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What would be the benefits for Peel? An extra service to AMS? I cannot see why they would buy the place for that. Would MAG realy sell to its competitor? Dont forget DSA competes with EMA and MAN too... As i say could the rumour be chinese whispers and Peel are actualy bidding for LGW?
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Don't forget Peel Airports bought Sheffield to remove competion to Finningley. If they are bidding for HUY, it'll be to close it down too. I hope not, there's too many good people at HUY who don't deserve the 'Peel treatment'.
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If its PEEL they will ignore the council and do what they like!
They could keep the helicopter operations and offer Eastern a hangar at Doncaster or DTVA.
I presume the fish flights could be moved to Doncaster.
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Tenerife axed for Summer 2009
Looking on My Travel, Thomas Cook, Thomson, ThomsonFly and Humberside Airport Travel websites I cannot find any summer HUY-TFS holidays or flights for next year. There were meant to be two - one on Tuesdays and one on Fridays.
Its got to the point were Im not surprised now, but loosing two flights to the same destination, and it being such a big destination as TFS is a big blow. Gran Canaria will be the only Canary Island served next summer
Its got to the point were Im not surprised now, but loosing two flights to the same destination, and it being such a big destination as TFS is a big blow. Gran Canaria will be the only Canary Island served next summer
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Thank John Prescott.
He was convinced we needed another airport down the road.
In the same way the moron needed 2 Jags.
He was convinced we needed another airport down the road.
In the same way the moron needed 2 Jags.
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It would actually be quite a sensible investment for Peel and there'd be no competition confliction as the same would apply to MAN owning EMA, which is on the HUY catchment area periphery).
They wouldn't have to pay more than a minmal sum as all they'd have to do was promise to take on and service the debt.
They would retain the likes of Eastern/Scotia/KLM and charter operators and probably not increase rents/service charges so long as what those clients didn't conflict with proftable op's at Donny. The flying clubs don't matter, whether they stay or go is of no commercial consequence.
Comparatively HUY doesn't cost a lot to run, Peel would have a close look at all areas and almost certainly be able to make economies in areas which are overstaffed for the services they provide i.e ATC (there are a similar no. of ATCOs at Liverpool and Durham TV - both of which operate a H24 radar service, and the fire service - similar no's at LIV and DTV) and also reduce the cost of running the terminal operations quite considerably.
Although times are tight, Peel could make an economic case for taking on HUY now on the same share ownership as presently exists with the council (81/19%), hang on to it for five years and then ditch it or continue to take a small profit each year.
They wouldn't have to pay more than a minmal sum as all they'd have to do was promise to take on and service the debt.
They would retain the likes of Eastern/Scotia/KLM and charter operators and probably not increase rents/service charges so long as what those clients didn't conflict with proftable op's at Donny. The flying clubs don't matter, whether they stay or go is of no commercial consequence.
Comparatively HUY doesn't cost a lot to run, Peel would have a close look at all areas and almost certainly be able to make economies in areas which are overstaffed for the services they provide i.e ATC (there are a similar no. of ATCOs at Liverpool and Durham TV - both of which operate a H24 radar service, and the fire service - similar no's at LIV and DTV) and also reduce the cost of running the terminal operations quite considerably.
Although times are tight, Peel could make an economic case for taking on HUY now on the same share ownership as presently exists with the council (81/19%), hang on to it for five years and then ditch it or continue to take a small profit each year.
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Putting it like that makes HUY attractive for any established airport operator with finance
With regards to competition though surely there is a case for there being ultra-local competition between HUY and DSA. We've seen DSA take a couple of HUY charters when it opened, and Peel told the BAA inquiry that they tried to get KLM but failed so there is clear evidence that DSA and HUY compete and that any meger would obviosuly eliminate such competition. The arguement of wider competition with LBA/MAN/EMA may be stronger but wouldn't there be a case for at least the Offive of Fair Trading to investigate?
With regards to competition though surely there is a case for there being ultra-local competition between HUY and DSA. We've seen DSA take a couple of HUY charters when it opened, and Peel told the BAA inquiry that they tried to get KLM but failed so there is clear evidence that DSA and HUY compete and that any meger would obviosuly eliminate such competition. The arguement of wider competition with LBA/MAN/EMA may be stronger but wouldn't there be a case for at least the Offive of Fair Trading to investigate?
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Surely Peel would look into closing HUY and moving the helicopter operation, KLM and Eastern over to DSA. Then it would consolidate operations there and strengthen it as the region's main airport rather than running two airports so close to one another.
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Cant see it happening, still dont even think bidders are in place to be honest.
DSA is less than ideal for helicopter operations as its more distance from the coast.
As far as i know there would be no further uses for the land. If Peel bought it theyd look at what makes the money, keep easterns main base and other associated companies and transfer the AMS over to DSA.
Will have to see if MAG would consider selling to them, i believe there would be a lot of political red tape localy, particularly as the Humber region is trying hard to regenerate at the moment. Such an asset would be damaging to lose.
DSA is less than ideal for helicopter operations as its more distance from the coast.
As far as i know there would be no further uses for the land. If Peel bought it theyd look at what makes the money, keep easterns main base and other associated companies and transfer the AMS over to DSA.
Will have to see if MAG would consider selling to them, i believe there would be a lot of political red tape localy, particularly as the Humber region is trying hard to regenerate at the moment. Such an asset would be damaging to lose.
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Surely Peel would look into closing HUY and moving the helicopter operation, KLM and Eastern over to DSA. Then it would consolidate operations there and strengthen it as the region's main airport rather than running two airports so close to one another.
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Why would AMS move to DSA of they would keep HUY open? Surely losing its main route would seal the nail in its coffin and cause it to cease being commercially viable as ABZ and the odd charter couldn't keep the airport going?
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I was suggesting they would move the conflicting services i.e charter and scheduled flights over to DSA.
Still i cant see it happening, i believe it is yet too early to find out the bidder as i dont think the whole bids will be in yet.
As an aside, DSA did try to attract KLM and they stayed put.... Must say something must it not?
Then why would it be commercially viable for them to buy HUY in the first place?
Im not ruling it out as at the moment anything is possible though with no further uses for the site would it be in the best interests of who are, fundamentaly a property tycoon, to buy the site to let it rot?
It does not have the potential (unless maybe an eco town) as SZD for redevelopment.
Still i cant see it happening, i believe it is yet too early to find out the bidder as i dont think the whole bids will be in yet.
As an aside, DSA did try to attract KLM and they stayed put.... Must say something must it not?
Surely losing its main route would seal the nail in its coffin and cause it to cease being commercially viable as ABZ and the odd charter couldn't keep the airport going?
Im not ruling it out as at the moment anything is possible though with no further uses for the site would it be in the best interests of who are, fundamentaly a property tycoon, to buy the site to let it rot?
It does not have the potential (unless maybe an eco town) as SZD for redevelopment.
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Still not convinced the region can sustain both HUY and DSA-already seems the latter is being 'asset stripped' of charter routes and surely couldn't survive on Eastern and KLM alone! Don't get me wrong-i like HUY alot and KLM are far more my cup of tea than TOM and DSA but just can't see Peel keeping both HUY and DSA running so close to one another!
On another note, where are Air Europa flying to next summer and on what days?
On another note, where are Air Europa flying to next summer and on what days?
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can't see Peel keeping both HUY and DSA running so close to one another!
If what i have been told is to believed then all expenses in staff etc is covered by the other revenue such as on site business. Hence the place still being in profit. I believe HUY could still rely on just KL and T3 (remember before the runway could handle IT flights?) The management have done a relatively good job of maximising potential on the whole site and this should continue.
Peel have bigger problems at the moment with DSA to be thinking about aquiring its competitor and all the associated trouble that would bring.
Im taking it with a pinch of salt until i hear more.
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A certain person who works on the airport site believes it would be more viable as an industrial estate 
Make of it what you will. I hope not.
Make of it what you will. I hope not.
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Pug,
perhaps it's just whimsical thinking on a certain person's behalf.
Anyone seriously wanting to develop an industrial estate in the area has a plethora of much cheaper choices nearer to the major towns and road junction.
perhaps it's just whimsical thinking on a certain person's behalf.
Anyone seriously wanting to develop an industrial estate in the area has a plethora of much cheaper choices nearer to the major towns and road junction.
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It will never happen, too much invested previously by the council for it to see its investment turned into yet another industrial estate and as Niknak has said there are much better alternatives in the area.
The current credit and share price uphevals will I think also slow down the sale of the airport, who at the moment is able to raise the capital, especially when HUY is potentially not a good investment compared to the sell off of airports like Gatwick.
Maybe your "certain person" should stick to what he knows best and join the rest of us in hoping that any prospective buyer has the very best intrests of the future of the airport.
Circseam
It will never happen, too much invested previously by the council for it to see its investment turned into yet another industrial estate and as Niknak has said there are much better alternatives in the area.
The current credit and share price uphevals will I think also slow down the sale of the airport, who at the moment is able to raise the capital, especially when HUY is potentially not a good investment compared to the sell off of airports like Gatwick.
Maybe your "certain person" should stick to what he knows best and join the rest of us in hoping that any prospective buyer has the very best intrests of the future of the airport.
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Quite probably true, said persons quite well known around the airport but is not involoved in the commercial side in any wa. They would probably find it funny to happen.
I would assume we may hear more next month, i reckon Peel and Branson will be going in for a consortium at LGW? Unless plans have changed since? So we may see some small operator interested.
I would assume we may hear more next month, i reckon Peel and Branson will be going in for a consortium at LGW? Unless plans have changed since? So we may see some small operator interested.