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Old 7th Apr 2017, 10:28
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
No they didn't, it was a financial flop, which is why they were withdrawn. The economy cabin was filled through various discounters, business and first just didn't sell. If you thought there were pax seated in there, they would be upgrades in the normal US carrier fashion.

Incidentally, when AA ran (in 1992-3) from Stansted to Chicago with 767s, they ran a competition, prize a couple of transatlantic tickets, for what US onward destination had the most onward connecting pax from their first month's flights. I remember picking up the entry form when passing through the STN terminal, and dropping it in the box at the AA desk. Didn't win. What do you think the correct answer was ?
That really surprised me do you know for fact, I worked at the airport during this time and the flights always seeemed full but even if your correct the airport and travel in general has moved on much faster than even I would have dreamed of I for one and there is no way I'm alone in thinking this is I hate traveling to LHR and even LGW I live in Essex and it's not that far to either airport but the M25 is just to much I connect through AMS now when traveling to the US which I do approx 6x a year I'm more than confident that scheduled longhaul from Stansted will work now not only in one direction but with the network of destinations from Stansted people traveling from the US have a massive amount of choice for visiting European cities and the Mediterranean.
But my main point is Norwegian will definitely have an impact on passenger numbers on BA VS etc so why not get in there first and establish at Stansted.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 11:02
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'Continental and American managed it for years with good loads'

As far as I am aware

Continental (Boeing 757) only operated to Newark from June 2000 to September 2001 (terminated after 9/11 never to return as it was a very marginal route)

American (Boeing 762) operated to Chicago from June 1992 to April 1993 (having lost $10 million on the route)

American (Boeing 763) operated to New York JFK from October 2007 to July 2008 (in response to EOS (Boeing 757) and Maxjet (Boeing 762) and the flights were heavily discounted)

Good loads maybe but no one was making any real returns.

I share your passion regarding Stansted airport but you won't be seeing British Airways flying long haul from the airport, a few BACF sun and ski routes as at present with perhaps an expansion into more European destinations going forward.

Virgin Atlantic may well offer an Orlando flight in coming years and possibly a Las Vegas flight but nothing more than that.

Any possible transatlantic connection from Stansted in the future will more than likely come from JetBlue if and when they announce any transatlantic expansion in the next couple of years.

It's a pity that Norwegian moved their London operations from STN to LGW a few years ago as the expansion from that airline since then has been amazing to watch especially their long haul flying, imagine if all that was at STN rather than LGW!
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 11:25
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Thomas Cook and TUI Airlines both have flights to Orlando (MCO & SFB respectively), Don't think there is enough demand for a VS service to Orlando given than MT and TOM are only operating these in high season.

TUI have weekly flights to Cancun and Montego Bay, MT operate LAS and CUN in high season. I would think that they would be the most likely to bolster long haul at Stansted before VS would operate from a third London airport.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 11:46
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I was referring to scheduled flights rather than the charter flights operated by TCX and TUI.

When I was referring to Virgin Atlantic, i did say in 'coming years', just like they have done at GLA and to a certain extent BFS.

I am sure and I do hope that both TCX and TUI will expand their long haul charter operations from STN in the foreseeable future but looking forward that might encourage Virgin Atlantic to offer a flight from STN to Orlando MCO in a similar way to GLA that already had competition to Florida from both TCX and TUI.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 14:21
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If the huge networks of flights to Europe accepted transfers then I'm sure it could work, but other than that you're going to prefer to book a connection somewhere they call it a connection...

If Ryanair do start allowing transfers then I suspect Ryanair Atlantic is a logical progression. Other than that I can't see it happening.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 14:41
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Originally Posted by 01475 View Post
If the huge networks of flights to Europe accepted transfers then I'm sure it could work, but other than that you're going to prefer to book a connection somewhere they call it a connection...

If Ryanair do start allowing transfers then I suspect Ryanair Atlantic is a logical progression. Other than that I can't see it happening.

Connecting and interlining are not as important as you may think I know a lot of people who travel STN-AMS (easyJet) and STN-DUB (Ryanair) for onward travel to the US instead of using LGW and LHR both these routes are self connections point to point also there is enough foot fall between the US and London alone to support at least a daily flight from STN to New York.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 16:47
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I am definitely not doubting that Stansted could sustain a daily flight to New York it surely could along with a daily EK flight to Dubai but IMHO I think that any New York flight we'll be down to JetBlue 'if and when they announce transatlantic operations' which seem to have some relevance if you have read other aviation forums of late.

If JetBlue do intend flying JFK to London they would have no transatlantic competition at Stansted and it could feed it's New York JFK hub along with feed by Ryanair at this end.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 17:06
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
there is enough foot fall between the US and London alone to support at least a daily flight from STN to New York.
You may well feel so, but the substantial spread of both departure times and operators from Heathrow means that a (maybe considerable) proportion of those who appear geographically favourable to Stansted would continue to go to Heathrow.

If the daily flight left at say 1100 you would be looking at an 0900 checkin, losing any business pax who wanted to go into the office first, and likewise those high-paying business travellers who change their flight, forwards or backwards, on the day as their meetings change. Heathrow allows this.


Likewise if I am a US high-mileage traveller with miles (possibly backed up by a corporate discount agreement as well) built up mainly on United, going to Canary Wharf, a Delta flight from JFK to Stansted won't have that much appeal.
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Old 8th Apr 2017, 09:40
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Somewhat later on in the thread but still perhaps interesting ...

As a local resident (and user) when the current terminal opened, the USPs of the design were

1) that it was only a short distance from the front door to the shuttle to the gates ... and flat, so that everyone could have easy access and

2) that there would be plenty of natural daylight. (That seems so far-fetched once you enter the shopping mall airside nowadays!)
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Old 8th Apr 2017, 11:31
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How are Menzies getting on with the Jet2 contract.The grapevine suggests they are not overachieving.
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Old 8th Apr 2017, 11:41
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Originally Posted by leadinghand View Post
How are Menzies getting on with the Jet2 contract.The grapevine suggests they are not overachieving.
With only 2 airframes is it a little early to judge?
They seem to be leaving on time if that's a measure of anything
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Old 8th Apr 2017, 12:49
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Its BECAUSE there are only 2 A/C,but maybe you are right,its early days
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Old 8th Apr 2017, 22:53
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I think it's wrong to say that STN couldn't support a JFK service, STN is the closest major airport to the financial district and Canary Wharf in terms of travel time compared to LHR and LGW. It's also located in one of the most affluent areas of the UK, with Cambridge up the road and IT businesses in particular growing there at a high rate, there is plenty of demand.

We're going to see major changes in the long haul market in coming years with the rise of long haui LCC's and new aircraft types such as the A321LR. My guess is that what we saw with the rise of low cost, high frequency european travel will happen with the long haul US market in particular. Frequent flyer clubs will become less and less incentified and demand will focus more on price and connivence. I am a massive believer in Stelios' theory on the ignition price within aviation, if the price is low enough, demand will create itself. Based on these reasons STN could easily support a NY service.

However the airport is less known the US travellers and has a bad reputation within the industry because of it's Ryanair LCC image and a history of failed long-haul routes for whatever the reasons were.

The airport will get a NY service eventually but I hope they're wise in who they chase for one as it has to be a success, the likes of Thomas Cook to JFK would be a mistake. A Norwegian 787 service to a MAJOR NY airport would be a good fit.

The truth is the airport cannot cope with any new carriers until work is done to check-in and the main departure lounge waiting area, both are extremely overcrowded. They should never of knocked down Zone J/K.
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Old 8th Apr 2017, 23:11
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Also if Norwegian Long Haul or any other carrier is serious about interlining with Ryanair, it will be most appropriate at STN with the sheer volume of destinations and frequencies to destinations across Europe.
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 02:43
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The airport will get a NY service eventually but I hope they're wise in who they chase for one as it has to be a success, the likes of Thomas Cook to JFK would be a mistake. A Norwegian 787 service to a MAJOR NY airport would be a good fit.
Just a question, but why would TCX be a mistake?

They offer a daily service to JFK from MAN, which is probably right and fit for STN to have too at this moment in time, no point going more than daily at this stage. From MAN, They also offer LAX/SFO(not OAK like D8), MIA, BOS and MCO as well as a plethora of Caribbean and rumours of TPA/SAN, which would be a great route portfolio for STN if they could be convinced. I think people overlook just how much TCX can do, and what it currently is doing for MAN, they seems to be pulled in by the Norwegian hype while TCX just get on with it.

Always gets me how enthusiasts of an airport with no service at all to places then become very picky of who should serve the route, surely any service is better than none, it may also stimulate the market?
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 05:16
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I think it's wrong to say that STN couldn't support a JFK service, STN is the closest major airport to the financial district and Canary Wharf in terms of travel time compared to LHR and LGW.
When Crossrail opens Heathrow to Canary Wharf travel time reduces to 40 minutes according to the Crossrail website and that service is direct from most of the terminals.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 12:44
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New Route

Jet2 to launch weekly Grenoble service. 1 weekly Saturdays, commences 23 Dec.
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 07:40
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Looks as if TOM have cancelled all long-haul for S18.

Remains 2 based aircraft but down to 26 weekly departures.

Cancelled Routes
Antalya
Cancun
Montego Bay
Orlando-Sanford

Frequency Cuts
Heraklion

Hardly much of a fight to Jet2!
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 07:51
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[QUOTE=FRatSTN;9746380]Looks as if TOM have cancelled all long-haul for S18.


Hardly much of a fight to Jet2![/QUOTE

Maybe thats what Jet2 had reckoned on when they first decided to open shop there.
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Old 20th Apr 2017, 09:27
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Are they retreating to South of the Thames or is Gatwick down as well?
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