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Canada out of BRS? I think the runway will get in the way again!
Zoom are doing fairly well at Cardiff with their 767, but they operate as low cost i.e high number of seats and high payloads. Too much weight for Brs.
An airline would have to be willing to put in an a/c with a lower no' of seats/lower payload but higher price per seat, and try to compete with Zoom's low cost market.
It sounds do'able when said quickly, but sit down and look at the technicalities that make it a tad un-justifiable. Would be nice though!!!
Zoom are doing fairly well at Cardiff with their 767, but they operate as low cost i.e high number of seats and high payloads. Too much weight for Brs.
An airline would have to be willing to put in an a/c with a lower no' of seats/lower payload but higher price per seat, and try to compete with Zoom's low cost market.
It sounds do'able when said quickly, but sit down and look at the technicalities that make it a tad un-justifiable. Would be nice though!!!
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FCA Long haul from Bristol, or at least Orlando, will be via Manchester most of the time. It will go direct a couple of times apparently but mostly via Manchester. So, false advertising! Since FCA are advertising direct.
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If they were advertising 'non stop' then that would be a different issue....
Direct does not equal Non Stop.
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When you book FCA longhaul ex BRS, it advises you on both travel agent and internet systems that the flights operate via MAN for fuel stop outbound only, also if pax read their details in the backs of the brochures (which is your contract with your tour operator) it also says there. A flight under aviation regulations(as far as i know) is direct as long as pax don't disembark (pax do not disembark in MAN), however all the advertising I've seen has not mentioned direct or in-direct, if it says direct then yes slightly misleading as airvanman says, but I know what i prefer, 1hr stop in MAN flying from BRS 20mins from my home address or 3 hour drive to LGW, plus fuel costs plus parking/hotel costs, hassle of getting around the crap hole that is LGW and the mile walk to FCA's long haul gates at LGW, then 3 hour drive home after an overnight trans-atlantic flight with a nice bout of Jet Lag and a restless night behind you and indegestion from the sorry excuse that airlines like to call a breakfast, you got to be nuts to want to go from LGW if you live in this area, especially as the IB to BRS sectors are non stop. For the sake of an hour spent in MAN going out!!! C'mon you dont have to be a genious to work out the better option.
Also do you think a company like FCA would get caught up in the 'False advertising' trap, hmmm me thinks not, they're not Ryanair!
Also think you'll find that most Thomsonfly long haul from CWL routes via MAN too(spoke to a crew member yesterday who said the POP flights usually do), so does that mean they're false advertising, what bout flights such as YYZ from EXT, these are not direct either yet the advertising doesn't state direct or in-direct, it just says 'fly to TORONTO from Exeter International'.
Also just adding something re Flybe pulling out, i dont think anyone has mentioned on here about how busy BHX is for them, everyone has said about EXT, but lets not forget BHX really is not that much further, nor is SOU really, so perhaps its good business sense really, why fight a losing battle against EZY when you have 3 airports all about the same distance from BRS where they don't have to fight for custom, will be a shame to see the BOD go though, i know loads of people that use that route, ah well.
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Also do you think a company like FCA would get caught up in the 'False advertising' trap, hmmm me thinks not, they're not Ryanair!
Also think you'll find that most Thomsonfly long haul from CWL routes via MAN too(spoke to a crew member yesterday who said the POP flights usually do), so does that mean they're false advertising, what bout flights such as YYZ from EXT, these are not direct either yet the advertising doesn't state direct or in-direct, it just says 'fly to TORONTO from Exeter International'.
Also just adding something re Flybe pulling out, i dont think anyone has mentioned on here about how busy BHX is for them, everyone has said about EXT, but lets not forget BHX really is not that much further, nor is SOU really, so perhaps its good business sense really, why fight a losing battle against EZY when you have 3 airports all about the same distance from BRS where they don't have to fight for custom, will be a shame to see the BOD go though, i know loads of people that use that route, ah well.
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I love your rants W. They are becoming a must-read in this thread.
I think that once Flybe realised that EXT was a viable base for a host of routes the BRS flights were always on borrowed time, mainly for the reasons you have outlined.
The only lost destinations will be Bergerac and Bordeaux (and Belfast City but easy have the Northern Irish capital sewn up with their BFS operation).
I agree that BOD will be a pity, especially with Bordeaux's historical Bristol connections.
La Rochelle (assuming easy bring it back next summer) and TLS are probably a bit too far to attract that many would-be BOD travellers so I wonder if easy will look at BOD themselves; conversely they might think that La Rochelle is too close to Bordeaux for two routes from that area of France to BRS.
Or they might simply switch the La Rochelle to Bordeaux next summer. They know there is a market and when easy came alongside on Flybe's relatively well-established TLS route they immediately upped the monthly pax figures from the 3-4,000 that Flybe carried to a joint total of over 11,000.
Some people say the aerospace connection is a particular ingredient of BRS-TLS but were the extra 7,000 pax mostly aerospace people? If so, how had they been getting to TLS before? Furthermore, there is a daily Mon-Fri service from Filton to Toulouse for those associated with Bae.
I think that once Flybe realised that EXT was a viable base for a host of routes the BRS flights were always on borrowed time, mainly for the reasons you have outlined.
The only lost destinations will be Bergerac and Bordeaux (and Belfast City but easy have the Northern Irish capital sewn up with their BFS operation).
I agree that BOD will be a pity, especially with Bordeaux's historical Bristol connections.
La Rochelle (assuming easy bring it back next summer) and TLS are probably a bit too far to attract that many would-be BOD travellers so I wonder if easy will look at BOD themselves; conversely they might think that La Rochelle is too close to Bordeaux for two routes from that area of France to BRS.
Or they might simply switch the La Rochelle to Bordeaux next summer. They know there is a market and when easy came alongside on Flybe's relatively well-established TLS route they immediately upped the monthly pax figures from the 3-4,000 that Flybe carried to a joint total of over 11,000.
Some people say the aerospace connection is a particular ingredient of BRS-TLS but were the extra 7,000 pax mostly aerospace people? If so, how had they been getting to TLS before? Furthermore, there is a daily Mon-Fri service from Filton to Toulouse for those associated with Bae.
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i remember in mid nineties we flew to Orlando-SFB from BRS and we made a tech stop at Bangor-Maine, this was on a Britannia 767-200 when thomsons ran a summer series,so surely toronto would not be that much further out of the way,especially if the a/c was configured for less seating and more leg room as FCA have initiated and other airlines seem to be looking down that avenue
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Middle East? LBA?
What is the latest gossip/news on Emirates, or any other Middle Eastern operator going from BRS?
This would open up a lot of destinations.
Or... Who’s up for starting Lulsgate Bottom Airways? An old 767 should do it.
Based on no market research just the ‘for gods sake punters will flock for ‘em’ theory! The destinations for starters are:
Toronto
Sydney (via some rich sandpit)
Bangkok (via another rich sandpit)
Must be a winner. Flywho nah! Flyarse yes!
This would open up a lot of destinations.
Or... Who’s up for starting Lulsgate Bottom Airways? An old 767 should do it.
Based on no market research just the ‘for gods sake punters will flock for ‘em’ theory! The destinations for starters are:
Toronto
Sydney (via some rich sandpit)
Bangkok (via another rich sandpit)
Must be a winner. Flywho nah! Flyarse yes!
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Thanks MV! Thats what you get when your company makes you get up for work at stupid o'clock in the morning ha ha, i tired rant at what ever just to make me feel better about getting up for work at 2am!!! Ba
s! LOL, love em really huh hum!
Airvanman - Going back a year or so my prune partner in crime 'Windsheer' came up with the idea of starting 'Chav Express' that was a comedy thread, you'd of loved that one
No haven't heard a squeek from anyone bout a DXB route, it could probably be done on a 757 as it's approx same distance as EWR, however EK don't operate 757's infact most operators to DXB from UK apart from poss BA don't. And 777/767/330/340 would be to heavy to do direct and theres no point operating an A/C half full, Hopefully it wont be long until DXB opens it's doors to the charter market, may give BRS a few more options for DXB, I fancy FCA B787 in 2010 myself. I can't see BA doing it, however stranger things have happened in BRS, you never know!
s! LOL, love em really huh hum!Airvanman - Going back a year or so my prune partner in crime 'Windsheer' came up with the idea of starting 'Chav Express' that was a comedy thread, you'd of loved that one
No haven't heard a squeek from anyone bout a DXB route, it could probably be done on a 757 as it's approx same distance as EWR, however EK don't operate 757's infact most operators to DXB from UK apart from poss BA don't. And 777/767/330/340 would be to heavy to do direct and theres no point operating an A/C half full, Hopefully it wont be long until DXB opens it's doors to the charter market, may give BRS a few more options for DXB, I fancy FCA B787 in 2010 myself. I can't see BA doing it, however stranger things have happened in BRS, you never know!
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Mutter, mutter........longer runway my arse! Thomson, bah, useless tw*ts!
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Haha poor old Noisy!
Yeah, Bristol will beat Cardiff anytime; runway length aside. Notice the difference in movements? Wonder where the airlines prefer to fly from...cough.
Yeah, Bristol will beat Cardiff anytime; runway length aside. Notice the difference in movements? Wonder where the airlines prefer to fly from...cough.
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So in the grand scheme of things, a longer runway means b*gger all if the airlines cock it up. Still, does beg the question how the same company can get a 767-200 off Bristol to the Carribean with such a puny runway?
Wellington we arrived in Orlando Thurs evening and got the bags on Sat morning (Thank You Monarch for rescuing us from Thomson's cock up!)
Two days in the same undercrackers, I had to soak them before they peeled off!! Still, when they land on the desk of Thomsons MD (actually, he'll prolly smell them before they arrive), he'll know not to fanny around with my hard earned leave time again! SN is not accustomed to going overseas for the very reason that no matter how well a trip is planned, you have to put yourself in the hands of lackwit bumpkins at some point, and that is when your planning tends to unravel. Mrs N has been told not to expect foreign travel until I have calmed down, 2009 is my current target although that depends on Thomson's response to my forthcoming letter. Cornwall looks good for the next few years!
1987 - never mind the movements, Cardiff's terminal (and isn't that just the right word for the dump) reminds me of Luton back in the 80's. To be avoided at all costs!
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its not about what the terminal looks like, its what the inbound market wants, what the businesspeople need and where the critical mass market is. Cardiff will beat BRS hands-down when it comes to the long-haul inbound market. Americans don't know Bristol, but they know Cardiff and Wales. Business people will be sent where business contracts send them.
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loveJet - as most of this lot would have you believe, it's about runway size. And Cardiff's terminal is still a sh!thole, even worse for an arriving pax (plywood floors, ceiling tiles caving in cos the roof leaks, or is that leeks?) It looked like a hurricane had hit it, still, we live in hope.
It's such a 'critical mass market' in Taffy land that they're managing to push 2M pax per annum, whoa, steady on, big market there.
It's such a 'critical mass market' in Taffy land that they're managing to push 2M pax per annum, whoa, steady on, big market there.
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I use BRS a lot. It's my local airport and I am very fond of it, but it ain't perfect.
There was an article in the Bristol Evening Post a week or two ago about an Excel flight from BRS to one of the Greek destinations that had to leave numerous bags behind.
I like CWL as well as it provides some routes that BRS doesn't. I know the terminal needs a bit of attention but I've seen a lot worse and there was a time when it was better than BRS's.
I hope this doesn't go down the path of BRS v CWL. We've seen all that before and it invariably deteriorates into a Bristol City v Cardiff City football-type slagging match, but without the 'fan' violence, thankfully.
As a customer I regard the airports as very useful complements and I increasingly regard EXT in this bracket too as a Bristol resident.
I am surprised at loveJet's comments about the relative merits of Bristol and Cardiff for inbound American travellers.
I concede that many Americans are extremely insular and probably most have only heard of London and the likes of Edinburgh, Oxford, Cambridge, Stratford and Bath.
Indeed, at the time of the Manchester bomb in the1990s I was in the USA and one of the major news networks headlined their story as 'London Bombing' before explaining in the report that the bomb had actually detonated in the northern city of Manchester, about two hundred miles from London.
I would be surprised if CWL were to beat BRS 'hands down'. Bristol is a larger business centre; it has the highest GDP per capita of the eight English core cities with a lot of foreign business links; it is always in the top ten UK (not just English) destinations for overseas visitors (the last figures made it number seven as far as I recall); it attracts over 9 million visitors annually; Bristol is an ancient city with a lot of American connections; Bath (an American tourist Mecca) is almost as close to BRS as Bristol and BRS is at present the only airport serving the huge tourist region of South West England from the USA.
Now Cardiff and Wales certainly have a lot going for them of course, but whether CWL would really attract more Americans than BRS seems able to do is a moot point. Perhaps we shall soon know if the much-rumoured US scheduled CWL service commences.
There was an article in the Bristol Evening Post a week or two ago about an Excel flight from BRS to one of the Greek destinations that had to leave numerous bags behind.
I like CWL as well as it provides some routes that BRS doesn't. I know the terminal needs a bit of attention but I've seen a lot worse and there was a time when it was better than BRS's.
I hope this doesn't go down the path of BRS v CWL. We've seen all that before and it invariably deteriorates into a Bristol City v Cardiff City football-type slagging match, but without the 'fan' violence, thankfully.
As a customer I regard the airports as very useful complements and I increasingly regard EXT in this bracket too as a Bristol resident.
I am surprised at loveJet's comments about the relative merits of Bristol and Cardiff for inbound American travellers.
I concede that many Americans are extremely insular and probably most have only heard of London and the likes of Edinburgh, Oxford, Cambridge, Stratford and Bath.
Indeed, at the time of the Manchester bomb in the1990s I was in the USA and one of the major news networks headlined their story as 'London Bombing' before explaining in the report that the bomb had actually detonated in the northern city of Manchester, about two hundred miles from London.
I would be surprised if CWL were to beat BRS 'hands down'. Bristol is a larger business centre; it has the highest GDP per capita of the eight English core cities with a lot of foreign business links; it is always in the top ten UK (not just English) destinations for overseas visitors (the last figures made it number seven as far as I recall); it attracts over 9 million visitors annually; Bristol is an ancient city with a lot of American connections; Bath (an American tourist Mecca) is almost as close to BRS as Bristol and BRS is at present the only airport serving the huge tourist region of South West England from the USA.
Now Cardiff and Wales certainly have a lot going for them of course, but whether CWL would really attract more Americans than BRS seems able to do is a moot point. Perhaps we shall soon know if the much-rumoured US scheduled CWL service commences.
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its not about what the terminal looks like, its what the inbound market wants, what the businesspeople need and where the critical mass market is. Cardiff will beat BRS hands-down when it comes to the long-haul inbound market. Americans don't know Bristol, but they know Cardiff and Wales. Business people will be sent where business contracts send them.