Why dont LCC's operate long haul?
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Everyone seems to forgotten all about the Canadian Low cost Long Haul Airline Zoom with there B767's operating daily in and out of UK Airports
Operating Flights throughout the UK
Belfast to Toronto & Vancouver.
Cardiff to Toronto
Glasgow to Calgary, Toronto & Vancouver
London Gatwick to Halifax, Calgary, Montreal Trudeau, Toronto, Ottawa & Vancouver
London Stansted To Toronto
Manchester ToToronto,Vancouver & Calgary
Also now Fly Globespan are on the sence up at Glasgow this summer with ex Air Newzland Boeing 767's and Manchester from this winter.
Glasgow to Orlando Sanford
Manchester to Toronto & Cape Town
So in my eyes Long Haul Low cost dose work and has been proven by these two airlines so far while others are looking. E.g. Jet2
Operating Flights throughout the UK
Belfast to Toronto & Vancouver.
Cardiff to Toronto
Glasgow to Calgary, Toronto & Vancouver
London Gatwick to Halifax, Calgary, Montreal Trudeau, Toronto, Ottawa & Vancouver
London Stansted To Toronto
Manchester ToToronto,Vancouver & Calgary
Also now Fly Globespan are on the sence up at Glasgow this summer with ex Air Newzland Boeing 767's and Manchester from this winter.
Glasgow to Orlando Sanford
Manchester to Toronto & Cape Town
So in my eyes Long Haul Low cost dose work and has been proven by these two airlines so far while others are looking. E.g. Jet2
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ece3446
Just to be picky and specific ... No one gets from the USA in or out of LHR without a very considerable amount of government activity on both sides of the Pond!
LGW may be possible but the majors have, arguably, even greater power than when Freddie Laker (as then was) started up. In those days, the time delay between identifying a ticketing opportunity and getting the information out to the travel agents and then seeing how the bookings were going, was days and weeks. Now, their computer systems can do some of it automatically but even with manual price changes, the turn around could be from decision to seeing the tickets being bought, in well under four hours (if they so chose).
I point this out because the carrier's Yield Management systems know the history and can project the future so well - that they can change prices by the day and deal with almost any threat and circumstance. Secondly, the punter can use the internet to shop around in a way that required a diligent travel agent and one who was prepared to do the work in the hope that you would book through them.
For example. I need to get to Berlin for a wedding in August. LTN is closest but the EZY times do not fit, I could go Air Berlin from STN but that's more expensive and much further to drive. But BA @ LHR are closer and only three pounds more expensive than AB. I researched that market in ten minutes at 02:00 in the morning. That kind of shopping power will keep everyone on their toes and make it even harder for a long haul LCC. That does not mean that they do not exist or will not expand - but the 'bar' is very high.
Is EWR-LHR such a stretch?
LGW may be possible but the majors have, arguably, even greater power than when Freddie Laker (as then was) started up. In those days, the time delay between identifying a ticketing opportunity and getting the information out to the travel agents and then seeing how the bookings were going, was days and weeks. Now, their computer systems can do some of it automatically but even with manual price changes, the turn around could be from decision to seeing the tickets being bought, in well under four hours (if they so chose).
I point this out because the carrier's Yield Management systems know the history and can project the future so well - that they can change prices by the day and deal with almost any threat and circumstance. Secondly, the punter can use the internet to shop around in a way that required a diligent travel agent and one who was prepared to do the work in the hope that you would book through them.
For example. I need to get to Berlin for a wedding in August. LTN is closest but the EZY times do not fit, I could go Air Berlin from STN but that's more expensive and much further to drive. But BA @ LHR are closer and only three pounds more expensive than AB. I researched that market in ten minutes at 02:00 in the morning. That kind of shopping power will keep everyone on their toes and make it even harder for a long haul LCC. That does not mean that they do not exist or will not expand - but the 'bar' is very high.
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As if flying in this day and age was not miserable enough already, people actually want to promote LCC longhaul? Masochism. Unless you're really skint and absolutely must have to get to destination, I would have to seriously question why anyone would want this other than any alternative destination closer to home. Aviation really has scraped the bottom.
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Originally Posted by ece3446
Not sure if this has been discussed before but here goes. I've always wondered why the likes of southwest, ryannair, etc. do not operate long haul routes. Maybe I'm wrong but all I seem to notice on long haul are the legacy boys. Is the LCC businees model not adaptable to this part of the business?
Is there simply not enough money or will this be the next step in aviation??
Is there simply not enough money or will this be the next step in aviation??
I believe that the sticking point is the relative lack of an Open Skies policies outside large single markets (e.g. within the EU or USA). I was involved in trying to move an IT airline into scheduled service UK-Spain 20 years ago and we faced no end of regulatory problems and opposition from BA and Iberia. Let the airlines choose their routes without restriction and there would be a lo-co gold rush for Florida, New York, SFO, SYD etc. The equipment is still around and the demand would be there. Open Skies to the States has been a thorny issue since Long John Silver had an egg on his shoulder and will continue to be for as long as we are in economic competition.
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Crew would have to lay-over at the destination incurring hotel costs, transfers to hotel and back and allowances.
A short turn around is no good as plane would be home early and would have to hang around until outbound flight was ready. Could of course be used on a short high density route in the meantime.
Flyglobespan have started with a daily glasgow-sanford, checked on the website last week, one ways from £39+taxes.
A short turn around is no good as plane would be home early and would have to hang around until outbound flight was ready. Could of course be used on a short high density route in the meantime.
Flyglobespan have started with a daily glasgow-sanford, checked on the website last week, one ways from £39+taxes.
