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Runway Extention
Today it was revealed that PCC has given SSH the go ahead to draw up plans for a runway extention. Seems like a step in the right direction for Plymouth;
Plymouth City Airport runway extension plan drawn up
Plymouth City Airport runway extension plan drawn up
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I think that is finally good that there are thinking about the extension and the future of both the airport and Plymouth. I think they should get the plans done for second half of this year or next year. We can't wait until 2014. We need the runway sorted asap.
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Hmmm - draw up costed plans & prove that it will discuss with the CAA & EASA. That is a long way from actually building a new runway!
The government will need to supply funds ....& then there's the environmental lobby who may have a slightly less positive slant on the whole thing!
I am pro aviation & have no wish to rain on anyones parade but a runway before 2014??? I fear you'll be doing well if you get a decision by then.
The government will need to supply funds ....& then there's the environmental lobby who may have a slightly less positive slant on the whole thing!
I am pro aviation & have no wish to rain on anyones parade but a runway before 2014??? I fear you'll be doing well if you get a decision by then.
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What does this mean for Plymouth?
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I have a few questions i would like to ask you people:
1. Do you think Plymouth Airport will ever expand?
2. Can it hold the Avro RJ85?
3. Do you think the airport will be closed in the next 15 years?
Please feel free to post any other thoughts or comments you may have about Plymouth City Airport.
1. Do you think Plymouth Airport will ever expand?
2. Can it hold the Avro RJ85?
3. Do you think the airport will be closed in the next 15 years?
Please feel free to post any other thoughts or comments you may have about Plymouth City Airport.
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I think for Plymouth to expand the runway would have to be lengthened and the apron area expanded to accomodate larger aircraft.Not sure how possible this is,is Plymouth airport not located in a built up area?
I live in Guernsey and we have the same problem in which we need a longer runway to attract more airlines and to do so would require considerable redevelopment of the surrounding land.
I dont think an RJ85 could land at PLH,I think the largest aircraft it can accomodate is the Dash8-300,as for closing in the next 15 years I have no Idea but think it probably wont.
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I think for Plymouth to expand the runway would have to be lengthened and the apron area expanded to accomodate larger aircraft.Not sure how possible this is,is Plymouth airport not located in a built up area?
I live in Guernsey and we have the same problem in which we need a longer runway to attract more airlines and to do so would require considerable redevelopment of the surrounding land.
I dont think an RJ85 could land at PLH,I think the largest aircraft it can accomodate is the Dash8-300,as for closing in the next 15 years I have no Idea but think it probably wont.
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lots of discussion previously about PLH on the PLH thread and the air southwest thread.
PLH is owned by SHH which also own airsouthwest so im guessing that they are quite happy from a competition point of view with the current setup of the airport and runway being that they are the only commercial operator of scheduled services into PLH, most of which are services which operate via or from NQY before going on and all operate with a dh8-300.
However, plans are on the cards to extend the runway and have been for some time, this i understand will involve knocking down the m thomas warehouse at the end of the runway, however with both NQY & EXT being fairly close by how much extra traffic from larger aircraft this would gain PLH is anyone's guess.
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PLH is owned by SHH which also own airsouthwest so im guessing that they are quite happy from a competition point of view with the current setup of the airport and runway being that they are the only commercial operator of scheduled services into PLH, most of which are services which operate via or from NQY before going on and all operate with a dh8-300.
However, plans are on the cards to extend the runway and have been for some time, this i understand will involve knocking down the m thomas warehouse at the end of the runway, however with both NQY & EXT being fairly close by how much extra traffic from larger aircraft this would gain PLH is anyone's guess.
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The factory by the threshold of runway 31 is currently on a short term lease, I think of about 5 years so nothing could happen till the lease is finished. As Cornishsimon points out, the airport is owned by Sutton Harbour who also own ASW and so a runway extension which would open up the airport to other operators, who would rather ASW weren't around, could be risky. I don't think the airport will close in the next 15 years.
As for other developments, planning permission has been granted for the sale and development of the land at the western end of 24/06 which will provide significant funds for investment. A number of developments planned include relocated hangar/maintenance facilities, new car parks, enlargened apron space, improved road access and the possibility of an extended terminal. More details:
http://www.plymouthairport.com/up/fi...n_Document.pdf
As for other developments, planning permission has been granted for the sale and development of the land at the western end of 24/06 which will provide significant funds for investment. A number of developments planned include relocated hangar/maintenance facilities, new car parks, enlargened apron space, improved road access and the possibility of an extended terminal. More details:
http://www.plymouthairport.com/up/fi...n_Document.pdf
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I agree with you all. Plymouth Airport does need to expend and i would love to see it expend. We need bigger aircraft so more people come to Plymouth. I have heard that if Plymouth did expend it would put really presure on both Newquay and Exeter because people in Plymouth can now fly from there local Airport insted of Exeter or Newquay.
Can Plymouth hold the Avro RJ85?
Can Plymouth hold the Avro RJ85?
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It would be great to see Plymouth expand but it comes back to the age old question, who is going to pay and how are they going to raise the money.
A runway extension not only involves laying down extra concrete, but CAA requirements are for wholesale improvements of exisiting facilities when an extension is built. So this would require SHH to spend money on installing full 5 bar approach lighting on the ILS runway, completely new edge lighting, install centreline lighting and improved taxiway lighting.
I would estimate that this involves around £6m and although I have no doubt SHH could raise the cash, it would be very expensive and it would depend on how quickly they thought they could get the money back.
As far as the RJ85 is concerned, I've no doubt that it could land but a fully loaded departure to anywhere outside mid France or that sort of radius is out of the question.
Besides which, there are very few RJ85 operators in the UK now and it's becoming a comparatively expensive aircraft to operate, easily beaten by a number of turbo prop's - the SAAB 2000 and DHC8 Q400 come to mind.
Good luck to Plymouth - I hope SHH take the plunge.
A runway extension not only involves laying down extra concrete, but CAA requirements are for wholesale improvements of exisiting facilities when an extension is built. So this would require SHH to spend money on installing full 5 bar approach lighting on the ILS runway, completely new edge lighting, install centreline lighting and improved taxiway lighting.
I would estimate that this involves around £6m and although I have no doubt SHH could raise the cash, it would be very expensive and it would depend on how quickly they thought they could get the money back.
As far as the RJ85 is concerned, I've no doubt that it could land but a fully loaded departure to anywhere outside mid France or that sort of radius is out of the question.
Besides which, there are very few RJ85 operators in the UK now and it's becoming a comparatively expensive aircraft to operate, easily beaten by a number of turbo prop's - the SAAB 2000 and DHC8 Q400 come to mind.
Good luck to Plymouth - I hope SHH take the plunge.
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Plymouth - New thread
Runway 06/24 closes as of 0900 Monday 24th August and renamed taxiway 'C' to enable building works to start on new apron, taxiways, light aircraft park, fire station and the all important housing development. Runway 24 displaced threshold will now be holding point 'Echo'. It will be Notamed and in the AIP shortly.
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Might have been the one I landed in back about 1979!!We landed on the grass runway ,very exciting!I wish Plymouth airport well and hope it prospers.So I can fly into it of course!!
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Do you know any information that is good for Plymouth city airport?
Do you know any airlines that are looking at coming to plymouth? I have been told there is a few looking but i don't know the names.
Dale
Do you know any airlines that are looking at coming to plymouth? I have been told there is a few looking but i don't know the names.
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yea they could put houses on it! Sutton harbour holdings own the airport and also own Air South West ,so they are not going to allow airlines in that will compete with themselves . the type of aircraft that can get in is limited and Air south west use the best type for the airport. so any new operator into PLH would be looking at the same type of routes as ASW and this would limit any growth potential for ASW .
Air Southwest was primarily set up to operate LGW-PLH-NQY and therefore protect PLH airport. I have no knowledge of the airlines finances but wonder whether Sutton Harbour, who lets face it are a property company, might be thinking is it all worth it with Flybe attacking the jewel in the Air Southwest crown and the current economic climate?
I worked for Westward Airways back in 1970 so would love Plymouth to have a burgeoning future but sadly doubt there will ever be anything other than a handful of flights from there.
I worked for Westward Airways back in 1970 so would love Plymouth to have a burgeoning future but sadly doubt there will ever be anything other than a handful of flights from there.
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Airsouthwest have a different jewel now PLH -LCY twice a day ,which has seen some excellent loads since it started. The advantage they have over Flymaybe is that on the Gatwick they only need to pick up 20 or so passengers at Plymouth and another 20 or so at Newquay and they have a great load for a 56 seater. Flymaybe need to fill the 70 seater at Newquay which is dfficult in the current climate.
But neither you nor I will ever know the margins on each seat, that is not an assumption you can make without knowing the full costs. It does not always follow that a half empty aircraft contributes or loses more than a full one!
I am flying NQY/LGW/NQY Flybe over the next few weeks simply because I DON'T have the inconvenience of landing at PLH.
I am flying NQY/LGW/NQY Flybe over the next few weeks simply because I DON'T have the inconvenience of landing at PLH.