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Old 22nd Dec 2006, 18:32
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Standby for a nightmare!!!!
Thought the traffic congestion could not get any worse well think again. The new bridge by the approach lights to 08 is being installed in January which according to the councils website means the complete closure for 4 days of the A505 between Vauxhall Way and Gypsy Lane from Friday 12th January to Monday 15th January. The road is also closed from 10pm Christmas Eve to the 27th for a new bridge to be installed over the railway line.

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Aer Arrann seems to have been the only airline at LTN to have suffered in the last few days because of the fog. Whilst all the other airlines have operated normally, AA seems to have had massive proplems. With all flights sold out, many flights have been cancelled because of their inability to operate in such conditions. In fairness, AA seem to have tried very hard to help the hundreds of pax affected, by arranging coach transfers to other airports, jet sub-charters from LTN to DUB, then coach to either GWY or WAT. Unfortunately, some of these were also cancelled.

Today, AA now seem to have some 16 plus flights into and out of LTN to try and get everyone home for Xmas, and clear the backlog. Will it happen, hopefully yes, but a word of praise for their efforts is worth noting.
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Aer Arran delays, are their ATR's CAT I or II, most other operators out of Luton (737NG/A320/1/319/A300etc.) are CAT 3A or CAT3B.
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Good to see Arann are even operating extra LTN-IOM flights today too to clear the backlog - how many other airlines would do that just two weeks before they pull off a route. Cynical observers would have expected them to just look after their Galway and Waterford-bound passengers.
They may not be perfect, but they have a heart. Well done Arann!
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Thought the traffic congestion could not get any worse well think again...
Wait until they close Airport Way for four weeks and afterwards, Percival Way for another four weeks - to construct a new road junction at the 'Ibis Roundabout' that'll enable the new approach road to connect up.

This is scheduled from late January until just before Easter - what a nightmare scenario. As usual, LBC blames LLAO and LLAO says it's nothing whatsoever to do with LTN but instead, it's down to the 'highway' authority.

Personally, I think it's so so daft that it's just got to be down to some idiot lurking in the Luton Town Hall.
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Originally Posted by flyerz111
Good to see Arann are even operating extra LTN-IOM flights today too to clear the backlog - how many other airlines would do that just two weeks before they pull off a route. Cynical observers would have expected them to just look after their Galway and Waterford-bound passengers.
They may not be perfect, but they have a heart. Well done Arann!
Extract from the departures board on LTN's website at 9pm Saturday night...

RE887P Isle Of Man 19:30 19:30 Cancelled
RE508 Galway 20:00 21:00 Estimated 21:00
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Grrr

Surely what Arann are offering just good old fashioned customer service, something the airline industry was once very good at. When an airline pulls out all the stops to look after their passengers in this day and age, it seems to run at odds with the 'norm'?

BLIMEY, getting to and from the airport will be a challenge during the road works, hopefully the end result will be enhanced accessibility?
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Wait until they close Airport Way for four weeks and afterwards, Percival Way for another four weeks - to construct a new road junction at the 'Ibis Roundabout' that'll enable the new approach road to connect up.
This is scheduled from late January until just before Easter - what a nightmare scenario. As usual, LBC blames LLAO and LLAO says it's nothing whatsoever to do with LTN but instead, it's down to the 'highway' authority.
Personally, I think it's so so daft that it's just got to be down to some idiot lurking in the Luton Town Hall.

Timed nicely to coincide with the maiden flight of Silverjet’s new service to New York
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Surely what Arann are offering just good old fashioned customer service, something the airline industry was once very good at. When an airline pulls out all the stops to look after their passengers in this day and age, it seems to run at odds with the 'norm'?
At one time we had six Arann ATRs on the ground this afternoon.
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The airport is closed to all traffic from 17:30 on Christmas day to 05:30 Boxing day as there will be no ATS cover.
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Oh yes there will be! That is not the reason for the closure.
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Originally Posted by vintage ATCO
Oh yes there will be! That is not the reason for the closure.
Notam lie then

AGA : Q)EGTT/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5152N00022W005
FROM 06/12/25 17:30 TO 06/12/26 05:30 A3213/06
E)AD CLSD/NOT AVBL AS DIVERSION. ATS NOT AVBL
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Notam lie then
No it doesn't. Because Luton is closed from 1730 25th Dec to 0530 26th Dec, there won't be any ATS available from the tower. Whether or not Luton approach at West Drayton stays open is quite another matter. It's rumoured that the Notam wasn't issued by Nats anywway, but by the airport's new operations manager when he decided to close the airport in the evening and overnight.
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The NOTAM says ATS is not available because the aerodrome is closed, not the other way round. Read what it says, not what you think it says.
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Originally Posted by vintage ATCO
At one time we had six Arann ATRs on the ground this afternoon.
That's almost half the total fleet - I wonder is that a record for the most they have every had parked together given that their overall fleet is spread out at bases across Ireland and the UK?

I see RE884P to Coventry on the Luton Departures tonight, presumably an Air Atlantic ATR helping them out today going back to base?
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Originally Posted by vintage ATCO
The NOTAM says ATS is not available because the aerodrome is closed, not the other way round. Read what it says, not what you think it says.
No big deal..... ...Wonder what Santa is going to put down your chimney tonight??...Ho Ho Ho
http://www.noradsanta.org/index.php
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 18:18
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From the airports website:

Closure of terminal from Monday 25th December PM to Tuesday 26th December AM.
Owing to a much reduced flight program with effect from 1730 hrs Monday 25th December through to 0200 hrs Tuesday 26th December 2006 London Luton Airport will be closed to the public.
Normal access of the terminal building and other airport facilities will resume at 0200 hrs.

Very good seeing that the airports one and only scheduled arrival is not planned to arrive until 17:50
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 18:46
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As usual, LBC blames LLAO and LLAO says it's nothing whatsoever to do with LTN but instead, it's down to the 'highway' authority. Personally, I think it's so so daft that it's just got to be down to some idiot lurking in the Luton Town Hall.
Actually, I think that what we have here is just a very fine example of 21st Century Britain.

Our public services have been deliberately fragmented in the name of all sorts of expediency but mainly cash. When LBC blames LLAO and they blame the dustbin men - they are all correct because no one is in charge any more. Everyone has their own patch and has to interact with everyone else but independently of everyone else. No one wants to take on the role of cordinating because then you wil have to pay more money and face the law suits when it goes wrong.

Central govt from Thatcher onwards has set about fragmenting public service. Any time you get fed up of looking at the mess the airports of the country are in, look at the NHS or education and ask - Just who is in charge? The answer is everybody and that meanst nobody.
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Old 24th Dec 2006, 19:10
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the airport's new operations manager when he decided to close the airport in the evening and overnight
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Ah yes ... the new Operations Manager ... ruffling a few feathers already. Gather he's the one responsible for the recent decision for all widebodies to be tugged to/from A8. Bet SilverJet are pleased!

Also the on/off/on/off marshalling of aircraft by FBO's and handling agents will be starting for certain very soon. And all of this to cut LLAO costs
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Originally Posted by OLNEY 1 BRAVO
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Also the on/off/on/off marshalling of aircraft by FBO's and handling agents will be starting for certain very soon. And all of this to cut LLAO costs
Does that mean we will get some of them Star Wars type thingys to wave about?!?!?
I'll have a red one please!


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