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Old 1st Mar 2013, 12:29
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It's good manners to always quote one's sources.....
Stansted takeover: Manchester Airport Group pledge sky battle as they seal £1.5bn deal - Transport - News - London Evening Standard
From the ever excitable Charlie Cornish.
“If we get the right level of customer experience and the right product, which is the right airlines flying the right planes at the right price, we will start to move volume around London. Some will always go to Heathrow and Gatwick but if it’s a strong product we hope to take volume not just from the north but the south”
That "IF" is big enough to be seen from space. How is GIP's plan at LGW going to do exactly the same? They've lost Korean, US Airways, Hong Kong Airlines and Delta in the space of a year, yet MAG is going to do all of the above in a five year timescale. Not being funny but that is so misleading there's a case for it being blatantly dishonest, unless he actually thinks he can achieve this in which case he's an amateur and out of his depth.
Charlie Cornish - United Kingdom | LinkedIn
This bloke's background is Thames Water where we have enough leaks to refloat Belgium, his aviation background appears limited. Anyway back to A380s at Stansted

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Old 1st Mar 2013, 13:32
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Good manners

Sorry the source was from the London evening standard.
I agree it is a bit of a tall order but at least they have an aim
Something BAA were lacking .
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 13:41
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I can just see funding these plans will keep Ryanair happy at STN....but I suppose they have nowhere else to go in London so they will just have to put up with it.
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 15:33
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Dream on Mr Cornish (MAG CEO) - does he honestly think airlines like Emirates etc are going to fly from Stansted - you have only got to look at Gatwick where long haul only waits for slots for Heathrow - except for some Caribbean and bucket and spade services. Well it sounds good but absolutely no chance!
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 16:31
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MAG might be the management team but those Ausi Speculators will be looking for quick results for their money one imagines.

These guys aren't know nothing amateur local councillors !
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 21:17
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Grrr

MAG calculates that 50 million people live within two hours’ drive of the Essex airport.

Chuckles from Whipsnade!

Stansted takeover: Manchester Airport Group pledge sky battle as they seal £1.5bn deal - Transport - News - London Evening Standard

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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 09:08
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BBC News - Ryanair threatens to cut Stansted Airport flights

Excellent news for Stansted
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 09:16
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there will be a lot of posturing by Ryanair in the next few months.... dont believe everything you hear.

Ryanair have no new aircraft on order so they need to think about where they put theor existing fleet to make the most money and to fulfill the commitments thay have made to airports.
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 13:20
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As a resident of Stockport, a rate payer and therefore a part owner of MAG I am more than a bit concerned that within days of MAG's acquisition of STN their largest customer at STN makes an announcement about reduction of service.

Ryanair's overly dominant position as a customer of STN was often cited as a reason not to be interested in buying STN.

Ok we all know about the high profile posturing that Ryan's get involved in in order to exert pressure and reduce costs, but for this to happen before the ink is even dry on the MAG acquisition is a real concern for me.

I want to see MAG prosper but I'm not sure that the STN deal was a good deal, especially now that now that they are in bed with a financial aprtner who will no doubt be looking for a quick return ... at any cost.

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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 15:38
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I think FR have reacted to BAAs last move which was a strange one and up charges days before the takeover happened.
I am also from Stockport avturboy.


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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 15:59
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The Ryanair cuts are probably a fairly short term issue. Can't see MAG keeping the charges as high as they are for any length of time if they really want to grow passenger traffic.

They've built bridges with Ryanair at Manchester (not litterally otherwise FR will be straight back out again), so I'm sure that they can entice Ryanair in some way or another, unless of course they want Ryanair to cut back to help get other airlines in???
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 20:52
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The issue is that Ryanair have no-where else to go. Yes, they can cut a few movements from STN, but the only economic hub that they have in SE England is STN, and there is nowhere else with sufficient capacity where they can move to.
Like it or not, Ryanair and STN are stuck with each other - but at least STN/MAG have the possibility of attracting more customers, whereas Ryanair can posture, but cannot easily move, say 50% of their flights to another airport.
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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 05:26
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Like it or not, Ryanair and STN are stuck with each other
You're probably right, but once the toys have been picked up, I wouldn't be surprised if FR start sniffing around Southend and are probably looking at increasing flights out of LTN to compensate.

MAG calculates that 50 million people live within two hours’ drive of the Essex airport.
Again with a UK population of 59.8 million (at the last census) then all carriers should be scrambling to operate from there
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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 06:29
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You're probably right, but once the toys have been picked up, I wouldn't be surprised if FR start sniffing around Southend and are probably looking at increasing flights out of LTN to compensate.

Don't think Southend will ever be an option until Ryanair start to replace their fleet due to runway limitations.
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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 07:35
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You are absolutely right, there is no possibility of FR operating from SEN's runway. I for one am very pleased that this is the case.
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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 08:17
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runway

well it sure cuts down where he can go. thats if they want to put pressure on stn. as was said sen would be better off without them.
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Old 3rd Mar 2013, 21:50
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The last thing we want at SEN is MOL and his rotton airline!!!
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 04:50
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There is some spare capacity at Luton to take based aircraft and no issues with non based aircraft outside the 2 hour morning peak but Luton has never gone beyond 4 Ryanair based aircraft as Luton and Ryanair have never been able to agree terms.

There is not even a hint that this is going to change so Ryanair will have to put up with Stansted.
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 06:17
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FAO mikkie4:

I'm sure Stobart and the other airport bosses share your views - NOT! You'd be crazy to turn an airline like Ryanair down; they bring millions of passengers through airport doors that you wouldn't have expected in the past. Look at the "outpost" airports in Europe. They rely on Ryanair. Its better to have one hub airline pulling the strings rather than no airline.
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 07:47
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You are quite wrong in that assumption as far as SEN is concerned.

You have to remember that SEN is capped at 2 mppa so isn't chasing volume in quite the same way as other airports.
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