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Rather large aircraft and range capabilities for servicing just the WA regions? Sydney, Melburne and Brisbane wouldn't be on the drawing boards by any chance with a link to SIA services? A codeshare with SIA would throw the cat amongst the pigeons and put the pressure on Virgin to get its finger out on OS ops.
I can hear alarm bells going off in some corporate offices.
I can hear alarm bells going off in some corporate offices.
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Originally Posted by Lodown
Rather large aircraft and range capabilities for servicing just the WA regions? Sydney, Melburne and Brisbane wouldn't be on the drawing boards by any chance with a link to SIA services? A codeshare with SIA would throw the cat amongst the pigeons and put the pressure on Virgin to get its finger out on OS ops.
I can hear alarm bells going off in some corporate offices.
I can hear alarm bells going off in some corporate offices.
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as long as my big ol' a-hole points to the ground there is no way any hc-rpt operator can get an aircraft of that complexity up, on the aoc and running by november. Even the captain's of dodge, njs, took them 5 months and only by the skin of their hairy chin chins. What about maintenance, have they a hangar capable of taking it, no operators on the perth airfield would have coverage and only the old an guys would have coverage.
6 to 8 months at the very least.
6 to 8 months at the very least.
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B772, it could be anything. I'm only sprouting off based on the information I've read over time on Pprune. SIA wants a shot at domestic ops in Australia to add to their international services. The lack of codeshare means a cap on their growth in Australia. Qantas has an enormous advantage over every other operator into Australia because of their International and Domestic integration. As a comparitively small operator on the PER-SIN run, Skywest would be taking some big risks. The main one being that other airlines with much deeper pockets would quickly find out if they were making a profit and jump on the route. Another issue would be expanding from a domestic into the international marketplace. A tie-in with SIA would make an expansion a much safer bet. The links mentioned above in other posts with Singapore seem to be more than just coincidence. A codeshare domestic operation with SIA would be a relatively safe way to expand into trans-national domestic ops.
Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic, but it would be nice to know. I would enjoy seeing some real competition to Qantas.
Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic, but it would be nice to know. I would enjoy seeing some real competition to Qantas.
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Lodown, please forgive me if I misunderstood your posts, but Singapore Airlines already has three daily flights from Perth to Singapore and QANTAS two. They don’t need to “jump on the route” if a smaller operator makes a profit.
I’m not sure about the Singapore Airlines strategy of making a backdoor entry into the domestic market . . . maybe you are right?
And earlier you said “Rather large aircraft and range capabilities for servicing just the WA regions?”
Maybe you are also right about Skwyest's greater domestic expansion strategy - but the distances and demand are quite large in WA. As you can see from the MMA (Ansett) photo above, the market supported a fleet of F-28s in the 1970s – which were upgraded to later model Fokkers and then 146s. I think the booming WA market has been under serviced since the demise of Ansett in 2001 and we’re finally seeing its re-stabilisation. But I could be wrong?
In any case I too would like to see more competition in the domestic market.
Cheers
Pedota
I’m not sure about the Singapore Airlines strategy of making a backdoor entry into the domestic market . . . maybe you are right?
And earlier you said “Rather large aircraft and range capabilities for servicing just the WA regions?”
Maybe you are also right about Skwyest's greater domestic expansion strategy - but the distances and demand are quite large in WA. As you can see from the MMA (Ansett) photo above, the market supported a fleet of F-28s in the 1970s – which were upgraded to later model Fokkers and then 146s. I think the booming WA market has been under serviced since the demise of Ansett in 2001 and we’re finally seeing its re-stabilisation. But I could be wrong?
In any case I too would like to see more competition in the domestic market.
Cheers
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Pedota, no misunderstanding. My error. I should have said, "...jump on the newcomer." I haven't a clue whether SIA would make a backdoor entry into the domestic market, but it's a nice thought all the same.
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IF the date of 2 Nov was a goer, interesting that that is so nice and close to Alliances date of 1 Nov for start up in WA.
Is there any chance that they are in cahoots with each other?
That would be a reasonable link up .. f100's to scoot around the mines and the other stuff for the larger domestic/Bali routes - and the WA/NT routes are dreadfully underserviced. For that matter, DRW-ADL-PER could use an altn as well!
I have heard that crew from one low level operator from the top end flatly refuses to board the turbo prop fleet from another DRW based operator.
Is there any chance that they are in cahoots with each other?
That would be a reasonable link up .. f100's to scoot around the mines and the other stuff for the larger domestic/Bali routes - and the WA/NT routes are dreadfully underserviced. For that matter, DRW-ADL-PER could use an altn as well!
I have heard that crew from one low level operator from the top end flatly refuses to board the turbo prop fleet from another DRW based operator.
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Of course they could be up and running with a new type by 2nd November. There is a provision in the regulations to allow foreign registered airplanes to be added to an AOC for up to 6 months. Crews would have to hold the licence of the country of registry to fly them. Plenty of time for those crews to train the locals, then switch to Oz rego. Most of the manuals are probably already written and if already in their hands even CASA could assess an addition to an AOC in 60 days if they pulled their finger out.
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I have heard that crew from one low level operator from the top end flatly refuses to board the turbo prop fleet from another DRW based operator.
They will not travel Darwin - Broome or any were else for that matter with a particular companies E120, based on perceived safety reasons.
News from Iceland and the United KIngdom
Avion Group Joint Venture with Advent Air Limited
8/18/2006, Avion Group, a leading international transport solutions group, is pleased to announce a strategic joint venture with Advent Air Ltd an Australasian airline group, listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange (AAIR.LN).
Under the terms of the agreement, Avion’s subsidiaries, Star Airlines of France and Star Europe of Germany, will between them provide up to four Airbus A320 aircraft to Advent Air’s subsidiary, Skywest Ltd.
Avion Group, a leading international transport solutions group, is pleased to announce a strategic joint venture with Advent Air Ltd an Australasian airline group, listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange (AAIR.LN).
Under the terms of the agreement, Avion’s subsidiaries, Star Airlines of France and Star Europe of Germany, will between them provide up to four Airbus A320 aircraft to Advent Air’s subsidiary, Skywest Ltd.
Skywest is an award winning airline that has been meeting the needs of Australian domestic and international tourists and business travellers for more than 42 years. Skywest has flown millions of passengers throughout Western Australia, to the Northern Territory of Australia and to Indonesia.
Skywest reported turnover last year of over A$100 million, yielding profits of A$7 million. Skywest has reported high growth in passenger numbers from 2004 when Advent became its dominant shareholder with a controlling interest.
Avion’s Charter & Leisure division are responsible for securing the deal with Advent, in line with their stated strategy of focusing on maximum utilisation of aircraft through agreements with airlines throughout the World.
Under the terms of the deal with Advent, Avion’s Star Airlines will benefit from utilisation of their A320 aircraft during the Winter schedule, from November to April, which is Skywest’s peak season given their long haul destinations. This is contrary to Star Airlines’ and Star Europe’s high season therefore, maximising utilization of existing aircraft.
Avion has also made an agreement with Xtra Airways, headquartered in Nevada USA, to lease part of Excel Airways’ fleet during the Winter schedule, also high season for Xtra Airways. Xtra will lease three to four aircraft from Excel Airways over Winter 2006.
Delivery of the first aircraft under the deal with Advent, is scheduled for November 2006 in Perth, Australia, with the remaining aircraft delivered, subject to both parties’ agreement, over an anticipated period of two years from November 2007. The first aircraft will be available on Skywest’s route network year round, following which, it is anticipated additional aircraft will be made available on a demand driven and seasonal basis every year.
Additionally, Avion has signed an agreement to purchase 9,801,012 ordinary shares in the capital of Advent Air Ltd, representing approximately 5% of the currently issued share capital of the company. The share purchase represents an investment of £1,421,147 by Avion Group. The purchase will be financed through Avion Group’s equity and with debt.
Commenting on the joint venture, Magnus Thorsteinsson, Chairman of Avion Group, said:
“This agreement with Advent not only provides the Group with further revenue potential, but is also an endorsement of the many opportunities we believed Star Airlines would represent for Avion when we acquired the company earlier this year.
“The deal provides Avion Group access to the highly lucrative and fast growing Australian and Asian aviation markets through utilisation of Star’s fleet, which comprise some of the newest and highest quality aircraft within the market place.”
1,421,147.00 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 3,516,270.32 AUD Australia Dollars
8/18/2006, Avion Group, a leading international transport solutions group, is pleased to announce a strategic joint venture with Advent Air Ltd an Australasian airline group, listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange (AAIR.LN).
Under the terms of the agreement, Avion’s subsidiaries, Star Airlines of France and Star Europe of Germany, will between them provide up to four Airbus A320 aircraft to Advent Air’s subsidiary, Skywest Ltd.
Avion Group, a leading international transport solutions group, is pleased to announce a strategic joint venture with Advent Air Ltd an Australasian airline group, listed on the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange (AAIR.LN).
Under the terms of the agreement, Avion’s subsidiaries, Star Airlines of France and Star Europe of Germany, will between them provide up to four Airbus A320 aircraft to Advent Air’s subsidiary, Skywest Ltd.
Skywest is an award winning airline that has been meeting the needs of Australian domestic and international tourists and business travellers for more than 42 years. Skywest has flown millions of passengers throughout Western Australia, to the Northern Territory of Australia and to Indonesia.
Skywest reported turnover last year of over A$100 million, yielding profits of A$7 million. Skywest has reported high growth in passenger numbers from 2004 when Advent became its dominant shareholder with a controlling interest.
Avion’s Charter & Leisure division are responsible for securing the deal with Advent, in line with their stated strategy of focusing on maximum utilisation of aircraft through agreements with airlines throughout the World.
Under the terms of the deal with Advent, Avion’s Star Airlines will benefit from utilisation of their A320 aircraft during the Winter schedule, from November to April, which is Skywest’s peak season given their long haul destinations. This is contrary to Star Airlines’ and Star Europe’s high season therefore, maximising utilization of existing aircraft.
Avion has also made an agreement with Xtra Airways, headquartered in Nevada USA, to lease part of Excel Airways’ fleet during the Winter schedule, also high season for Xtra Airways. Xtra will lease three to four aircraft from Excel Airways over Winter 2006.
Delivery of the first aircraft under the deal with Advent, is scheduled for November 2006 in Perth, Australia, with the remaining aircraft delivered, subject to both parties’ agreement, over an anticipated period of two years from November 2007. The first aircraft will be available on Skywest’s route network year round, following which, it is anticipated additional aircraft will be made available on a demand driven and seasonal basis every year.
Additionally, Avion has signed an agreement to purchase 9,801,012 ordinary shares in the capital of Advent Air Ltd, representing approximately 5% of the currently issued share capital of the company. The share purchase represents an investment of £1,421,147 by Avion Group. The purchase will be financed through Avion Group’s equity and with debt.
Commenting on the joint venture, Magnus Thorsteinsson, Chairman of Avion Group, said:
“This agreement with Advent not only provides the Group with further revenue potential, but is also an endorsement of the many opportunities we believed Star Airlines would represent for Avion when we acquired the company earlier this year.
“The deal provides Avion Group access to the highly lucrative and fast growing Australian and Asian aviation markets through utilisation of Star’s fleet, which comprise some of the newest and highest quality aircraft within the market place.”
1,421,147.00 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 3,516,270.32 AUD Australia Dollars
f100's to scoot around the mines and the other stuff for the larger
As for an A320 being "too big" for WA. I suggest some of you take out an atlas and look at the distance from Perth to Broome/Hedland/Karratha/Learmonth and of course Bali.
The aircraft may arrive in November but they will not be on revenue flights until early 2007.
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a strip capable of handling a F100
How about PBO or Newman (the code escapes me), Barrow Island (I think there's something in the offing there in the not too distant future). When I say mines, I wasn't referring to the short dirt strips scattered around the country side.
Will be interesting to watch, indeed.
a strip capable of handling a F100
How about PBO or Newman (the code escapes me), Barrow Island (I think there's something in the offing there in the not too distant future). When I say mines, I wasn't referring to the short dirt strips scattered around the country side.
Will be interesting to watch, indeed.
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Interesting Gas Chamber, as dodgy said about 5 months to get Oz registered a/c into another oz registered operator, 1 a/c initially, with skeleton crews on 1 route, manuals already in circulation from existing oz operator and all that with a truckload of help from said oz operators flight and ground staff.......but Skywest will do it in 2 months with foreign a/c from a foreign operator with ( i assume ) foreign crews, since an A320 rating for a skywest pilot from wo to go is 3 to 3 1/2 months.
Icarus, yep PBO or NWN or BWI, no probs, just need to have a litle thing called a contract, can't operate into any of those without one. Ansett tried after they lost the contract to Q/Link and were told in no uncertain terms to PO.
Am a bit confused about the article stating that November to April is peak season....the wet (north ) used to be the off season, oh well, thats global warming for ya.
Icarus, yep PBO or NWN or BWI, no probs, just need to have a litle thing called a contract, can't operate into any of those without one. Ansett tried after they lost the contract to Q/Link and were told in no uncertain terms to PO.
Am a bit confused about the article stating that November to April is peak season....the wet (north ) used to be the off season, oh well, thats global warming for ya.
News Fron Iceland : Avion Company Info
LEADERSHIP IN TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS
Avion Group is an investment company formed on January 1, 2005 to invest in the transportation industry, and is currently formed of three business divisions: Shipping & Logistics, Aviation Services and Charter & Leisure. The Shipping & Logistics division is represented by Eimskip, the prime maritime transportation company in Iceland, with its fleet of approximately 30 ships, 40 coldstores, 3,000 employees at 80 operational bases. Aviation Services is represented by Air Atlanta Icelandic and maintenance service provider, Avia Technical Services. The Charter & Leisure division is represented by Excel Airways Group in the UK, Star Airlines, the second largest charter airline in France and the newly founded Star Europe in Germany. Currently there are approximately 60 Boeing and Airbus aircraft in Avion Group's fleet with 3,500 employees involved in our Aviation Services and Charter & Leisure activities.
Avion Group is an investment company formed on January 1, 2005 to invest in the transportation industry, and is currently formed of three business divisions: Shipping & Logistics, Aviation Services and Charter & Leisure. The Shipping & Logistics division is represented by Eimskip, the prime maritime transportation company in Iceland, with its fleet of approximately 30 ships, 40 coldstores, 3,000 employees at 80 operational bases. Aviation Services is represented by Air Atlanta Icelandic and maintenance service provider, Avia Technical Services. The Charter & Leisure division is represented by Excel Airways Group in the UK, Star Airlines, the second largest charter airline in France and the newly founded Star Europe in Germany. Currently there are approximately 60 Boeing and Airbus aircraft in Avion Group's fleet with 3,500 employees involved in our Aviation Services and Charter & Leisure activities.
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Quick q for ya, could one take an F100 to Barrow from Perth direct, or do they have to stop somewhere on the way for security/customs (say BME).. just wondering because I know one or two Per-based operators did it with turboprops (being security checked arriving Per) can't remember if they had to stop on the way up though...
There's more than QF, DJ or XR Perth to Darwin... if you like turboprops that is...
There's more than QF, DJ or XR Perth to Darwin... if you like turboprops that is...