Ryanair - 4

[MorningGlory]

Big Deal.. So why do 42m people a year still fly with them? Because no matter how much people love to moan, they think with their pockets!

I'm sure if they hate it that much they'll stop booking the 2p return flights and go pay a Proper price with a Proper airline and spend more of their hard earned cash.

[dartagnan]

hell no, i am not buying my ticket with ryanair(i did 1 flight with them and i have not been impressed at all due to having to pay for the bus to go to their airport),at the end, they are not cheaper....

and too many unhappy customers, I prefer to pay a little more and be able to get another flight or a refund with a serious orange Lcc. the only thing I agree with ryanair, its the war againt tax. we don't need nice chairs and a costly terminal, to take a plane for a 1 or 2 hours flight, an it is nice to have a little walk to or from the plane.

and I don't pay to send my cv, if I do, I send it but i keep the money...
only idiots send money with a CV.

[TheSailor]

Hello,

I don't think..Ryan Air is really a "worst" airline.
The point of a travel by plane....is to go from a place..to another..rapidely.
And if you have the possibility to make this travel cheap..it's great.
If you want comfort etc...take the Q2 ...you will have all the amenities...but the travel will be long and expensive.
I never have comfort in planes when travel exeed 4 or 5 hours... (any airlines)...exept when traveling in first...or eventually business....
You have the choice....read...compare ...ask...and make your choice...
If you take a Ryan Air plane..and think..you will be like in a Singapore Airline first class sak...you make a mistake...not Ryan Air.

Regards.

[hobie]

a little bit of history ......

so it was all Maggie's fault! ....

Ryanair was founded in 1985 by Christy Ryan (after whom the company is named), Liam Lonergan (owner of an Irish tour operator named Club Travel), and noted Irish businessman Tony Ryan, founder of Guinness Peat Aviation. Christy Ryan was from Waterford and it was his idea to start an air service between Waterford and London. The airline began with a 15 seat Embraer turboprop aircraft flying between Waterford and London Gatwick with the aim of breaking the duopoly on London-Ireland flights at that time held by British Airways and Aer Lingus. In 1986 the company added a second route – flying Dublin-London Luton in direct competition to the BA/Aer Lingus duopoly for the first time. Under partial EU Deregulation, airlines could begin new international intra-EU services as long as at least one of the two governments gave approval (the so-called "double-disapproval" regime). The Irish government at the time refused its approval in order to protect Aer Lingus, but Britain, under Margaret Thatcher's pro-free-market Conservative government, approved the service

[StraightLevel]

"has been an outspoken critic of rivals"

no ****, they fly around with "bye bye easyjet" painted on the side of some of their aircraft!

[Del Prado]

I think you're all missing the real news here, the last couple of paragraphs...

The company identified the hottest emerging holiday hotspots as Pamukkale in Turkey, Parga in Greece, and Ayr on Scotland's west coast.

[WHBM]

Michael Ryan

Hey, the BBC have changed it to Michael O'Leary.

But they've still got him down as "founder"

[Will Hung]

Ryanair is undoubtedly run by a hard-nosed Businessman who believes in market forces, and market forces are what make people work for him, customers pay for him, and city analysts love him.

[The SSK]

the duopoly on London-Ireland flights at that time held by British Airways and Aer Lingus.

Oh, and, er, Dan-Air

Mustn't let the facts get in the way of a decent quote.

[Andy_S]

Originally Posted by Leo Hairy-Camel

Imagine the Ryanair of 10 years ago and what it is now. Now imagine Aer Lingus today and what it could be 10 years from now.

Well, Ryanair got where it is today by applying a fundamentally different business model to the short haul airline business. Presumably, for Aer Lingus to similarly transform itself, it would also need to turn conventional industry wisdom on its head. And yet what you appear to be describing is a classic hub and spoke scenario with a short haul airline interlining with a long haul one, and that long haul airline flying to established airports and offering a variety of passenger accomodation depending on what the passengers are willing to pay. Pretty much like many other long haul carriers then. So what's the point?
Surely there's three ways this could go if MOL's bid is successful:
1. Run both companies separately, but make EI more profitable through shared admin costs, improved purchasing power etc (which I've no doubt MOL could do).
2. Re-invent EI as a long haul version of Ryanair. Competitive fares, but the normal caveats apply in the way that Consol so eloquently described.
3. Integrate EI and FR as a hub and spoke operation with interlining between the two - which would compromise FR's highly successful business model and make them look like either a cheaper, nastier version of the established legacy carriers, or indistinguishable from them.
I'm afraid your description of a high quality long haul airline run along Ryanair business principles isn't credible or convincing

[Faire d'income]

The myopic, unblinking focus of our business is on safety. Ask any of the thousands who fail our sim assessments, or better still, any of the 1500 Ryanair pilots themselves. The Ryanair safety standard is REAL, and it is ruthlessly applied, I can assure you.

20 years in the industry and you think safety is about bullying pilots.

I have spoken to many of your pilots and can't print what they think of your attitude to safety. You have clearly demonstrated above a potentially catastrophic misunderstanding of the word.

A safety standard is achieved not applied and lots of us in this industry know exactly where you come on that particular ladder.

[Say Mach Number]

And Easyjet the second worst airline! So it says in the article. Theres probably not much to choose between them. And lets face it Easy have got an appalling punctuality record. Have never been on a punctual Easy flight yet.

[B737NG]

Why does MOL not give a sh*T about it? Because people talk about him, 42m a Year use the outfit to get from A to B. Most people do not love Ryanair but they take the monthly wages to pay the bills, in the meantime they look for better jobs. Remember the grass is allways greener on the other side. People who sit in a glass house should be carefull when they throw stones.... I do not blame them when they realy safe a buck! My doubt is that they do, at the end a well planned trip with a major carrier is not much more expensive anymore thanks to RYANAIR, DEBONAIR, EASYJET and and and. They all changed the culture of high airfares and the customers have more choices today. AF,BA,LH,KL,AZ and all the others where forced to offer competetive fares to defend the market position they have. It is up to the customer to compare and add all the side costs, then they see that the travel cost from A to B is not that much more with one of the majors. Notwithstanding the benefit of rebooking in case of delay, diversion and so on, the majors do not spare a buck to accomodate then all pax. Then you are happy to hold a real Airline ticket and the protection of the system they have in case of abnormalities. It is costly yes, but you are happy that they have the day you strand due to reasons out of your control.

Fly / travel safe and land happy

NG

[shannon55]

Originally Posted by TheSailor

Hello,

I don't think..Ryan Air is really a "worst" airline.
The point of a travel by plane....is to go from a place..to another..rapidely.
And if you have the possibility to make this travel cheap..it's great.
If you want comfort etc...take the Q2 ...you will have all the amenities...but the travel will be long and expensive.
I never have comfort in planes when travel exeed 4 or 5 hours... (any airlines)...exept when traveling in first...or eventually business....
You have the choice....read...compare ...ask...and make your choice...
If you take a Ryan Air plane..and think..you will be like in a Singapore Airline first class sak...you make a mistake...not Ryan Air.

Regards.

well said! I can't stand the amount of uneducated criticism RYR gets on this thread. As you said, If you want air travel with all its bells and whistles then go full service. If you want low-cost travel then go with RYR. Critics of the airline should ask themselves why do 42m odd PAX travel with the airline year-in, year-out if they're such a 'crap' airline? Yes they haven't mastered all aspects of air travel perfectly but...who has?
What they do have ,however, is one of the youngest fleets in Europe, most with leather seats (which is alot more then what some Full service carriers have) and ,yes, while there's no in-flight frills and your destination airport may not be the nearest airport to the city intended....it's not as if you didn't know this before you booked with them. They do state the actual destination beside the main city on the booking engine e.g. Frankfurt (Hahn).
I do agree that their customer-care and aftersales service leaves alot to be desired but there's very little airlines in operation who can boast a flawless service.

[flyerz111]

Hey,don't forget Ryanair is not all about low fares - they have some absolute whoppers in there too to balance out the revenue on flights.

Take tomorrow on Dublin to Cork - they are looking for Eur129.99 plus 20.94 in taxes and charges plus no doubt a few Euros for using your credit card and bringing some baggage - around Euro 160 for a flight of 25 minutes or so. Aer Arran, with flights before and after Ryanair (but only 3 /6 showing, so presumably the other 3 are full), are "cheaper" at Euro 84 and 63 plus taxes one way. Fact is they will all fill every seat because of the mid term and holidaty weekend, Cork Jazz Festival etc. but Ryanair know how to charge when the know they'll get it.

It's not just a "low fares airline", it's a business model which pushes big numbers of low fares and gets the cream with low numbers of high fares, making its money on the extras like card fees, baggage charges and, from next week, web check-in charges.

[potkettleblack]

How do the web check in charges work? I thought they wanted us all to check in via the web as it must be leading to a time when they ditch the agents altogether or at the very least renegotiate contracts downwards based on fewer pax using the check in desks?

[flyerz111]

From their website (buried in the "new routes for Dublin release October 18, i won't post a link as I'm not sure if it's allowed) :
Ryanair also announced today a new online check-in and priority boarding service enhancement that will allow all passengers to enjoy online check-in / priority boarding for just £2/€3 per flight from 1st November. This service improvement will extend the option of priority boarding to all passengers and not just those travelling without checked in bags as was previously the case.
Passengers travelling with checked in luggage will (from 1st November) be able to enjoy priority boarding at departure gates for £2/€3 per flight. These passengers will then be entitled to board the aircraft first and choose their seats. This will be particularly advantageous for families and groups who wish to travel together.
Those travelling with hand luggage only will also have the option to enjoy the double benefit of bypassing airport check-in queues and priority boarding at the departure gate by checking in on line for just £2/€3 per flight.
From 1st November, families with children will no longer be pre-boarded however they will have the option of online check-in and priority boarding if travelling without checked in luggage or priority boarding purchased at the airport if travelling with checked in bags.

[potkettleblack]

Cheers for that. Think I will just stick to jumping on the back and sitting in the last few rows while all of the other punters for some strange reason seem to fight over the front of the aircraft and the exit seats. Give me an aisle seat 3 or 4 rows from the back anytime

I wonder how failing to preboard the mums and dads will effect his 20 minute turnaround though. Might be a bit short sighted. Might also turn away families from flying with them.

[Patuta]

Originally Posted by flyerz111

Those travelling with hand luggage only will also have the option to enjoy the double benefit of bypassing airport check-in queues and priority boarding at the departure gate by checking in on line for just £2/€3 per flight.[/COLOR]

Does that meen the priority boarding fee becomes mandatory for the online-check? So they let you pay for checking in online?

[Faire d'income]

I can't stand the amount of uneducated criticism RYR gets on this thread.

70 posts of " I hope Flybe put on a magic carpet from ORK to GLA " does not qualify you to assess what is educated or uneducated Shannon55.