fed a plane load of Pax off an EI flight from DUB?
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Globespan- competition for Aer Lingus?
Yes- EI will experience additional competition for West of Ireland-resident traffic, but this will be limited in terms of capacity (see post #35 on IWAK thread re. greatly overstated expectations by IWAK management).
Moreover, given the current radial pattern of surface links in Ireland, where all roads (and railways) lead to Dublin, it's likely that EI's Dublin services will be affected more severely.
Moreover, given the current radial pattern of surface links in Ireland, where all roads (and railways) lead to Dublin, it's likely that EI's Dublin services will be affected more severely.
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They sent out this email to Gold Circle members in November. Although, it doesn't answer your questiondirectly, I suspect they wouldn't be looking at the frequent flyer arrangements if they didn't intend to continue with the interlining/code share arrangements
Following on from our earlier announcement in May of this year of our intention to leave the oneworld™ Alliance, I am writing to you to confirm that Aer Lingus will formally cease to be a member of the Alliance from 1st April 2007.
If you are planning to travel or redeem Gold Circle points with another oneworld™ carrier then please refer to the headings below for information on how this will affect you.
I am also glad to inform you that we expect to shortly announce separate frequent flyer agreements with American Airlines, Qantas and Cathay Pacific. These new arrangements will allow you to continue to enjoy the ability to both earn and redeem points for travel with these airlines. We expect Lounge access benefits to also form part of the new arrangements with American Airlines. We anticipate these arrangements to be finalised in the coming weeks and I will communicate the full details to you as soon as they are finalised.
We also hope to conclude negotiations with British Airways in the near future, and will announce accordingly
If you are planning to travel or redeem Gold Circle points with another oneworld™ carrier then please refer to the headings below for information on how this will affect you.
I am also glad to inform you that we expect to shortly announce separate frequent flyer agreements with American Airlines, Qantas and Cathay Pacific. These new arrangements will allow you to continue to enjoy the ability to both earn and redeem points for travel with these airlines. We expect Lounge access benefits to also form part of the new arrangements with American Airlines. We anticipate these arrangements to be finalised in the coming weeks and I will communicate the full details to you as soon as they are finalised.
We also hope to conclude negotiations with British Airways in the near future, and will announce accordingly
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Aircraft options
Sorry to return to a previous subject about Aer Lingus aircraft selection, but I just joined the forum. Some points...
- I have worked as an engineer very close to the 787 programme for 3 years and I cannot see how Boeing will begin deliveries on time in mid-2008 and keep up with the initially planned production rate; the short development time is just too aggressive; they just dropped the wireless IFE feature of the 787 - don't be surprised if more compromises are to come
- Boeing have not even launched the 787-10 (310+ seater) that is a potential A330-300 replacement and the A350 does not have a US engine supplier yet (Rolls-Royce only). At best, this means EI can only order an undefined expensive aircraft, the A350; what is likely is that they can't make any long term committment for months to come (summer time at the earliest)
- this means A330 / A340 / (B777) aircraft will be Aer Lingus only option to put in service for some time to come (6+ years) - to add to existing services, more A330's would need to be ordered similar to the recent order for two, but this is difficult due to huge demand for all widebody deliveries; I think the A340-500/600 will see an order revival this year due to this pressure and now that oil prices have lowered
- Aer Lingus operate larger aircraft compared with any other airline flying from Ireland to the US so a Mayo route will only suit people from that part of Ireland; my opinion is that people don't want to spend more than 6 hours on a small aircraft - also EI have preferential access to JFK and other US airports; I have already heard complaints from people about travelling through the Delta terminal at JFK compared to T4
- as it is, EI have the 2nd lowest operating costs of any transatlantic operator, all major US and European airlines included; the lowest cost is Air India. This says a lot for the current Airbus based business model.
- I have worked as an engineer very close to the 787 programme for 3 years and I cannot see how Boeing will begin deliveries on time in mid-2008 and keep up with the initially planned production rate; the short development time is just too aggressive; they just dropped the wireless IFE feature of the 787 - don't be surprised if more compromises are to come
- Boeing have not even launched the 787-10 (310+ seater) that is a potential A330-300 replacement and the A350 does not have a US engine supplier yet (Rolls-Royce only). At best, this means EI can only order an undefined expensive aircraft, the A350; what is likely is that they can't make any long term committment for months to come (summer time at the earliest)
- this means A330 / A340 / (B777) aircraft will be Aer Lingus only option to put in service for some time to come (6+ years) - to add to existing services, more A330's would need to be ordered similar to the recent order for two, but this is difficult due to huge demand for all widebody deliveries; I think the A340-500/600 will see an order revival this year due to this pressure and now that oil prices have lowered
- Aer Lingus operate larger aircraft compared with any other airline flying from Ireland to the US so a Mayo route will only suit people from that part of Ireland; my opinion is that people don't want to spend more than 6 hours on a small aircraft - also EI have preferential access to JFK and other US airports; I have already heard complaints from people about travelling through the Delta terminal at JFK compared to T4
- as it is, EI have the 2nd lowest operating costs of any transatlantic operator, all major US and European airlines included; the lowest cost is Air India. This says a lot for the current Airbus based business model.
Non DUB or SNN TA flights
Now, just a thought, and I'm 100% sure that someone here will be able to tell me why technically this can't be done ... but seeing as we're now getting ETOPS 757's into Dublin and soon to be Knock as well to/from east coast US, could Aer Lingus utilise A321's from Knock or Cork to, say JKF or BOS? (and yes, I know the 757ER has a longer range than the 321)
Did some checking and according to the "Great Circle Mapper" the distances are as follows with 180min ETOPS.
EIKN-KJFK 2668 NM
EICK-KJFK 2704 NM
EIKN-KBOS 2506 NM
EICK-KBOS 2542 NM
According to Airbus, the a321 will run to 3050 NM with 180 pax (OK so maybe you'd have fewer pax on TA to allow for heavier baggage). Airbus use the example of the A321 doing New York-Dublin and Paris-Boston on their site.
So, if low cost, single aisle twins looks like a gower from the "regional" airports ... apart from any bilaterial or open sikies issues, why not?
JAS
Did some checking and according to the "Great Circle Mapper" the distances are as follows with 180min ETOPS.
EIKN-KJFK 2668 NM
EICK-KJFK 2704 NM
EIKN-KBOS 2506 NM
EICK-KBOS 2542 NM
According to Airbus, the a321 will run to 3050 NM with 180 pax (OK so maybe you'd have fewer pax on TA to allow for heavier baggage). Airbus use the example of the A321 doing New York-Dublin and Paris-Boston on their site.
So, if low cost, single aisle twins looks like a gower from the "regional" airports ... apart from any bilaterial or open sikies issues, why not?
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Smaller aircraft will be used for more transatlantic services, but the A321 isn't the machine for the job.
For a start, EI's current A321s are configured with more than just the 180 seats (212 out of memory). You'd end up flying with 25% of the seats blocked off, which isn't going to do much for keeping costs down.
Also, the distances are close to the maximum range. A bit of a headwind and you'll have a tech stop in Gander. That doesn't make it easy for scheduling or costs.
Finally, I'm not certain the runway lengths at Cork and Knock are OK at MTOW.
Like I said, smaller aircraft will be used, but it's more likely to be the A319 or a long range 737, neither of which Aer Lingus have.
For a start, EI's current A321s are configured with more than just the 180 seats (212 out of memory). You'd end up flying with 25% of the seats blocked off, which isn't going to do much for keeping costs down.
Also, the distances are close to the maximum range. A bit of a headwind and you'll have a tech stop in Gander. That doesn't make it easy for scheduling or costs.
Finally, I'm not certain the runway lengths at Cork and Knock are OK at MTOW.
Like I said, smaller aircraft will be used, but it's more likely to be the A319 or a long range 737, neither of which Aer Lingus have.
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Transatlantic from ORK
Received this e-mail from Cork Airport after I enquired abou any t/a routes being started from ORK:
"I can assure you that the Management Team are in regular and frequent contact with existing and potential airline customers to secure even further new routes for Cork Airport.
As you will have seen from recent announcement, Aer Lingus has recently added Madrid, Lanzarote, Prague and Manchester to increase the number of routes being offered by Ireland's flag carrier to 17. Aer Arann has recently added Galway and Leeds Bradford as well as increasing rotations to Dublin while Centralwings has added Warsaw to their two current routes to Poland.
Added to that, the increase in winter sun and winter ski charter flights this season and our passenger business continues to grow an impressive rate of 11% year on year, serving over 3 million passengers in 2006 - an historic landmark year for Cork Airport.
"I can assure you that the Management Team are in regular and frequent contact with existing and potential airline customers to secure even further new routes for Cork Airport.
As you will have seen from recent announcement, Aer Lingus has recently added Madrid, Lanzarote, Prague and Manchester to increase the number of routes being offered by Ireland's flag carrier to 17. Aer Arann has recently added Galway and Leeds Bradford as well as increasing rotations to Dublin while Centralwings has added Warsaw to their two current routes to Poland.
Added to that, the increase in winter sun and winter ski charter flights this season and our passenger business continues to grow an impressive rate of 11% year on year, serving over 3 million passengers in 2006 - an historic landmark year for Cork Airport.
Our marketing team are in constant contact with most if not all of the airline partners that could offer direct flights to New York and other east coast destinations but no announcement is imminent on transatlantic flights at this time. Our aim is to deliver a quality airport travel experience to the best international standards and offer our customers an even greater choice of carriers and destinations going forward into Summer 2007 and beyond."
No t/a routes in the pipeline just yet.
No t/a routes in the pipeline just yet.
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link from RTE
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0206/aerlingus.html
The best move DM has made since taking control, in addition to the DXB route.
Also there are pictures of EI-LAX after its repaint, and itd missing the aerlingusOcom sticker, however they will probally add it shortly, but i hope to God they don't, its so un professional looking and ugly. BUT if they do add it maybe they will add the smaller dot like they have to the A320s after repaint, however it maybe unlikley seeing as they bet the big dot back on the other A330s after repaints(EI-DUB, JFK, ORD)
EI-LAX after repaint and lacking its aerlingusOcom sticker
EI-JFK repainted during Summer 2005 and got back its dOt com sticker
after repaint last year and spent a little while going around without the dot com sticker
EI-DUB gets its sticker back
EI-CPE with big dot before repaint
EI-CPE with small dot and the web address is moved further aft down the fusalage
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0206/aerlingus.html
The best move DM has made since taking control, in addition to the DXB route.
Also there are pictures of EI-LAX after its repaint, and itd missing the aerlingusOcom sticker, however they will probally add it shortly, but i hope to God they don't, its so un professional looking and ugly. BUT if they do add it maybe they will add the smaller dot like they have to the A320s after repaint, however it maybe unlikley seeing as they bet the big dot back on the other A330s after repaints(EI-DUB, JFK, ORD)
EI-LAX after repaint and lacking its aerlingusOcom sticker EI-JFK repainted during Summer 2005 and got back its dOt com sticker after repaint last year and spent a little while going around without the dot com sticker EI-DUB gets its sticker back EI-CPE with big dot before repaint EI-CPE with small dot and the web address is moved further aft down the fusalage
Aer Lingus in web link up with Jet Blue
Aer Lingus is to form an online partnership with low-fares US carrier Jet Blue, which allow Irish and US travellers book seats on the Aer Lingus website between Ireland and 51 destinations in one go.
Aer Lingus says from late September customers will be able to make a booking on aerlingus.com which allows them to travel from Ireland to the US, and onto a Jet Blue flight to 51 destinations across the US, Mexico and the Caribbean.
Aer Lingus said the move significantly extends its reach into North America, and opens up the Irish market for millions of US passengers who can access the Aer Lingus website.
Aer Lingus CEO, Dermot Mannion, said today that the web link-up is costing virtually nothing, as it is being developed in-house, yet will be a boost to revenue and give access to millions of US passengers.
Aer Lingus says from late September customers will be able to make a booking on aerlingus.com which allows them to travel from Ireland to the US, and onto a Jet Blue flight to 51 destinations across the US, Mexico and the Caribbean.
Aer Lingus said the move significantly extends its reach into North America, and opens up the Irish market for millions of US passengers who can access the Aer Lingus website.
Aer Lingus CEO, Dermot Mannion, said today that the web link-up is costing virtually nothing, as it is being developed in-house, yet will be a boost to revenue and give access to millions of US passengers.
OR this
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusin...10008980.shtml
Aer Lingus Chief Executive Dermot Mannion, said the tie-up was a significant development for both carriers.
"It changes the face of access to North America for the Irish travelling public," he said.
JetBlue had not made its own announcement on the link-up at the time of posting this report, which may or may not signal that its expectations are more measured.
"It changes the face of access to North America for the Irish travelling public," he said.
JetBlue had not made its own announcement on the link-up at the time of posting this report, which may or may not signal that its expectations are more measured.
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What's the idea of reducing ORK-MAN from 5 to 3 per week before the service even starts?
It's now just a token service on TU TH and SA and won't stand a chance against BMI Baby's Daily service.
It's now just a token service on TU TH and SA and won't stand a chance against BMI Baby's Daily service.
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Jetblue
Aren't Jetblue passengers going to feel a little blue when they have to sit in one of EI's outdated t/a aircraft with a screen at the front? It's a big come down from Jetblues flash shiny planes with inseat entertainment!
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A surprise to Jet Blue!?
According to some reports, this deal is not yet done and worse still, its announcement came as a surprise to Jet Blue. I saw a report on Finfacts (can't add a link here, but go to A.net news), to the effect that B6 made two statements to the SEC yesterday, neither of which related to a deal with EI. Jet Blue said that it was in talks with EI, but didn't expect a deal to be done until later in the year?
How could this happen? It's very unusual for EI to bolt like this; surely it would know the status of talks and that a deal had not been done. Doesn't look good and unlikely to impress investors, or improve confidence in EI management.
And yes, Riptack, you're right. Although the A332s are being refurbished, the A330-300s serve JFK, B6's main base, so B6 pax are going to see quite a change!
How could this happen? It's very unusual for EI to bolt like this; surely it would know the status of talks and that a deal had not been done. Doesn't look good and unlikely to impress investors, or improve confidence in EI management.
And yes, Riptack, you're right. Although the A332s are being refurbished, the A330-300s serve JFK, B6's main base, so B6 pax are going to see quite a change!
De-icer incident @ EIDW?
RTE news reports all day are carrying a story about delays to Aer Lingus schedules today due to an "incident with a deicer machine" earlier in the day.
Did someone hit an aircraft?
JAS
Did someone hit an aircraft?
JAS