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Sorry to harp on guys but the traffic rights still remain the biggest hurdle. They are pining their business plan on gaining rights to Pakistan with a tech stop in Sharjah. The rights to Pakistan I would say are almost impossible to get without some very high up influence (which the owners may have). I predict that they will do some pilgrim flights around Ramadan, which starts mid Sept and runs to mid Oct and that they will then run out of ideas. The impression I get is that the homework hasn't been done but lets wait and see, they must be burning a lot of someones cash at the moment.
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Thats interesting that you say they are burning up someone elses cash. the questions is who's? I maybe a million miles away from the truth here but;
1. Flyjet were taken over shortly before UKIA became a reality. Whereby the Directors who started FJ were not taken on by SJ (albeit same chairman of both companies and all!)
2. Flyjet used to do plenty of flights to that neck of the woods a few years ago, and earnt decent money from those flights.
3. Whoever set up FJ could have learnt their lessons as to high costs at LGW and decided better to move elsewhere. (Gees we hope they did learn many more lessons!)
4. 767s instead of 757s (we all know that getting 757s is like rocking horse s*** at the moment.....well at least until the charter airlines in England finish with them)
But am I clutching at straws here. I do not know the people running UKIA but I do see a few things similar. Anyone else thinking the same?
1. Flyjet were taken over shortly before UKIA became a reality. Whereby the Directors who started FJ were not taken on by SJ (albeit same chairman of both companies and all!)
2. Flyjet used to do plenty of flights to that neck of the woods a few years ago, and earnt decent money from those flights.
3. Whoever set up FJ could have learnt their lessons as to high costs at LGW and decided better to move elsewhere. (Gees we hope they did learn many more lessons!)
4. 767s instead of 757s (we all know that getting 757s is like rocking horse s*** at the moment.....well at least until the charter airlines in England finish with them)
But am I clutching at straws here. I do not know the people running UKIA but I do see a few things similar. Anyone else thinking the same?
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Hi Guys,
Saw the UKIA 767 sitting on the tarmac today. Engineers were working on it. Spoke to someone who works on Passenger Services who said she received an email today saying the aircraft is doing a crew training flight tomorrow, departing at 11.30, going to Liverpool and returning back same day. I asked the engineer if it was flying tomorrow and he laughed and said "Not a chance" but then followed it with "well maybe for crew training".
Airport staff seem to think it is finally getting started now and say lots happening now. They seemed quite positive. They did however, comment that apparently although the aircraft has a liscense, the owner hasn't??? Don't know much about that though!
Who knows, but fingers crossed it happens this time!!!
xx
Saw the UKIA 767 sitting on the tarmac today. Engineers were working on it. Spoke to someone who works on Passenger Services who said she received an email today saying the aircraft is doing a crew training flight tomorrow, departing at 11.30, going to Liverpool and returning back same day. I asked the engineer if it was flying tomorrow and he laughed and said "Not a chance" but then followed it with "well maybe for crew training".
Airport staff seem to think it is finally getting started now and say lots happening now. They seemed quite positive. They did however, comment that apparently although the aircraft has a liscense, the owner hasn't??? Don't know much about that though!
Who knows, but fingers crossed it happens this time!!!
xx
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Got airborne again today (Thursday) going to SNN and back for a few hours, left about midday. Can anyone give a reliable estimate as to when they will start selling tickets or start commercial services?
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Crusher,,,,,due to ac type freight is going to be very marginal on routes that are planned...the aircraft also has no cargo door...so no 96 or 88inch pallets.. ates to Pakistan for freight at the moment are so low that carrying the cargo barely covers the cost of the handling and fuel ...
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UKIA now had their CAA flight, Went to SNN and back with approx 40 people not sure who they were, i'm sure they wern't all CAA people! Landed at 1730 then got towed back to usual parking place a few hours later. Anybody know how the flight went or any news on the licencing?
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In addition to the tech problems it will also have to run the gauntlet of extra security charges in Pakistan. If the additional security is not right the DFT will be only to eager to stop the operation. I am suprised the aircraft has not been put onto a more flexible registration and operated from another country with easier rules.
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I am told that the AOC is likely to be issued this coming Friday!!! 
To be followed by a number of weeks where they'll be available for ad-hoc work and launch to SHJ initially in the autumn.
A
To be followed by a number of weeks where they'll be available for ad-hoc work and launch to SHJ initially in the autumn.A
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I'm keeping my ears open for new developments, as stated in a previous post the 762 was towed onto stand ahead of a crew training flight (i believe) over to Shannon. I'm told this was its last training flight before service commences but not 100% certain.
I work for Servisair myself at EMA and managed to take a few shots while waiting for my inbound Ryanair
Will keep posted on anything new
I work for Servisair myself at EMA and managed to take a few shots while waiting for my inbound Ryanair
Will keep posted on anything new
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"Alot of noticable faces will be working their"
FJE1 will these noticable faces be the flight deck/cabin crews, management or the ops/crewing people. If its the management - well, best stay clear then IMHO!!
BF
ps "A lot" is two separate words and "there" not "their" in the context of your sentence.
FJE1 will these noticable faces be the flight deck/cabin crews, management or the ops/crewing people. If its the management - well, best stay clear then IMHO!!
BF
ps "A lot" is two separate words and "there" not "their" in the context of your sentence.
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Interestingly enough, the top 2 on a Google search of 'UKIA' are UK Irrigation Association and United Kingdom Intersex Asscociation - one of which I could imagine being welcome in Pakistan and the other somewhat less so!
As for the colour scheme - surely no worse than Wizzair?
My main worries would be an aircraft that is probably going to be 25 years old by the time services commence and A/C and C/C who are being left hanging until things start to move. Can the UK really support another company operating flights into the the country from Pakistan? Surely the PIA services already offer enough capacity?
As for the colour scheme - surely no worse than Wizzair?
My main worries would be an aircraft that is probably going to be 25 years old by the time services commence and A/C and C/C who are being left hanging until things start to move. Can the UK really support another company operating flights into the the country from Pakistan? Surely the PIA services already offer enough capacity?
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Hi,
I'm new to PPRuNe and came across this thread which I though is quite interesting.
I personally think that without the AOC UKIA are nothing!
EastMids said above that "the AOC is likely to be issued this coming Friday (24 Aug 2007)"
Can anyone confirm that they have received it yet?
From what Brian Fantana and other people have said I got the impression that the Flyjet people/management, who are now with UKIA, are somehow the wrong people. Can someone please clarify to me what is meant by "If its the management - well, best stay clear then IMHO!!"
I would presume that there is/was something wrong with previous Flyjet management which resulted in them selling their company (Flyjet) to Silverjet.
I'm new to PPRuNe and came across this thread which I though is quite interesting.
I personally think that without the AOC UKIA are nothing!
EastMids said above that "the AOC is likely to be issued this coming Friday (24 Aug 2007)"
Can anyone confirm that they have received it yet?
From what Brian Fantana and other people have said I got the impression that the Flyjet people/management, who are now with UKIA, are somehow the wrong people. Can someone please clarify to me what is meant by "If its the management - well, best stay clear then IMHO!!"
I would presume that there is/was something wrong with previous Flyjet management which resulted in them selling their company (Flyjet) to Silverjet.
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BDAviator. Not wanting to hijack an UKIA thread I suggest you read the FJE pages. But as you asked.
FJE had 2 aircraft on very very cheap lease rates but they still could not make money, so much so that when FJE got their bag of nails 767 (which Silverjet are now finding out to their cost) the CAA would not allow it to fly as FJE would not be able to cover their ABTA bonds - Allegedly.
Flyjet would have been and could have been an excellent company, that was due to the hard working crews, pilots and cabin crew who all pulled together to get the job done.
The mangement screwed it up.
A real shame.
BF
FJE had 2 aircraft on very very cheap lease rates but they still could not make money, so much so that when FJE got their bag of nails 767 (which Silverjet are now finding out to their cost) the CAA would not allow it to fly as FJE would not be able to cover their ABTA bonds - Allegedly.
Flyjet would have been and could have been an excellent company, that was due to the hard working crews, pilots and cabin crew who all pulled together to get the job done.
The mangement screwed it up.
A real shame.
BF
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mmmmmmm...... looks to me that this may be the case for UKIA then!
I hope it doesn't.
If you don't mind can you please give me the links to Flyjet threads, I can't find it.
Thanks.
I hope it doesn't.
If you don't mind can you please give me the links to Flyjet threads, I can't find it.
Thanks.
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Have i had too much to drink, or does UKIA's logo on the pictures above, look like a pax adopting the brace position on an old safety card?
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