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Old 9th Sep 2017, 09:50
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but SQ have also mentioned they don't want to dilute their London yields.
Those yields could come under pressure anyway from Norwegian on LGW-SIN. Whether SQ's response is as simple as offering some heavily discounted fares in the back of their LHR A380s, or a limited Scoot operation from one of the other London airports, remains to be seen.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 09:50
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am I right to think that for the sake of bilaterals Stansted was declared not to be part of London some time ago. I might be completely wrong on that or it might have been a specific bilateral like the UK-US one.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 09:52
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Originally Posted by Logohu View Post
Those yields could come under pressure anyway from Norwegian on LGW-SIN. Whether SQ's response is as simple as offering some heavily discounted fares in the back of their LHR A380s, or a limited Scoot operation from one of the other London airports, remains to be seen.
Indeed, Norwegian could be an issue but just reporting what was said.

Norwegian being incentive chasers, remains to be seen if Singapore has longevity, but it's also a market that sees a lot of competition and remains a strong route to this day, so, should be ok.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 09:54
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Originally Posted by STN Ramp Rat View Post
am I right to think that for the sake of bilaterals Stansted was declared not to be part of London some time ago. I might be completely wrong on that or it might have been a specific bilateral like the UK-US one.
So we have an airport that picks and chooses if it is part of London or not to suit its own gains. Superb.

Still doesn't alter the fact SQ/TZ have said they don't want to introduce London and that London hasn't been mentioned as a possible route in ANY article.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 10:38
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Keep the faith LAX LHR....)
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 11:43
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LAX LHR.. the airport does not "choose if it is part of London to suit it`s own gains" as you put it...HM Govt is the regulator but now in a heavily competitive London arena Government was signalling/drafting it was at the least considering extending the UK`s existing regional fifth freedom policy to LGW/STN & LTN ...whether this is in effect or it requires a submission/request/lobbying from an airline is not clear...Anyways with the `B` word coming into effect too I`m sure HM Govt would view all such submissions v liberally....
"SQ/TZ have not mentioned London"...but as I pointed out a new CEO in place @ STN will enhance all marketing prospects...& I did not have the impression the original poster was reading "articles"...Still time is gonna tell,but please do not be so negative about an equal family member..)
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 11:46
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Noticed today the BAW/BACF STN service to & from IBZ is dual coded with IBE...
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 12:33
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Southside bobby.

You mention it's an equal family member but was it not you who recently tried to ram down our throats about how STN would soon eclipse MAN for pax numbers. Again, only equal when it suits you.

Also Its not negative re:Scoot, it's reporting on what's already known. New manager or not, STN hasn't been mentioned at all
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 13:23
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Southside bobby.

You mention it's an equal family member but was it not you who recently tried to ram down our throats about how STN would soon eclipse MAN for pax numbers. Again, only equal when it suits you.

Also Its not negative re:Scoot, it's reporting on what's already known. New manager or not, STN hasn't been mentioned at all
You say STN hasn't been mentioned but what I think you ment was you haven't heard STN mentioned I have a very reliable contact that assures me STN has been mentioned and behind the scenes there is a lot going on to bring scoot to STN I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying negotiating are ongoing involving MAG and Scoot regarding MAN and STN only time will tell and I'm told we will know before November
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 13:28
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Yes I did say STN hasn't been mentioned, because it hasn't. There is not one single article that mentions a possible London route, never mind Stansted.

Rumours happen all the time and you may have a good source, but I am talking purely publicly at the moment, and what we have seen is a quote that said 'London isn't under consideration as we don't want to dilute our SQ product'.

I just think a large market like London, if Scoot was under consideration, don't you think they would want to advertise that?

I too am not saying Scoot will never happen from STN, but as of this time, we have seen nothing public to suggest it's imminent and that's the only point I'm interested in for the sake of this argument.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 14:24
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I have been told Scoot have no plans to serve any airport that Singapore fly too - which makes sense and dismisses Manchester.
Stansted makes sense as it is well away from the Singapore operation at Heathrow.
So it looks like MAG are talking to Scoot as you would expect them to be.
BHX makes more sense still
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 14:33
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Well, if scoot has no plans to serve Manchester, we better tell their Indian area manager, as he certainly seems to think they are looking to serve Manchester, and Copenhagen for that matter too. Or are people just choosing to ignore the now 20+ articles stating specifically Manchester? I'd rather believe one of the managers from scoot than an unknown and completely unverifiable source.

In fact, scoot might need to pull a lot of their destinations if they are not to serve any SQ airport........
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 14:54
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My understanding is that Scoot are aiming to exploit fifth freedom rights out of India, and that this is the main market. So, routing Singapore-India for that market, and then India-Europe as a different market.

In this scenario, the competing against SQ argument falls away. More like competition for the ME3.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 17:21
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LAX LHR...Whilst you are correct quoting the public facts it does appear you are choosing to ignore & to give any credence or thought to other`s input...Scoot may not appear at STN but you should take from the posts that STN will be in the mix when MAG is talking with any airline..This is a rumour mill as well & perhaps you are not aware of negotiation & even the non information within those negotiations...only @ the v top is anybody within Scoot really aware...I know you like to see the appearances & quote only from the GDS system,so we can will leave you to that..
Although......SWBKCB in his first paragraph at least is nearer the portrayal of the intended market & perhaps in his second paragraph but not his intended point stating competition with/for the ME3 so perhaps that would also serve to steer a new entrant away from an ME3 saturated airport...just a thought..
The position swap between MAN & STN which you rightly know is CEO not "manager"...
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 17:58
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Southside,

Have you actually read my posts or have you just gone into 'someone has said something ever so slightly negative so full on defence mode required'?

Reason I say that is that I haven't ignored anything, how can I ignore something I have replied to? Secondly, yes, I have quoted public fact, how there can be an issue with that is beyond me but there we go. I may not be giving credence to the rumours yet because thus far, we have seen public quotes against a STN flight (facts) versus rumours (no verification). Yes, scoot may well be talking to STN, but that means nothing until the airline says something about the airport. MIAT Mongolian met Manchester Airport last year, doesn't mean I think there is a route to Ulaan Bator in the making and willing to strike anyone down who dares not to believe me, does it!

Also, I'll say again, I have not said that Scoot will never come to STN, I wouldn't say that about any airline and any airport, you can never say never in this industry. All I have said is that Scoot hasn't been mentioned in any article (factually correct) and while there may be some leeway in it, Scoot cannot serve London-India (factually correct).

If you cannot handle factual information then that's not my issue, so I'll leave it there.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 18:27
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SWBKCB in his first paragraph at least is nearer the portrayal of the intended market & perhaps in his second paragraph but not his intended point stating competition with/for the ME3 so perhaps that would also serve to steer a new entrant away from an ME3 saturated airport...just a thought..
The presence of competitors shows there's a market, and Scoot would be offering direct flights between UK-India, as opposed to the ME3.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 19:43
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Lets not get our knickers in a twist shall we?

In my experience at least, the ink is often dry on a lot of commercial deals long before they are made public, so I would hardly agree that only what goes in the press can be described as fact. Companies believe it or not don't tend to share that kind of information before it goes public.

Equally, so called contacts spreading gossip to outsiders about any kind of development behind the scenes would no doubt be in severe breach of contract. Quite frankly my credibility would be far more important to me.

It's good to see a bit more discussion on the STN thread finally, but let's try to stay civilised.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 07:14
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i had to look twice at the post above about SQ/TZ looking at new routes from STN

TZ, many may recall, was the code used by ATA Airlines, aka American Trans Air, the Indianapolis-based carrier that went under in 2008.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 08:18
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Okey Dokes rog747....perfectly correct ATA landed @ STN too more than once & many remember them & yup TZ was their prefix when in business..For my bad I copied a certain other poster as much to highlight my reply...Scoot is of course TR..c/s "scooter"...
Not detracting but you are aware too of course prefix`s are re-used,a case in point causing a bit of comment is coincidently Wow Air who have on some flights in Scandinavia being using WW which of course at one time belonged to BMI....
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 08:51
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Could you repeat that again southside bobby in understandable English please. Ampersands are never used except for company names, also @ is never used in a sentence.As someone who was connected with the media for over forty years I find the standard of written English nowadays to be appalling.
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