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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:11
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I am a regular passenger on BA Connect services, particularly on the Southampton-Manchester route. I choose BA Connect out of choice as I have flown Flybe quite a number of times and was not impressed. I am truly dreading any future flights on that route now.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:16
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BA finally leaves the regions

The writing has been on the wall for ages. Many of us have been saying that all the base-closures and fleet run-downs were simply a way of preparing BACX/BAConnect for sale.

How ironic renaming BACX as BAConnect when in reality BA was trying to dis-Connect BACX from BA. More like BADisconnect.

It's taken BA 5 years to achieve this objective which was started by Rod Eddington moving the Airbus out of BHX, the B737 out of MAN and the RJ100 out of LGW. British Airways has finally left the regions.

A great shame for all those who were happy working for Brymon, British Regional Airlines and Manx. It's not surprising many of them don't trust BA.

Who will operate the LCY routes? Will these routes be operated purely by BA secondees? The RJ100 leases expire in 18 months time, will they be replaced by Airbus 318 or will this be the time to wind-up the LCY operation?
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I think if they do stay on the IOM the Manchester route would be very important and they would soom see off Euromanx


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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:18
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Read the Regional press releases on the Flybe site. Cutting through the spin they will tell you a lot:

- lots of talk of commitment to JER, GCI, BHX, MAN, SOU, NWI, EXT, LBA etc. No such wording on the BRS release
- bases with at least 10 a/c at BHX and MAN
- "lifeline" routes like LGW-INV, LGW-IOM to be retained
- intention is to retain BACON IOM Maint Base, to "supplement" EXT
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:21
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Old news to those of us in the know!!. Bye Bye BA. PMSL,
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:26
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A few months ago Evans stood up in front of the Isle of Man business community telling us all how committed BA were to the IOM. He found much scepticism - how right we were.

They bought Manx Airlines, ended our LHR link, cut back on just about every other route, and then introduced the ridiculous BA Connect concept where business people ended up paying more for less service on the LGW route. And he thought this was a good thing for the Island?

If ever there was an individual with his head up his own a$$, then it was this man.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:27
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Interesting to see BA retaining a 15% stake. WW is not daft, I should think he is a little nervouse of losing influence over all those peak time slots at BHX and MAN. Who knows when they may need them.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:27
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Originally Posted by bmibaby.com
This will hopefully create a more versatile competitor out of the regions, mixing BA Connect's established services to major European business cities with flybe's decisions to serve leisure destinations on the continent. Combine this with an increasingly successful brand, a fleet of aircraft which can actually compete or fly under the radar of the likes of Ryanair and a generally low cost base - this should hopefully be better for the future of the airline, and in turn their crews. What the passengers will think is another story? For example, will flybe move their flights operated by 5 based BHX based aircraft to T2 and what will happen to BA's ground staff, will they go to Swissport?
As ground handling going to flybe isn't part of the deal it wouldn't suprise me if they go the other way and move to BA, the same way American did as part of one world, not by choice but as part of the contract.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 08:55
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BA will form a new company to operate London City routes with the current RJ flight / cabin crew being given the option of moving to this. Believe to be based in Edi....
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 09:25
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Originally Posted by False Capture
BAConnect currently have 10 RJ100s.
Not quite. BA is going to retain 10 RJ100's after they've sold off BA CON to FlyBE to operate routes to/from LCY. WW just said at their presentation this morning that they will expand the number of destinations they serve (out of LCY) and increase the frequencies to those they already serve (EDI, FRA and MXP)
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 09:45
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Originally Posted by biddedout
Interesting to see BA retaining a 15% stake. WW is not daft, I should think he is a little nervouse of losing influence over all those peak time slots at BHX and MAN. Who knows when they may need them.
A 15% stake will give BA no control over the slots. They may have negociated a position on the flybe board but that would only be to represent their interests.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 09:49
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Trade IN

With the breaking news of Flybe to take over BA connect will Flybe trade in the EMB145 fleet against more EMB195????
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 09:54
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Originally Posted by Blue-Footed Boobie
PS: No wonder flyBE has stalled the pilot T&C's since April, they were diverting their money into this project.
Reading the various Press Releases it is safe to assume that flybe are paying ZERO to aquire BACon. The press release says:-

Originally Posted by flybe.com
BA will ensure that the new business has sufficient funding in order to achieve its growth targets and the transition out of the current BA Connect fleet. In return it will acquire a 15% stake in the new business.
In other words BA are handling over the entire business to flybe in return for a 15% in the enlarged company. Depending on the terms of the float BA will either get this back in cash or retain a 15% shareholding in the listed company.

It would also seem that BA will fund the costs associated with returning EMBs and Dash8s to the lessors.

It sounds like a good deal for flybe. They get crews, routes, bases and (for a short time) fleet capacity tio help them grow.

The only costs that flybe will have incurred in this acquisition is for various professional services (lawyers, merchant bankers, other advisers, etc, etc)
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 09:58
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Hope so the difference on flying on a EMB145 and full size airliner makes all the difference as they are so cramped for anyone of over small size

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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 10:14
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Originally Posted by devon_guy
I can see BA/Flybe pulling out of places like BRS now and moving down to EXT and expanding services from there. I don't think it's an altogether good move. The old BA brand will lose a lot of customers I reckon.
I'm struggling to understand the before and after network maps they've published. The "after" one doesn't show destinations such as AMS and SZG and shows the routes from EXT as being only GLA, DUB & MAN

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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 10:18
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I'm trying to make sense of the aircraft numbers they quote, and they don't quite add up. Using Jethro's excellent site I reckon current numbers are:

BA Connect:
4 146s
8 Dash 8-300s
28 E145s
(and 10 RJ100s, but these all seem to be tied to the LCY operation from what has been said and not part of the deal)

Flybe:
12 146s (2 due to retire by the end of the year)
25 Dash 8-400s
1 E195 (1 more due in service this year)

This totals 77 aircraft expected to be in service at 1st Jan, when they hope to complete the deal (compared to the quote of 82 when the transaction is closed on the Flybe website). They then expect to consolidate to 70 aircraft by the end of 2007.

Flybe currently have announced total orders for 45 400s (including the 25 mentioned) and for 14 195s (including those above), plus 12 options. Thus they will either take beyond the end of 2007 to retire the BA Connect aircraft, or will exercise the 195 options AND accelerate their delivery (the last of the first 14 195s is currently due in 2009); or will take longer to retire the 146s currently with Flybe than I thought.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 10:36
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Regional Press Releases

Originally Posted by parkfell
What impact will this have for Inverness crews and ground staff?

includes Inverness.....

notable exception is Liverpool......
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 10:44
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The route map does not make any sense. For example, no INV at all, but lots of routes from BRS that has not been mentioned in the press releases as a future market.

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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 10:54
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Originally Posted by Robertkc
Not quite. BA is going to retain 10 RJ100's after they've sold off BA CON to FlyBE to operate routes to/from LCY. WW just said at their presentation this morning that they will expand the number of destinations they serve (out of LCY) and increase the frequencies to those they already serve (EDI, FRA and MXP)
How about slots and apron space at LCY ? Do they expect that existing carriers will fit their Fokker 50s with floats to make rooms for their RJ100s ? I am under the impression that at peak times it is now close to impossible to get additional flights into LCY, mainly because of the limited apron space. So they may be able to employ another one or two RJ100s, but five or six ? As long as the apron extension is not finished at LCY, I do not see how this can happen.
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Old 3rd Nov 2006, 11:01
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The Flybe press releases for each base makes interesting reading if you are in BRS then it doesnt look good as there seems to be no commitment to that base from Flybe.
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