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Swiss European Air Lines
The Swiss Pilots Association, representing the Avro pilots from Swiss European Air Lines (ex-Crossair) got a mandate from its members to call for industrial action in case their working conditions are not aligned with the one from the Airbus A320 family pilots (ex-Swissair) flying as well on the European network.
An answer from the management is expected on Monday the 25th of September 2006. If the motto one company, one working contract is not applied, the Avro pilots could be on strike as soon as Tuesday the 26th of September at 0530LT, as they all already got their strike instructions/duties.
As a reminder, a court decision in 2003 asked Swiss Intl Air Lines to stop discriminating the ex-Crossair pilots against the ex-Swissair pilots with less salary, less vacation, less off days, less pension, …
This court decision was simply not applied by the Swiss national carrier, which belonged at that time to the Swiss Federal and local governments, before being sold to Lufthansa.
All Avro pilots are ready!
An answer from the management is expected on Monday the 25th of September 2006. If the motto one company, one working contract is not applied, the Avro pilots could be on strike as soon as Tuesday the 26th of September at 0530LT, as they all already got their strike instructions/duties.
As a reminder, a court decision in 2003 asked Swiss Intl Air Lines to stop discriminating the ex-Crossair pilots against the ex-Swissair pilots with less salary, less vacation, less off days, less pension, …
This court decision was simply not applied by the Swiss national carrier, which belonged at that time to the Swiss Federal and local governments, before being sold to Lufthansa.
All Avro pilots are ready!
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title is wrong, they are not (yet) on strike. It all depends on what's happening on today's negotiation (officially Swiss does NOT negotiate with Swiss Pilots union).
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Radio Basilisk is reporting this on their news, but the local newspaper BaZ has not yet taken this up on their online news ticker. Their last article was on 22nd - sorry about the german but it basically matches initial thread posting.
Link to Swiss Pilots data with the facts (also in German) here. Suspect that Swiss's management fully underestimates the level of discontent and frustration within the "ex. Crossair" team, who were the vehicule to "save" much of the old Swissair operations.
Hopefully this inexperienced union, at least as far as strike action is concerned, will be successful in a country where any such action rarely starts and usually fizzels out fast if it does get off the ground at all.
Good luck guys & gals, this SLF is rooting for you...
Link to Swiss Pilots data with the facts (also in German) here. Suspect that Swiss's management fully underestimates the level of discontent and frustration within the "ex. Crossair" team, who were the vehicule to "save" much of the old Swissair operations.
Hopefully this inexperienced union, at least as far as strike action is concerned, will be successful in a country where any such action rarely starts and usually fizzels out fast if it does get off the ground at all.
Good luck guys & gals, this SLF is rooting for you...
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Yes you're right sorry Dani, not yet on strike but getting ready.
Officially Swiss doesn't negociate with Swisspilots association but since the union obtained a strike mandate after a successful ballot (82% of yes), Management seems to suddenly care about our working conditions...
The motion which was initiated by the members of SPA is clear, NO DISCRIMINATION for the European sector.
Let's wait and see...
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Officially Swiss doesn't negociate with Swisspilots association but since the union obtained a strike mandate after a successful ballot (82% of yes), Management seems to suddenly care about our working conditions...
The motion which was initiated by the members of SPA is clear, NO DISCRIMINATION for the European sector.
Let's wait and see...
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We don't care if the bananamanagement will negotiate or not. There is no negotiation area. We want the same contract for all pilots flying in the European segment: the good one (aeropampers) or the bad one (ex-Crossair). Every "non-trepanned" pilot is ready to strike as soon as the signal is received. We already know all our duties and the determination is strong. We are waiting this moment since many years...
See you.. on the ground.
See you.. on the ground.
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Hello Lov2Fly,
Yes here too, looking forward to see managers face in front of the media!!
They have been warn serveral times and they are still playing poker...
I'm now almost sure that we will be the next european airline on strike, the only discussion item within us is STRIKE.
See you on the ground.
Yes here too, looking forward to see managers face in front of the media!!
They have been warn serveral times and they are still playing poker...
I'm now almost sure that we will be the next european airline on strike, the only discussion item within us is STRIKE.
See you on the ground.
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Management heading for trouble again
News indicates that as of office closing time tonight, Swiss had not reacted to the deadline. So anybody travelling on Swiss in Europe from tomorrow on, had better not have a schedule to keep. Watch for action in the next few hours/days/weeks, until Swiss comes to a solution - whatever it may be.
RIP and good luck chaps & chapesses, and beware of the camera's.
RIP and good luck chaps & chapesses, and beware of the camera's.
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i cross the fingers for you
I was many years in this company and when swiss was founded aeropers flew THEIR airbuses under crossair callsign I can still remember in LHR which means if swiss exists now that is in great part of the ex-crossair and their pilots included!!!
I am with you guies,and hope you are going to win the battle against these non human...
I am with you guies,and hope you are going to win the battle against these non human...
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Good luck
Solidarity to the ex-Crossair people, amd the reasonable ex-Swissair folk too. As for the former Swissair management who are behaving traditionally, I hope you receive what you deserve.
As for the former Swissair management who are behaving traditionally, I hope you receive what you deserve.
Anyways, dear friends at Crossair (I used to work there, too), show them what determination is - and if you get fired, then don't beg, look for a better job, the time is now, the time is right! NJE, EZY, RYR etc...
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A Collective Labour Agreement negotiated by SWISS and Swiss Pilots was approved in March by a majority of the members of the SPA but the agreement failed by a narrow margin to gain the approval of the two-thirds majority required by statute. The essential trust required for a social partnership was harmed at that time by Swiss Pilots’ manipulation of the vote. As a consequence, SWISS no longer recognised the social partnership. With the individual contracts of employment that have since been in effect Swiss European continues to live up to its responsibilities as the employer of the Avro pilots and offers them conditions of employment that are in line with the market. These valid contracts enable Swiss European to operate its Avro fleet competitively, even in the tough struggle against low-cost carriers. Over the past 12 months this has also allowed SWISS to expand the Avro fleet by 30 per cent. Job cuts for operational reasons were thus avoided during the restructuring process and the Avro pilots were offered the prospect of a sustained future.
Swiss European is interested in establishing a loyal, future-oriented, trust-based social partnership and is keeping open its existing offer to engage in dialogue with the Avro pilots.
Swiss European is interested in establishing a loyal, future-oriented, trust-based social partnership and is keeping open its existing offer to engage in dialogue with the Avro pilots.
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ah ah good job guys!
now they will have to stop discriminating and pay you a respectable salary.or they will lose their opeator license...
WE ARE WITH YOU!!!
and complaints must be sent to the OFAC (swiss caa)
http://www.aviation.admin.ch/kontakt/index.html?lang=en
(don't miss the DVD realease of "grounding"...)
now they will have to stop discriminating and pay you a respectable salary.or they will lose their opeator license...
WE ARE WITH YOU!!!
and complaints must be sent to the OFAC (swiss caa)
http://www.aviation.admin.ch/kontakt/index.html?lang=en
(don't miss the DVD realease of "grounding"...)
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Threats
Swiss Management's latest press statement, implied threats if work was not resumed by 18:00.
I fear that Mr. Franz has NOT understood - it is HE and his management who contravene the court ruling. In a real democracy the differences in pay since the court ruling + interest should now be paid out to all - and a collective contract at the SAME rate as the other Swiss pilots for short haul, be offered immediately.
[U]
Unfortunately for Swiss Pilots they will find that Switzerland is not a real democracy and that the most probable course of action will be dismissals and sub-contracting the routes to Lufthansa, Austrian, SAS and any other Star alliance member able to pick up the slack. Such a move is in Chris Franz's interests so that he can make Swiss a virtual airline flown by others, faster than was ever thought possible.
Beware Guys ... but it would be nice if justice partially won out.
BaZ update at 12:00h today
BaZ news at 16:00h today
By 12:30 122 flights had been cancelled. the union confirms that the managements demand for a return to work by 18:00 will not be met - it is down tools for the full 24h period and at the time of the interview with Swiss Pilots representative there were no known strike breakers (in English 'scabs'). The cabin crew union are sympathetic and supportative of the Swiss Pilots cause, as are the Ground Staff !
Cabin Crew's Press Statement
Swiss have set up a help line for PAX, but their web site is pathetically uninformative.
I fear that Mr. Franz has NOT understood - it is HE and his management who contravene the court ruling. In a real democracy the differences in pay since the court ruling + interest should now be paid out to all - and a collective contract at the SAME rate as the other Swiss pilots for short haul, be offered immediately.
[U]
Unfortunately for Swiss Pilots they will find that Switzerland is not a real democracy and that the most probable course of action will be dismissals and sub-contracting the routes to Lufthansa, Austrian, SAS and any other Star alliance member able to pick up the slack. Such a move is in Chris Franz's interests so that he can make Swiss a virtual airline flown by others, faster than was ever thought possible.
Beware Guys
... but it would be nice if justice partially won out.BaZ update at 12:00h today
BaZ news at 16:00h today
By 12:30 122 flights had been cancelled. the union confirms that the managements demand for a return to work by 18:00 will not be met - it is down tools for the full 24h period and at the time of the interview with Swiss Pilots representative there were no known strike breakers (in English 'scabs'). The cabin crew union are sympathetic and supportative of the Swiss Pilots cause, as are the Ground Staff !
Cabin Crew's Press Statement
Swiss have set up a help line for PAX, but their web site is pathetically uninformative.
Last edited by gofer; 26th Sep 2006 at 15:18. Reason: Press updates and rough translations
