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What affect is the sale going to have on the scheduled operation?
3 aircraft is a large percentage of the fleet?
Is BA squeezing them big time on the EDI/LCY route?
I imagine Flybe is probably hammering them on the SOU/AMS as well.
3 aircraft is a large percentage of the fleet?
Is BA squeezing them big time on the EDI/LCY route?
I imagine Flybe is probably hammering them on the SOU/AMS as well.
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Suckling Airways trading as Scotairways do not own any aircraft therefore cannot sell them. Leasing companies often sell assests to other leasing companies with the aircraft remaining with the current lease holder as part of the deal. AFAIK all of Scots fleet have been "sold" at some point or other. The Do-328 is fully supported by 328 Support Services who are the current type cert holder. The type (prop) is in high demand and there are few decent examples available for lease or purchase. Scot will probably need more 328's not less from what I hear.
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BeeBopp you sound to much like you work for scotairways with all that information? are you flight deck or just a paper pusher? in there head office?
so are they going to get more aircraft? are they getting bigger? where will 2007 take them??!!
can I come and fly for you??
so are they going to get more aircraft? are they getting bigger? where will 2007 take them??!!
can I come and fly for you??
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Scot will scrap SOU-AMS with effect August 10. Reason given in the Dutch media is competition by Flybe. Bookings have been cancelled, not rebooked.
Official PR:
So the Scot Airways network is now down to ten daily rotations on two routes..... Or rather nine, as the timetable shows a morning LCY-EDI-LCY rotation by an Avro RJ? I thought this sort of muscle play had been long scrapped - when did they start using Cityjet on the EDI route?
Even with the additional Air France business on LCY-BHD, hardly enough work for four aircraft, let alone six (I understand that the 7th has been leased out to bmi regional).
Official PR:
Closure of Southampton - Amsterdam route
It is with regret that we announce, that after the 10th of August, ScotAirways will no longer be operating on the Southampton - Amsterdam route.
Any passengers booked to fly after this date are advised to contact our reservations department on 0870 60 60 707.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of our passengers who have flown to and from Southampton and Amsterdam with us over the last 9 years. It has been our pleasure and we shall miss you all.
It is with regret that we announce, that after the 10th of August, ScotAirways will no longer be operating on the Southampton - Amsterdam route.
Any passengers booked to fly after this date are advised to contact our reservations department on 0870 60 60 707.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of our passengers who have flown to and from Southampton and Amsterdam with us over the last 9 years. It has been our pleasure and we shall miss you all.
Even with the additional Air France business on LCY-BHD, hardly enough work for four aircraft, let alone six (I understand that the 7th has been leased out to bmi regional).
I guess opportunities for Scot move on just like they do for everyone else. The key is to keep on top of things and strike after new business opportunities when you see them.
Scot have had two aircraft out on lease to other scheduled carriers, one to CityJet for LCY to Belfast, and one with BMI for a range of routes from Leeds. This sort of work keeps many another airline going as well, as Titan or Flightline will tell you. And they have never aimed to employ all their fleet on schedules as they pick up a lot of charter work as well, particularly high-end customers such as major football teams, for whom a 30-seater is ideal and there is not a lot of other capacity of this size around.
The Dornier is out of production now and given the number parked up round the world the lease rates for what is still a very capable and presentable aircraft must be low. The vast majority of the costs will be hours-related, it makes sense therefore to only fly hours which are adequately remunerative.
Scot have had two aircraft out on lease to other scheduled carriers, one to CityJet for LCY to Belfast, and one with BMI for a range of routes from Leeds. This sort of work keeps many another airline going as well, as Titan or Flightline will tell you. And they have never aimed to employ all their fleet on schedules as they pick up a lot of charter work as well, particularly high-end customers such as major football teams, for whom a 30-seater is ideal and there is not a lot of other capacity of this size around.
The Dornier is out of production now and given the number parked up round the world the lease rates for what is still a very capable and presentable aircraft must be low. The vast majority of the costs will be hours-related, it makes sense therefore to only fly hours which are adequately remunerative.
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Hmm, the only 328 props stored are US-certified examples. For reasons I do not remember, they require a rather expensive and time-consuming refit for operations in Europe. German Cirrus Airlines that wants to replace its Dash 8 fleet with further D328s consequently has found it quite difficult to source suitable aircraft. However, the reason why they have pursued with their plan is indeed the relatively low capital costs that come along with the Dornier 328.
If I have it correct, Scot has seven aircraft. Two are leased out. DND-LCY requires one aircraft, EDI-LCY 1,5-2 aircraft. SOU-AMS kept another one busy. So we more or less have now two instead of one aircraft permanently available for charters.
If I have it correct, Scot has seven aircraft. Two are leased out. DND-LCY requires one aircraft, EDI-LCY 1,5-2 aircraft. SOU-AMS kept another one busy. So we more or less have now two instead of one aircraft permanently available for charters.
The last data I have tells me there are 34 Do328 turboprops stored out of 111 built, in other words about a third of the production. Some of these have been stored for years and will possibly never fly again after only a couple of years use. Most are indeed in the US.
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I'm surprised Scot Airways have never contemplated a LCY-ABZ service.
Twice daily morning and evening return would seem ideal for the D328.
And there is quite a lot of money in the oil industry.
For midday, does anybody operate LCY-GCI ?
Twice daily morning and evening return would seem ideal for the D328.
And there is quite a lot of money in the oil industry.
For midday, does anybody operate LCY-GCI ?
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No, nobody operates to GCI. I seem to remember that there have been rumours about Blue Islands looking into LCY-GCI, but I might be wring here.
As for ABZ-LCY, didn't Flybe operate to ABZ for a very short time in their British European period? I think City Star has been mentioned as the most likely operator for such a route. However, flights from ABZ to place like SVG and NWI are probably much more sought after than a service to LCY for which, I would guess, ABZ lacks sufficient demand.
As for ABZ-LCY, didn't Flybe operate to ABZ for a very short time in their British European period? I think City Star has been mentioned as the most likely operator for such a route. However, flights from ABZ to place like SVG and NWI are probably much more sought after than a service to LCY for which, I would guess, ABZ lacks sufficient demand.
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Scot Airways used to do ABZ-LCY and just like (when it was at the time) British European - it was a flop!
If BA Cityflyer did the route... it could well be different! There are lots of loyal BA customers on the ABZ-LHR route.
With slots being a premium at LCY... the regional jet will be the favourite versus a turboprop.
If BA Cityflyer did the route... it could well be different! There are lots of loyal BA customers on the ABZ-LHR route.
With slots being a premium at LCY... the regional jet will be the favourite versus a turboprop.
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There have indeed been many rumours floating around with regards to Blue Islands and Scotairways. There was and still are rumours doing the rounds that Blue Islands are to lease one of Scots Dorniers in order to operate their proposed Zurich service from the Channel Islands and to increase capacity on their IOM service. As for Blue Islands operating LCY from GCI that would be interesting, and im sure there would be more than enough demand to fill a twice daily service in a Dornier 328. LCY was one of many destinations that was suggested in the Blue Islands customer survey.
As for Scotairways and new routes, why do they not maybe expand and launch new routes out of Dundee or Edinburgh?? a 3-4 times weekly EDI-GCI service could work!
As for Scotairways and new routes, why do they not maybe expand and launch new routes out of Dundee or Edinburgh?? a 3-4 times weekly EDI-GCI service could work!
Why don't Scot Airways operate LCY-GCI?
Guernsey is desperate for new routes & operators.
The local business community are tired of queuing for hours at LGW and would easily swallow a high fare to LCY just for the convienience.
Scot management what are you waiting for? Do it NOW!
Guernsey is desperate for new routes & operators.
The local business community are tired of queuing for hours at LGW and would easily swallow a high fare to LCY just for the convienience.
Scot management what are you waiting for? Do it NOW!
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So are you guys pleased with the franchise deal with City Jet/Air France? Do you see them as you saviour? Are any of you going to start flying their jets? Has there been any job losses as I see they are taking over ticketing/marketing.I'll be sorry if there is, although I guess you wouldn't be sorry to lose that tubby marketing guy at cambridge who I once saw eating all your profits at the East Fortune Air Show.
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Scot-Airways Reservations at Dundee to close with the loss of 8 jobs. Was announced in local paper other day. All bookings will now be taken by Air France.
Not good news for Dundee or Scot-Airways.
With regards to aircraft, heard that SA will be using the RJ's to operate the edi-lcy route and the remaining d328's will be used on dnd-lcy and for charters ?
Would have thought the numbers on the dnd-lcy route would have made them look at using an rj on it ?
Not good news for Dundee or Scot-Airways.
With regards to aircraft, heard that SA will be using the RJ's to operate the edi-lcy route and the remaining d328's will be used on dnd-lcy and for charters ?
Would have thought the numbers on the dnd-lcy route would have made them look at using an rj on it ?
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I don't think Flybe (or Flymaybe as so many weird people refer it to) can be blamed for Scot Airways inability to secure demand on a route they have been operating for so long.
If Scot Airways offerd such an excellent service then their client list should have remained...the fact that Flybe offered similar routes should not have deterred passengers if Scot Airways package was so superior. Don't forget that Blue Islands which also isn't the largest airline around is operating in direct competition with BE and seem to be doing ok at the moment.
Unfortunatley this is what the aviation industry is all about, I am surprised at the number of job losses because I would have just thought that the Board of Directors for Scot Airways would look at offering a different service rather than withdrawing all together leaving so many jobless. I do feel for those who now have to look elsewhere but as I say this is what happens in this industry.....I do wish all those staff members the best and I am sure that they will be snapped up by another company.
And also something tells me BE won't be going bankrupt tomorrow......if they do I will eat my own hat.....whilst searching for a new job.
Before anyone jumps back my throat.....I would like to remind them that this is a discussion forum and therefore we need to have two sides to each story taken into account.
I don't think Flybe (or Flymaybe as so many weird people refer it to) can be blamed for Scot Airways inability to secure demand on a route they have been operating for so long.
If Scot Airways offerd such an excellent service then their client list should have remained...the fact that Flybe offered similar routes should not have deterred passengers if Scot Airways package was so superior. Don't forget that Blue Islands which also isn't the largest airline around is operating in direct competition with BE and seem to be doing ok at the moment.
Unfortunatley this is what the aviation industry is all about, I am surprised at the number of job losses because I would have just thought that the Board of Directors for Scot Airways would look at offering a different service rather than withdrawing all together leaving so many jobless. I do feel for those who now have to look elsewhere but as I say this is what happens in this industry.....I do wish all those staff members the best and I am sure that they will be snapped up by another company.
And also something tells me BE won't be going bankrupt tomorrow......if they do I will eat my own hat.....whilst searching for a new job.
Before anyone jumps back my throat.....I would like to remind them that this is a discussion forum and therefore we need to have two sides to each story taken into account.
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