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One small point about Heathrow and the dispute over paying local rates.
Although, it would seem like a pointless case because there would be little difference between local rates in Heathrow and Dublin, it probably had to be sorted, so that a precedent wouldn't be set.
Although, it would seem like a pointless case because there would be little difference between local rates in Heathrow and Dublin, it probably had to be sorted, so that a precedent wouldn't be set.
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Do they not have three aircraft overnighting there anyway?
If you use 2 or 3 London-based aircraft to serve existing UK-Ireland routes, you save on keeping crews in hotels and as these would be new aircraft, you could free up capacity for new routes from the Cork and Dublin based aircraft.
Talking of which, what is the situation with establishing a pilot base in Cork. Even if they've negotiated a good rate with local hotels, it must be costing 400K+ p.a. to pay for the hotels, transfers etc.
If you use 2 or 3 London-based aircraft to serve existing UK-Ireland routes, you save on keeping crews in hotels and as these would be new aircraft, you could free up capacity for new routes from the Cork and Dublin based aircraft.
Talking of which, what is the situation with establishing a pilot base in Cork. Even if they've negotiated a good rate with local hotels, it must be costing 400K+ p.a. to pay for the hotels, transfers etc.
With regard to Heathrow slots ... over on the Virgin thread this was posted;
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=249785&page=4
I'd guess that most major airlines would like to operate a hub of some fashion from LHR, whether EI can is another matter, plus they'd have to convince 2 share holder with almost 50% of the company between them who I'd assume are "hostile" to the idea (Irish Government and Ryanair).
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bmi is the second largest slot holder at LHR, by a long way, holding more than 1 in 10 slots at the airport. Virgin is 6th largest:
Out of 468,120 (in 2005):
1st BA 192,378
2nd BD 54,500
3rd LH 20,978
4th EI 14,841
5th SK 14,049
6th VS 12,571
Out of 468,120 (in 2005):
1st BA 192,378
2nd BD 54,500
3rd LH 20,978
4th EI 14,841
5th SK 14,049
6th VS 12,571
I'd guess that most major airlines would like to operate a hub of some fashion from LHR, whether EI can is another matter, plus they'd have to convince 2 share holder with almost 50% of the company between them who I'd assume are "hostile" to the idea (Irish Government and Ryanair).
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A cork base is long overdue in my opinion. Also, I think EI should concentrate on dominating their own backyard before spreading out elsewhere. Longhaul expansion from Ireland is the way to go in my opinion.
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Aerlingus said before that their new base outside of Ireland would connect that base to other European cities. In that respect I think a Heathrow base is a crap idea.
Most of the European cities that are on Aerlingus's routemap already have a Heathrow service. And those that don't have some form of London service.
I prefer the idea of Aer Lingus setting up a base somewhere and mainly introducing non-existing routes. Only setting up a base to compete with carriers on existing routes isn't very profitable (particularly in the short term).
Anyway, this LHR base story is totally not creditable, and not backed up by any evidence.
Most of the European cities that are on Aerlingus's routemap already have a Heathrow service. And those that don't have some form of London service.
I prefer the idea of Aer Lingus setting up a base somewhere and mainly introducing non-existing routes. Only setting up a base to compete with carriers on existing routes isn't very profitable (particularly in the short term).
Anyway, this LHR base story is totally not creditable, and not backed up by any evidence.
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Ei & Lhr
Aer Lingus is planning expansion , and a new base(s). So, as they would need to pay an absolute fortune for extra slots at LHR to expand services, I just couldnt see it happening.
I wouldnt be surprised if Aer Lingus choose a secondary airport with a very low cost base... What does anyone think about that?
I wouldnt be surprised if Aer Lingus choose a secondary airport with a very low cost base... What does anyone think about that?
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I think EI should set up at STN for transatlantic flights,
reason !
LHR will have a load of airlines flying to the US and most of them
will be less than half full. there are loads of people who HAVE to travel
via LHR who live north of London who would use any airline as long as
they didnt have to travel on the M25, STN or LTN would be very busy as they only have all business class airlines to to US.
reason !
LHR will have a load of airlines flying to the US and most of them
will be less than half full. there are loads of people who HAVE to travel
via LHR who live north of London who would use any airline as long as
they didnt have to travel on the M25, STN or LTN would be very busy as they only have all business class airlines to to US.
EI set up a TA base from STN ... now why would they do that ... after all, it's only their second largest share holder who runs a shorthaul hub out of that airport ......
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So are you saying thats a + or - reason ?
I would say it was a plus unless FR are planning TA out of STN,
just think of all the feeder pax from FR, It would work well for both
EI and FR.
I would say it was a plus unless FR are planning TA out of STN,
just think of all the feeder pax from FR, It would work well for both
EI and FR.
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Aer Lingus had BMI in their sights
Unison.ie reports:
THE Aer Lingus board considered mounting a takeover of BMI earlier this year.
The board was looking at fall-back positions in the event the Open Skies deal, which was concluded last week, did not go ahead.
The airline also ran the rule over a number of other European low-cost carriers, including Flybe.
It is understood that the previous Aer Lingus management, led by Willie Walsh, the current British Airways chief executive, also harboured plans to mount a bid for BMI, once it had restructured Aer Lingus. Discussion with BMI did take place, but it is understood they centred on the possibility of Aer Lingus acquiring a number of long-haul aircraft from BMI.
The board was looking at fall-back positions in the event the Open Skies deal, which was concluded last week, did not go ahead.
The airline also ran the rule over a number of other European low-cost carriers, including Flybe.
It is understood that the previous Aer Lingus management, led by Willie Walsh, the current British Airways chief executive, also harboured plans to mount a bid for BMI, once it had restructured Aer Lingus. Discussion with BMI did take place, but it is understood they centred on the possibility of Aer Lingus acquiring a number of long-haul aircraft from BMI.
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New base
How long does the arrangement between BMI & MME regarding jet services to London last for?
Could MME be a possible new base for EI? I know GSM have stepped in and started services but there is plenty of expansion possible there even with GSM already there.
Thread continued here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=269645
Could MME be a possible new base for EI? I know GSM have stepped in and started services but there is plenty of expansion possible there even with GSM already there.
Thread continued here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=269645
