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Actually think it will be some time before we see a 4 a/c base from Flybe. Given the time it takes to plan such an operation, not to mention recruit staff and the capacity restraints NCL is facing with regards to nightstopping a/c, I would assume that it is atleast 12-18 months away. Also mergers tend to throw all plans into the air, with problems arising and lots of organising to be carried out.
Wouldn't expect another carrier on NCL-CWL run either, maybe NCL-ABZ??
Wouldn't expect another carrier on NCL-CWL run either, maybe NCL-ABZ??
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Well the aircraft operating those flights could be caught up somwhere else with bad weather, for example BA flights all start from LHR/LGW and the KLM aircraft have prob been to somewhere in the UK already this morning. same for LH
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Think you'll find it's not just Southern England suffering with high winds. The storm, or Hurricane as it is being called in Germany, is also affecting the European mainland. Germany and the Netherlands are particularly badly affected.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html
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I know that KLM had expected this as we had a telex at CWL to say that all a/c other than the 6am departure which is a night stop would be cancelled. This is due to extremely high winds and bad weather accross europe and to expect cancellations, even went to give a guide to re-book passengers and not to re-book them unless the onward connection could be met.
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Eastern Airways flight T34641 NCL - CWL on the Jetstream attempted to land at CWL R/W 30 during the extreme weather conditions. I don't know what Eastern Airways Ops and the Captain was playing at.
No a/c had departed CWL as it was too windy to put the steps on the a/c. Even though ATC advised of the gusts before granting permission to land and prompted at every minue while was on approach (in other words to try and put the cpt off from landing) it got caught by the sidewind and made it cause a bankin of approx 45 degrees only 500 ft from the ground. The cpt then pulled up and went around, but actually diverted then to BRS. It's nice to see he didn't want to make a seccond attempt, but why bother makig the first and should they have kept the a/c at NCL untill weather had improved at CWL?
No a/c had departed CWL as it was too windy to put the steps on the a/c. Even though ATC advised of the gusts before granting permission to land and prompted at every minue while was on approach (in other words to try and put the cpt off from landing) it got caught by the sidewind and made it cause a bankin of approx 45 degrees only 500 ft from the ground. The cpt then pulled up and went around, but actually diverted then to BRS. It's nice to see he didn't want to make a seccond attempt, but why bother makig the first and should they have kept the a/c at NCL untill weather had improved at CWL?
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If you tell passengers on the aircraft that it is windy and you cannot land, there are always people think in the back who think that is for an entirely different reason. If you do make an approch there may be a small gap in the gusts and wind speed to make it all the way down. At least the passengers know that you have tried and failed whilst being thrown about in the back and that they then will be happier to land at an alternative airport.
Never was it a safety issue, that is why we have decision heights in aircraft
If you tell passengers on the aircraft that it is windy and you cannot land, there are always people think in the back who think that is for an entirely different reason. If you do make an approch there may be a small gap in the gusts and wind speed to make it all the way down. At least the passengers know that you have tried and failed whilst being thrown about in the back and that they then will be happier to land at an alternative airport.
Never was it a safety issue, that is why we have decision heights in aircraft
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Mathers,
ATC never issue wind speed and direction in an attempt to put pilots off. They do it in borderline weather conditions like yesterday to ensure that the pilot has a clear and continuous picture of what is happening on the ground. As Welly has suggested, the situation changes constantly, and just because the weather may have been one thing 10 minutes or more previously when the airlfield weather was checked on the ATIS system, doesn't mean that it won't have changed by the time the aircraft is on final approach.
ATC never issue wind speed and direction in an attempt to put pilots off. They do it in borderline weather conditions like yesterday to ensure that the pilot has a clear and continuous picture of what is happening on the ground. As Welly has suggested, the situation changes constantly, and just because the weather may have been one thing 10 minutes or more previously when the airlfield weather was checked on the ATIS system, doesn't mean that it won't have changed by the time the aircraft is on final approach.
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I believe many of the diversions NCL received were from MAN and DSA, where numerous problems had forced closure of airfields. Did see a few Thomsonfly a/c divert into NCL. So far in all the high winds which have been hitting the region lately, NCL has not suffered in terms of a/c diverting elsewhere.
I see work has begun on 2 new a/c parking stands, adjacent to stand 18. Anyone know how big they will be and if a/c such as 737-800 and 757 will be able to use them?
Does anyone have an idea of what a/c XL Airways will station at NCL for the coming summer season? I see from their website that they will operate a fairly hefty programme this year, compared with last. I thought Finnair would return but last rumour was 2 of their own 737-800 a/c. And next winter, should XL operate the current FJE schedule, would a full loaded 738 do a NCL-SSH?
I see work has begun on 2 new a/c parking stands, adjacent to stand 18. Anyone know how big they will be and if a/c such as 737-800 and 757 will be able to use them?
Does anyone have an idea of what a/c XL Airways will station at NCL for the coming summer season? I see from their website that they will operate a fairly hefty programme this year, compared with last. I thought Finnair would return but last rumour was 2 of their own 737-800 a/c. And next winter, should XL operate the current FJE schedule, would a full loaded 738 do a NCL-SSH?
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i know other airline use the B738 to the likes of LXR, SSH, and HRG
But im sure XLA reduce the capacity on the B738 routes it used to do to Egpyt. Would be nice to make NCL a year round B757 base before they get rid of the rest of the 757s
i know other airline use the B738 to the likes of LXR, SSH, and HRG
But im sure XLA reduce the capacity on the B738 routes it used to do to Egpyt. Would be nice to make NCL a year round B757 base before they get rid of the rest of the 757s
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Transwede: I see work has begun on 2 new a/c parking stands, adjacent to stand 18. Anyone know how big they will be and if a/c such as 737-800 and 757 will be able to use them?
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SXF
Am surprised Jet2 haven't yet announced SXF following EZY's departure. In terms of numbers it did well (don't know about yield) and whilst it may not be suited to a daily flight it would be good 4/5 times per week.
CPH
Also, CPH would be a good move for any operator who uses smaller aircraft. BMI could have even had a W rotation with their LBA service! The numbers were good and as BMI codeshare with SAS this would have allowed connections at CPH.
BE
Still no news on BE and like others I think it will take a while for the 4 aircraft to arrive, especially with their current range of destinations. I just wish in the meantime they would sort the EXT service out with better early morning timings as currently a lot of people going to that area need to be there for meetings etc by 10am and have to take the EZY morning flight to BRS then car or train down to the EXT area.
Well, if and when BE do come with the 4 aircraft there is potential for a number of routes:
NCL - ABZ
NCL - NWI
NCL - FRA
NCL - TLS
NCL - BHX
NCL - CWL
NCL - EGC
NCL - CPH
In addition to the current EXT, BHD, JER, LIG and SOU. Oh well, wishful thinking!
EK
Does anyone have any news on how sales are going on the EK flight? The introductory fares are good, we just have to hope that they can continue to offer good value to and through DXB to keep attracting the pax. Hope all goes well and this route is a success!
Am surprised Jet2 haven't yet announced SXF following EZY's departure. In terms of numbers it did well (don't know about yield) and whilst it may not be suited to a daily flight it would be good 4/5 times per week.
CPH
Also, CPH would be a good move for any operator who uses smaller aircraft. BMI could have even had a W rotation with their LBA service! The numbers were good and as BMI codeshare with SAS this would have allowed connections at CPH.
BE
Still no news on BE and like others I think it will take a while for the 4 aircraft to arrive, especially with their current range of destinations. I just wish in the meantime they would sort the EXT service out with better early morning timings as currently a lot of people going to that area need to be there for meetings etc by 10am and have to take the EZY morning flight to BRS then car or train down to the EXT area.
Well, if and when BE do come with the 4 aircraft there is potential for a number of routes:
NCL - ABZ
NCL - NWI
NCL - FRA
NCL - TLS
NCL - BHX
NCL - CWL
NCL - EGC
NCL - CPH
In addition to the current EXT, BHD, JER, LIG and SOU. Oh well, wishful thinking!
EK
Does anyone have any news on how sales are going on the EK flight? The introductory fares are good, we just have to hope that they can continue to offer good value to and through DXB to keep attracting the pax. Hope all goes well and this route is a success!
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You list potential for routes with BE, what I do find strange is that 3 of the routes are already well served by EASTERN. why do you want to duplicate routes rather than offer new ones. Or have you any grievance with Eastern I wonder.
If you are a NCL fan, then why not support an airline that is already supporting the airport
You list potential for routes with BE, what I do find strange is that 3 of the routes are already well served by EASTERN. why do you want to duplicate routes rather than offer new ones. Or have you any grievance with Eastern I wonder.
If you are a NCL fan, then why not support an airline that is already supporting the airport
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You list potential for routes with BE, what I do find strange is that 3 of the routes are already well served by EASTERN. why do you want to duplicate routes rather than offer new ones. Or have you any grievance with Eastern I wonder.
If you are a NCL fan, then why not support an airline that is already supporting the airport
You list potential for routes with BE, what I do find strange is that 3 of the routes are already well served by EASTERN. why do you want to duplicate routes rather than offer new ones. Or have you any grievance with Eastern I wonder.
If you are a NCL fan, then why not support an airline that is already supporting the airport
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I have no grievance with Eastern, I have used them and think they are wonderful. There service has also been excellent and I am partial to a glass of champagne! However, just to explain why I mentioned those routes:
BE are well known for targetting T3's routes. T3 has it's place in serving thinner, business orientated routes but, for example when they took over the CWL route pax numbers decreased because of their fares. I don't believe that CWL, ABZ and BHX should be used so thinly and I think it will take someone like BE to shake up the market slightly. Look at SOU, we have both T3 and BE and pax numbers have soared.
BE also mentioned in a news article some time ago that ABZ and BHX were options if aircraft are based at NCL and with them starting some flights out of CWL this would add an extra argument for them to start NCL-CWL or vice versa.
In addition, T3 can probably not sustain some routes in the very long term. Businesses are getting more and more tight about their travel budgets, and in some cases are making their staff take the cheapest option - even if that means the train or car. Gone are the days when many businesses will pay £300 return to BHX when you can get first class train tickets to Birmingham for under £100 if you book a few days in advance.
BE are well known for targetting T3's routes. T3 has it's place in serving thinner, business orientated routes but, for example when they took over the CWL route pax numbers decreased because of their fares. I don't believe that CWL, ABZ and BHX should be used so thinly and I think it will take someone like BE to shake up the market slightly. Look at SOU, we have both T3 and BE and pax numbers have soared.
BE also mentioned in a news article some time ago that ABZ and BHX were options if aircraft are based at NCL and with them starting some flights out of CWL this would add an extra argument for them to start NCL-CWL or vice versa.
In addition, T3 can probably not sustain some routes in the very long term. Businesses are getting more and more tight about their travel budgets, and in some cases are making their staff take the cheapest option - even if that means the train or car. Gone are the days when many businesses will pay £300 return to BHX when you can get first class train tickets to Birmingham for under £100 if you book a few days in advance.