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Good for you guys.
Stay strong and stay together.
Lufty has no spare capacity neither does anyone else so swiss depend on you for feeder flights and this is how you show your worth. For too long they have rebuilt their company at your expense.
From someone who knows alot of you guys
Well done.
Stay strong and stay together.
Lufty has no spare capacity neither does anyone else so swiss depend on you for feeder flights and this is how you show your worth. For too long they have rebuilt their company at your expense.
From someone who knows alot of you guys
Well done.
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Aftermath
Certain Swiss Managers are making mileage with the press and with docking pay for today as well as threats of dismissal if strikes are ever resorted to again.
You have missed getting or failed to get an important point across today - and that was that you have a court ruling that the company is dishonouring....
The future looks dirty - hope all of you have job offers in the pipeline - if so - the ONLY way to make people understand to is talk with you feet. And if every one of you who leaves writes a personal letter to Mr. Moritz Leuenberger telling him why you left and that his and MB's TV comments where the final straw to make up your minds all the better - and if Swiss Pilots would make an open section for all to see on their web, with all of those letters - perhaps then your actions might bring something more than the public besmerching action that was started in the media today against you.
You have missed getting or failed to get an important point across today - and that was that you have a court ruling that the company is dishonouring....
The future looks dirty - hope all of you have job offers in the pipeline - if so - the ONLY way to make people understand to is talk with you feet. And if every one of you who leaves writes a personal letter to Mr. Moritz Leuenberger telling him why you left and that his and MB's TV comments where the final straw to make up your minds all the better - and if Swiss Pilots would make an open section for all to see on their web, with all of those letters - perhaps then your actions might bring something more than the public besmerching action that was started in the media today against you.
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Thanks to all pilots, ex-colleagues or not, (EZS, NJE, FlyBaboo, Dassner, Virgin, Cathay, TAG etc.) who gave us a visit or a call during this day. For a lot of them this strike was also their strike. We will not release the pressure and we will continue with the same determination demonstrated today. Next step in a couple of days.
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crossing fingers
Best of luck to you all. The strike came late, but better late than never. Hope the future is orange 
, if not, be assured you (the ex-LX Pilots) are well respected in other parts of the world.
, if not, be assured you (the ex-LX Pilots) are well respected in other parts of the world.
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re: aftermath
Managers that haven't got things under control often try to save their behinds with various postulations etc.
Gofer, I understand your point about getting across the point about SWISS not complying with the court's ruling but depending upon which news reports, this item came through clearer than in others.
It seems though today, that the responsible managers for the first full blown strike in Swiss Aviation history are still bleating away about being open for discussion/negotiations blah blah, as long as it doesn't involve implementing the court's ruling (check today's papers).
One has to presume, according to the content the Swiss pilot's president comment said in one paper I read, that strike actions will have to be repeated......
Gofer, I understand your point about getting across the point about SWISS not complying with the court's ruling but depending upon which news reports, this item came through clearer than in others.
It seems though today, that the responsible managers for the first full blown strike in Swiss Aviation history are still bleating away about being open for discussion/negotiations blah blah, as long as it doesn't involve implementing the court's ruling (check today's papers).
One has to presume, according to the content the Swiss pilot's president comment said in one paper I read, that strike actions will have to be repeated......
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no worries, there will be 100% more strikeaction, according the stupid managements mail,which approached the pilots today by 7pm.Mgt said they have time to talk on 4 Oct for around 90 minutes!!
Thats nothing and to much time to wait, so there will be a reaction before, and then Mgt promised to fire people ......... Cheerio
TA
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stay the course!
I guess it's easy for me to say "stay the course" but you really don't have a choice. It is never a simple matter to call a strike, because whenever you give someone an ultimatum you also give one to yourselves.
So I suppose you had your own "Ruetli-Schwur" and embarked on the current course of action. I hope that your membership supports the process and I support your efforts from a distance.
Management must understand that Pilots know that these are difficult times in this industry, they must also understand that Labour are not the only ones that should carry the burden and worse, some groups more then others, while top executives get bonuses, golden parachutes and insured and secured pension and severance packages.
Fluf
So I suppose you had your own "Ruetli-Schwur" and embarked on the current course of action. I hope that your membership supports the process and I support your efforts from a distance.
Management must understand that Pilots know that these are difficult times in this industry, they must also understand that Labour are not the only ones that should carry the burden and worse, some groups more then others, while top executives get bonuses, golden parachutes and insured and secured pension and severance packages.
Fluf
Go for it!
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Thanks for your support guys!!
Management since to ignore our 1st wake up call... Looks like we will have to setup the alarm almost every other day if they don't understand what we want.
The worst is that we're only requesting EQUAL TREATMENT, nothing more.
They said that salaries of pilot >=100 seats are lower than >100 seats worldwide... It was never the case at Swissair before!!! And why are A319 pilots paid the same as A340 pilots??
If you have 101 seats on your aircraft, you also deserve more flight expenses, better pension fund, more vacations, more days off, a bonus in case of profit, a job protection and so on, this is also normal??
Give me a break, this management is so stupid, they should have a loook on successful airline, they have been given an airline with a very nice network, more than 80 regional aircrafts, and 4 billions to play with!!! After 3 years, everything is gone, Swiss is now German :-) What a joke!!!
Concerning US, the Swiss european pilots, no peace, we are ready to loose our jobs, we don't care about dissmissal threats!!
WE HAD MORE FUN DURING THIS 1 DAY STRIKE THAN DURING THE LAST 3 YEARS!!!
AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR FUN IN THE FOLLOWING DAYS !
brgds
Management since to ignore our 1st wake up call... Looks like we will have to setup the alarm almost every other day if they don't understand what we want.
The worst is that we're only requesting EQUAL TREATMENT, nothing more.
They said that salaries of pilot >=100 seats are lower than >100 seats worldwide... It was never the case at Swissair before!!! And why are A319 pilots paid the same as A340 pilots??
If you have 101 seats on your aircraft, you also deserve more flight expenses, better pension fund, more vacations, more days off, a bonus in case of profit, a job protection and so on, this is also normal??
Give me a break, this management is so stupid, they should have a loook on successful airline, they have been given an airline with a very nice network, more than 80 regional aircrafts, and 4 billions to play with!!! After 3 years, everything is gone, Swiss is now German :-) What a joke!!!
Concerning US, the Swiss european pilots, no peace, we are ready to loose our jobs, we don't care about dissmissal threats!!
WE HAD MORE FUN DURING THIS 1 DAY STRIKE THAN DURING THE LAST 3 YEARS!!!
AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR FUN IN THE FOLLOWING DAYS !
brgds
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It's a full blow standoff now. It's you or them! Go have some more fun before you report to other carriers for better prospects. All the best Crossair show MB his way.
show MB his way.
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Fight for your rights, guys...
Should you be fired, there are lots of good airlines worldwide who appreciate your good daily work. Ex-Crossair have excellent reputation all over.
Good luck!!!
Should you be fired, there are lots of good airlines worldwide who appreciate your good daily work. Ex-Crossair have excellent reputation all over.
Good luck!!!
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Swissair
Saw the latter part of part 1 of the Swiss TV documentary on the death of Swissair..... and was of reminded of the parallels of the arrogance, and now clear stupidity, of a Mr. Corti at that time and the actions of the current SEAL CEO MB.
Thought Moritz Suter's clips were brilliantly inserted. The DVD is available at SF1's online shop ... probably better value that the Swissair film on DVD.
Think somebody should lease around 30 50 seaterplanes, start a new airline - lets call it X-Air and have the the SEAL pilots all resign at once to join the new company. Yes pay might not be as high as the A-320 pilots get - but you would have your own show guys.... Also you could run all those routes that can't be made to pay with buses or 737's !!!!
Thought Moritz Suter's clips were brilliantly inserted. The DVD is available at SF1's online shop ... probably better value that the Swissair film on DVD.
Think somebody should lease around 30 50 seaterplanes, start a new airline - lets call it X-Air and have the the SEAL pilots all resign at once to join the new company. Yes pay might not be as high as the A-320 pilots get - but you would have your own show guys.... Also you could run all those routes that can't be made to pay with buses or 737's !!!!
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PR from the company
There's a release dated September 27th 2006 on the Swiss Air website that claims that all is back to normal and the dispute no longer affects operations.
http://www.swiss.com/web/strike?wt.a...P02_flightnews
Yet the posts on here, some as recent as 18 hours ago say no such thing.
What is the current status ?
I know nothing about the company or the underlying issues that gave rise to this dispute, but the last sentence in the statement on the company's website gives me a good idea of management's attitude: SWISS deeply regrets that, by striking, Swiss Pilotschose to manifest their labour dispute at the expense of the airline’scustomers.
What a stupid thing to say. A desperate attempt to make the customer think that the company is totally innocent and it's just a couple of hysterical "bad apples" who took industrial action.
http://www.swiss.com/web/strike?wt.a...P02_flightnews
Yet the posts on here, some as recent as 18 hours ago say no such thing.
What is the current status ?
I know nothing about the company or the underlying issues that gave rise to this dispute, but the last sentence in the statement on the company's website gives me a good idea of management's attitude: SWISS deeply regrets that, by striking, Swiss Pilotschose to manifest their labour dispute at the expense of the airline’scustomers.
What a stupid thing to say. A desperate attempt to make the customer think that the company is totally innocent and it's just a couple of hysterical "bad apples" who took industrial action.
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As a regular passenger and a senior manager in a large corporation, I can tell you that you are all delusional.... Having read the newspapers here it is obvious that you have lost a lot of sympathy. The company will feel strengthened in its approach and will remain firm. You might squeeze some concessions out of them but nothing like to the extent that you are looking for. If they did give you what you wanted, Swiss European would have no reason to be.
As Winglet 74 says you are all having fun...please continue and make the most of it. You may well lose your jobs....
As Winglet 74 says you are all having fun...please continue and make the most of it. You may well lose your jobs....
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Snoopy, if the company remains firm as it used to be, then it is poised to go bankrupt or grounded again...
See, those pilots have nothing to loose anymore. They get the shabbiest treatment you can imagine - and I'm talking mainly of "soft" factors (not money). They can leave this company anytime, and most of them will do it anyway. They don't need this company, but the company needs them: Swiss ordered quite a few Avro RJs, so it can be assumed that they make good money with them with the present conditions. And Swiss' customer won't accept this product delivered by foreign low budget franchising partner (see Swissair Express).
It's the biggest missconception of most of outsiders that they think the actors in the long Swiss saga act like normal people. Let me put it this way: You wouldn't believe what happens/happened if you would see behind the curtain. You as a senior manager would turn your face away in disgust.
Dani
See, those pilots have nothing to loose anymore. They get the shabbiest treatment you can imagine - and I'm talking mainly of "soft" factors (not money). They can leave this company anytime, and most of them will do it anyway. They don't need this company, but the company needs them: Swiss ordered quite a few Avro RJs, so it can be assumed that they make good money with them with the present conditions. And Swiss' customer won't accept this product delivered by foreign low budget franchising partner (see Swissair Express).
It's the biggest missconception of most of outsiders that they think the actors in the long Swiss saga act like normal people. Let me put it this way: You wouldn't believe what happens/happened if you would see behind the curtain. You as a senior manager would turn your face away in disgust.
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Good job guys, however a bit late, (A few years ago after the ruling) when we had more power (more numerous).
Keep going, you have all my support, keep the pressure till they fail and the Master Warning lit up! Then discharge the bottle and extinguish them definitely
Take care
Keep going, you have all my support, keep the pressure till they fail and the Master Warning lit up! Then discharge the bottle and extinguish them definitely
Take care
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Too much history being re-written here!
Swissair subsidised Crossair's marketing, distribution and IT costs massively.
Swissair saved Crossair in the past, prior to 2001.
I have sympathy for the crew in these current conditions, but don't live in the past talking about "ex-Swissair managers".
And respect that without Swissair, Crossair would have been bankrupted before.
BOTH sides needed each other to exist:
Without the SR long-haul network, LX would not have survived.
Without the LX feeders, SR long-haul would have struggled to compete in a global market.
Where we are now:
The competition is phenomenal - EZY are massive at GVA and BSL.
Today with Swiss selling tickets at 13 CHF return to BCN (not including taxes) to compete with Clickair, there is no sign of easy times ahead...for all staff whether they work in the air or on the ground.