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Old 23rd Nov 2008, 18:37
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Well we shall see what happens then, we have crews for eight saabs on line or in training and currently have six. We are in the midst of line training lots of new recruits for these new aircraft, if the majority of ABZ flightline crews were coming across that would be difficult to understand. Im only telling you what is happening right now. Whether its what you want to hear or not thats up to you. One or two flightline pilots may get jobs but not the whole base, thats the future which has yet to be decided. Ask yourself these questions? How could Easterns Aberdeen base absorb a whole bases worth of crew? Would you be busy training new pilots if you had a load coming anyway from another airline? I wouldnt be too complacent about automatically coming to Eastern and start applying; which I'm sure you are. We do need a few jetstream captains tho.. Hey if it happens well done, thats a great deal you will have secured, and everyone at aberdeen will look forward to flying with you.

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Old 23rd Nov 2008, 19:22
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Unfortunately PW you appear not to understand the law reagrding TUPE. This is quite different from merely changing your supermarket allegence. The law is there to protect workers on an existing contract when that contract is awarded to another supplier. Therefore ALL Flightline employees who have been involved in the IAC contract must by law be taken on by Eastern. The employer (and the employees) have no option. If a Flightline pilot, engineer, check in staff etc... do not want to be TUPE'd they must resign without any redundancy - and I think that extremely unlikely. If Eastern do not want to employ them then after a specific period of time they must give the employee notice and pay them redundancy.
As I understand it both parties have accepted that TUPE applies and the IAC have insisted that it is observed by Eastern. How Eastern deal with this and the potential issues it will no doubt raise with it's existing employees only time will tell - but I wish them the best of luck.
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 12:46
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If and it is a big IF, flightline crews are TUPE'd across Eastern will have to offer them a job.

But it will be on Eastern terms and conditions and that means a big drop in salary for flightline crews. They have then the option of taking it or lumping it, their choice.

Eastern have been in this position before with BA Citiexpress, do not forget
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 13:45
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sorry its not on Easterns terms if you are TUPE you stay on the same terms and conditions. Your pay remains the same. Eastern can then try and buy you out of your contract, but that is what happens with TUPE.
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 15:31
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Correct. Flightline crew's terms and conditions remain unchanged under the TUPE regs 2006. Integrating them on the ABZ - SCS contract is the responsibility of Eastern.

Also of note, is that under the regulations, crews at Eastern ...."whose jobs might be affected by the transfer." must be "informed and consulted" through their representatives.
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 18:55
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Quote from ACAS website:

"Which transfers are not covered?

TUPE does not apply to:
transfer of a contract to provide goods or services where this doesn't involve the transfer of a business or part of a business."

Is a business transfer taking place? The Flightline aircrew aren't employed by IAC. Perhaps TUPE only applies to the ground staff?
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 18:57
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Sorry to change subject but what a missed op by RL for the IOM - LCY. Now Aer Arran to do 3 daily flights with ATR 72 and being subsidised by IOM GOV.

Although id rather them than be
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 19:23
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The TUPE regulations were revisied in 2006. The regulations can be found on the BERR (Department for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform) website.

"Subject to certain qualifing conditions, the Regulations apply:

a) when a business or undertaking, or part of one, is transferred to a new employer; or

b) when a "service provision change" takes place (for example, where a contractor takes on a contract to provide a service for a client from another contractor)."

Quoted from the 2006 regulations - Part 1 - Overview of the TUPE Regulations.

Having looked at the ACAS website, it appears to contradict the published regulations in this respect. However, as had been stated, both companies agree that TUPE does apply.
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 19:54
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If both companies agree then why has Eastern already recruited a substantial number of extra pilots to crew the new aircraft?
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 20:00
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I have no idea why Eastern are heavily recruiting. The IAC contract was only awared to them 2 weeks ago. Thats pretty quick recruitment if they've already got all the required crews for the contract. Looks like there will be a few (or a lot) more come Feb 6th then.
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Old 24th Nov 2008, 20:37
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It would appear that Eastern (management) may not have initially realised the implications of TUPE with regards the transfer of flightdeck, although they certainly do now and have accepted it. I would assume that they (Eastern management) will now "advise and consult" with their crews whose jobs are affected as per Part 5 (b) 2006 TUPE.
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Old 25th Nov 2008, 09:02
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As the Skatsta contract is only for a short interim period, will TUPE not be de-valued? May be better to get your redundancy and enter the market?
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Old 25th Nov 2008, 09:09
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TUPE applies, therefore there is no choice. All Flightline crew (ground staff, engineers, cabin crew, flightdeck, ops staff) have to accept it and transfer, or resign. Flightline is not responsible for redundancy therefore if they resign they will get no redundancy. In addition, the market isn't all that good just now, so the best option for the majority will be to transfer albeit with the prospect of doing it again in 16 months.
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Old 25th Nov 2008, 14:01
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As Flightline have parked their MD80s and put crews on unpaid leave, I would expect the crews in ABZ to be happy to move to Eastern. Flightline is not doing well. In the current economic climate having a job is a good starting point, even if you intend to look for another one.
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Old 3rd Dec 2008, 08:54
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Flightline Gone under last night. The SAAB's are starting today, two months early!
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Old 3rd Dec 2008, 15:37
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With Flightline going under that should bring an end to all this TUPE nonsense, no?

There are a number of EZE flights showing on the board at ABZ from Sumburgh presumably for IAC? Have Eastern got the new Saabs yet, they're gonna need them sooner than they thought!
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Old 3rd Dec 2008, 20:52
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I'm not so sure if TUPE applies and whether the company would merge the seniority lists. I would of thought the crews would join on the tail end. Under the present situation I don't think anybody would object. In any case the lists are only ever used for redundancy purposes and leave allocation.
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Old 4th Dec 2008, 01:40
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It would have made sense for T3 & FLT to merge before FLT's demise yesterday.

But, then T3 would have maybe had too many crews to look after?

If the contract is for x amount of months then the additional crews would maybe have been out on the road later than now?

I hope T3 can help out ex FLT crews at this hard time.
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Old 4th Dec 2008, 07:26
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Eastern are operating to Sumburgh instead of scatsa in the short term as crews are not yet trained for Scatsa arrivals.
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Old 5th Dec 2008, 16:08
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Relevant article here,seems that HIAL at Sumburgh will have done well out of this weeks event, with lots of extra flights:
Sumburgh gains as Flightline goes
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