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Origional plans for Brough, pre chimney, were an extended runway to 7300ft (at the same time as Leeds) and a new major airport to be built in thorne (though this was not thought to be needed until at least the mid 80's)
At the time i believe the services were doing ok, brough was quite busy with movements, this can be confirmed in the old Yorkshire Aviation News magazines from the time....
www.55hr.karoo.net/images has some in pdf format
Notable is that the 'Hull(Brough)' service to the channel islands was autairs best performing route in june 1967!
Brough would have been a far better airport than HUY, close to the A63 and in an urban area, could have been a great alternative to LBA pre DSA!
I dont believe the flights were split as i am sure HUY didnt operate any airline operations until the 70's? Though i think the flights were moved to Leconfield for a short time until HUY opened. Why Leconfield wasnt developed i have no idea, the RAF allowed use by civillian companies by then (it had become a maintanence station)
At the time i believe the services were doing ok, brough was quite busy with movements, this can be confirmed in the old Yorkshire Aviation News magazines from the time....
www.55hr.karoo.net/images has some in pdf format
Notable is that the 'Hull(Brough)' service to the channel islands was autairs best performing route in june 1967!
Brough would have been a far better airport than HUY, close to the A63 and in an urban area, could have been a great alternative to LBA pre DSA!
I dont believe the flights were split as i am sure HUY didnt operate any airline operations until the 70's? Though i think the flights were moved to Leconfield for a short time until HUY opened. Why Leconfield wasnt developed i have no idea, the RAF allowed use by civillian companies by then (it had become a maintanence station)
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I have a 1970 time-table for the "Hull-London" flights, 4 times a day from Brough in an Islander!. Add another one to the London list - London Leavesden!! (Pity its closed).
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have a 1970 time-table for the "Hull-London" flights, 4 times a day from Brough in an Islander!. Add another one to the London list - London Leavesden!! (Pity its closed).
If you go on the airbritain photo site and search leconfield as a location it will bring a pic up of this service in 1971.
I believe a number of flights by air anglia were set up from Leconfield to LHR and Jersey later in the 70's? Though it is hard to find the timetables online...
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Just been reading the MAG 2006-07 annual report (financial year up 31st March 2007). HUY remains profitable with a 0.6 million profit, though down 14.3% on 2005/06. No doubt it will further decrease next year but it certainly supports HUY's current strategy, including not going after a LoCo which probably would be after a good package which could turn a profit into a loss (as nice as a LoCo would be)
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As has happened at NWI...
The airport has to be sure that the routes will be sustainable for future profits and they would need high pax levels to gain revenue from elsewhere.
I am in no doubt more services will be added in time, links to London are being sought after, but HUY just isnt suited for significant lowcost operations and wont be for the forseeable future....
Best thing to do, play to their strengths and grow the charter side, more winter flights etc...
The airport has to be sure that the routes will be sustainable for future profits and they would need high pax levels to gain revenue from elsewhere.
I am in no doubt more services will be added in time, links to London are being sought after, but HUY just isnt suited for significant lowcost operations and wont be for the forseeable future....
Best thing to do, play to their strengths and grow the charter side, more winter flights etc...
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A review of the current situation regarding this summers charter flights some of which I have already posted
First the reductions
Palma flights will reduce from 5 to 3 a week. Thomson have axed their Sunday flight (operated by ThomsonFly), while on Saturdays there will be just one instead of two flights. Wasn’t that long ago there was 7 flights a week to Palma
Thomson have axed their Ibiza flight (operated by Air Europa)
Airtours and Thomson have axed their Alicante flight (operated by MyTravel)
And the additions (which although on sale have not been officially announced)
Goldtrail will add an Antalya flight operated by Onur Air from July. This is addition to the existing Airtours/Thomas Cook flight operated by Sun Express
Scottravel will add a new Dalaman flight operated by Freebird. Both tour operator and airline are new to Humberside. This means we have 8 weekly Turkey flights next summer, with 5 to Dalaman
In total a net loss of 2 weekly flights
Also Goldtrail Holidays Bodrum and Dalaman flights will operated all season as opposed to starting in July as happened this year. And there is doubt if the Heraklion flight will operate past mid July. This flight had good average loads this past summer
In other news, Libra Holidays have left Humberside as part of a restructuring while Airtours and Thomas Cook are taking seats on each others flights that they didn’t previously share on
First the reductions
Palma flights will reduce from 5 to 3 a week. Thomson have axed their Sunday flight (operated by ThomsonFly), while on Saturdays there will be just one instead of two flights. Wasn’t that long ago there was 7 flights a week to Palma
Thomson have axed their Ibiza flight (operated by Air Europa)
Airtours and Thomson have axed their Alicante flight (operated by MyTravel)
And the additions (which although on sale have not been officially announced)
Goldtrail will add an Antalya flight operated by Onur Air from July. This is addition to the existing Airtours/Thomas Cook flight operated by Sun Express
Scottravel will add a new Dalaman flight operated by Freebird. Both tour operator and airline are new to Humberside. This means we have 8 weekly Turkey flights next summer, with 5 to Dalaman
In total a net loss of 2 weekly flights
Also Goldtrail Holidays Bodrum and Dalaman flights will operated all season as opposed to starting in July as happened this year. And there is doubt if the Heraklion flight will operate past mid July. This flight had good average loads this past summer
In other news, Libra Holidays have left Humberside as part of a restructuring while Airtours and Thomas Cook are taking seats on each others flights that they didn’t previously share on
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First comment on pprune Airline and Airports and Routes forum for 2008...
i think that boxing day should be normal flights, christmas eve is, people are traveling back home so for low cost airlines is profit to be had...
i think that boxing day should be normal flights, christmas eve is, people are traveling back home so for low cost airlines is profit to be had...
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Some further news
We have two Crete flights this year. Airtours/Thomas Cook will add a new Friday flight while Olympic will take the entire allocation of the existing Tuesday flight. Both flights will be operated by Eurocypria
The Wednesday XLA Larnaca flight is moved to Saturdays operated by Eurocypria. Tour operators are Airtours, First Choice, Libra and Thomas Cook
The Scottravel Dalaman flight appears to no longer be on sale
First Choice have downgraded Faro to a A320 from B757-200, while ThomsonFly have downgraded their remaining Palma flight from a B757 to B737-300. Big drop to Palma from 5 to 3 flights a week, plus this capacity reduction. First Chice will use a A321 instead of a Futura B737 on the Tuesday flight however
Still a net loss of 2 weekly flights and no B757’s expected to visit
We have two Crete flights this year. Airtours/Thomas Cook will add a new Friday flight while Olympic will take the entire allocation of the existing Tuesday flight. Both flights will be operated by Eurocypria
The Wednesday XLA Larnaca flight is moved to Saturdays operated by Eurocypria. Tour operators are Airtours, First Choice, Libra and Thomas Cook
The Scottravel Dalaman flight appears to no longer be on sale
First Choice have downgraded Faro to a A320 from B757-200, while ThomsonFly have downgraded their remaining Palma flight from a B757 to B737-300. Big drop to Palma from 5 to 3 flights a week, plus this capacity reduction. First Chice will use a A321 instead of a Futura B737 on the Tuesday flight however
Still a net loss of 2 weekly flights and no B757’s expected to visit
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A January performance update.
Passengers down 3.2%, largely due to no Gran Canaria and one less Tenerife
The core scheduled fligts are doing great, ABZ up 7% and AMS up 14%. Winter Sun doing fine too. ALC is down 19% due to a smaller aircraft, but an average of 185 passengers per flight on a B737-800 isnt bad. The routes operated by Thomas Cook have certainly filled the extra capacity they are offering. Lanzarote is up 29% with average 229 passengers per flight and Tenerife has an average of 231 passengers per flight
However the ski flights performance were nothing better than dire. New routes Innsbruck carried an average of 36 passengers per flight, while Plovdiv, shared with EDI, carried just 35 HUY passengers per flight
Passengers down 3.2%, largely due to no Gran Canaria and one less Tenerife
The core scheduled fligts are doing great, ABZ up 7% and AMS up 14%. Winter Sun doing fine too. ALC is down 19% due to a smaller aircraft, but an average of 185 passengers per flight on a B737-800 isnt bad. The routes operated by Thomas Cook have certainly filled the extra capacity they are offering. Lanzarote is up 29% with average 229 passengers per flight and Tenerife has an average of 231 passengers per flight
However the ski flights performance were nothing better than dire. New routes Innsbruck carried an average of 36 passengers per flight, while Plovdiv, shared with EDI, carried just 35 HUY passengers per flight
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February Figures/Hangar 9
February CAA figures
22540 passengers for the month, down 3.7% on last February
464212 passengers for the roling year, down 9.8%
Scheduled route performance:
Aberdeen, up again by 7% at 2751
Amsterdam, up by 6% at 10385
Ski charter performance:
Innsbruck - 485 - average 60 passengers per flight so big improvement on January (average 36) and not bad for a Fokker 70
Plovdiv - 352 - down 47% - average of 44 HUY passengers per flight
Winter Sun charter performance:
Alicante - 1454 - down 21% - average 181 passengers per flight so load factor wise no concerns (a B737-800 is used)
Lanzarote - 1833 - up 36% - average 229 passengers per flght. That B757 upgrade is doing well
Tenerife - 2317 - and despite going from twice to once weekly only 14% down - average off 231 passengers per flight
With the exception of Plovdiv, very good figures. The decreases are down to less capacity on winter sun charter. But we are filling what capacity we do have. Obviously dont know yields but plenty to be positive about here
In other news, Hangar 9, the aircraft maintenance facility has been taken over by Roissy International, a Bury St Edmunds based aircraft maintenance company.
The company is advertising for Fokker 100 engineers, with B737 and A320 experience also useful. So far the main sign of the new owners has been visits by two Eagle Aviation B757 aircraft currently operating for Saudi Arabian Airlines
22540 passengers for the month, down 3.7% on last February
464212 passengers for the roling year, down 9.8%
Scheduled route performance:
Aberdeen, up again by 7% at 2751
Amsterdam, up by 6% at 10385
Ski charter performance:
Innsbruck - 485 - average 60 passengers per flight so big improvement on January (average 36) and not bad for a Fokker 70
Plovdiv - 352 - down 47% - average of 44 HUY passengers per flight
Winter Sun charter performance:
Alicante - 1454 - down 21% - average 181 passengers per flight so load factor wise no concerns (a B737-800 is used)
Lanzarote - 1833 - up 36% - average 229 passengers per flght. That B757 upgrade is doing well
Tenerife - 2317 - and despite going from twice to once weekly only 14% down - average off 231 passengers per flight
With the exception of Plovdiv, very good figures. The decreases are down to less capacity on winter sun charter. But we are filling what capacity we do have. Obviously dont know yields but plenty to be positive about here
In other news, Hangar 9, the aircraft maintenance facility has been taken over by Roissy International, a Bury St Edmunds based aircraft maintenance company.
The company is advertising for Fokker 100 engineers, with B737 and A320 experience also useful. So far the main sign of the new owners has been visits by two Eagle Aviation B757 aircraft currently operating for Saudi Arabian Airlines
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Looks like some savage cuts from Thomson for Summer 2009. What's left is TFS, LPA, LCA (new for Thomson) and 2xPMI. No Faro, Menorca, Lanzarote or Fuerteventura. These were shared with Airtours/Thomas Cook so hopefully they will pick up the slack, though Im not so sure with Faro since it was FCA operated and AFAIK there are no based charter aircraft in Faro anymore
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Summer 2009 now on Airtours website. Playing about with the booking engine reveals a disaster for HUY. MAH, ACE and FAO are gone, along with Ibiza. They will keep FUE going but have axed Heraklion, Antalya, Tenerife and one of their two Dalaman flights during the Scottish School Holidays
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Been posted on another forum, current MD Rob Goldsmith is leaving his post for Bournemouth. Current position to be taken up by Tony Lavan? Any views?