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Summer for tfly
MAN will be having a 737 - 800 based there for the summer possibly g-cdzm but not confirmed yet, several bases will be at the receiving end of w patterns run out of dsa boh, and possibly cvt, possibly run on 737 - 300's (low cost one way, charter the other) but most likely charter both ways on 737 - 800's.
the 737-500's are still trying to be bought out of the lease but it's still unconfirmed whether they wil be replaced by more air worthy 737-500's from the leasing company or whether the whole of the 737 fleet will be 300's and 800's.
unless sales go through the roof 757's and 767's will not be operating low cost routes, the 767 -200 is still being fazed out in preference to the 767 - 300 and these will start to go on permanent lease from 2011 when tfly should be taking it's first delivery of it's 787's.
all flight numbers will be changing to a tom prefix from may 1st and you should be able to tell what aircraft type/flight type you are on from the first digit. again this hasn't been finalised.
dsa at the moment is tfly's new baby and main focus, sales are through the roof and dsa should be operating 4 737-300's, 2 737 - 800's and a 767 - 300 (sharing with CWL) from early may. company focus is on making this a major based within the next few years and finally closing it's lba base and moving the single 757 it has based there to dsa.
dsa has been operating the first of it's mixed fleet flying on the 737 - 300 using a w pattern on a tuesday back into nwi (low cost dsa-alc, charter alc - nwi, then charter nwi - alc and low cost alc - dsa) passenger reactions have not been favourable because of the state of the aircraft, lack of entertainment etc etc. whether tfly will take heed of this and only use the 737 - 800 on it's mixed flying charter routes no one knows.
hope this helps
the 737-500's are still trying to be bought out of the lease but it's still unconfirmed whether they wil be replaced by more air worthy 737-500's from the leasing company or whether the whole of the 737 fleet will be 300's and 800's.
unless sales go through the roof 757's and 767's will not be operating low cost routes, the 767 -200 is still being fazed out in preference to the 767 - 300 and these will start to go on permanent lease from 2011 when tfly should be taking it's first delivery of it's 787's.
all flight numbers will be changing to a tom prefix from may 1st and you should be able to tell what aircraft type/flight type you are on from the first digit. again this hasn't been finalised.
dsa at the moment is tfly's new baby and main focus, sales are through the roof and dsa should be operating 4 737-300's, 2 737 - 800's and a 767 - 300 (sharing with CWL) from early may. company focus is on making this a major based within the next few years and finally closing it's lba base and moving the single 757 it has based there to dsa.
dsa has been operating the first of it's mixed fleet flying on the 737 - 300 using a w pattern on a tuesday back into nwi (low cost dsa-alc, charter alc - nwi, then charter nwi - alc and low cost alc - dsa) passenger reactions have not been favourable because of the state of the aircraft, lack of entertainment etc etc. whether tfly will take heed of this and only use the 737 - 800 on it's mixed flying charter routes no one knows.
hope this helps
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I know this is a rumour network.................but can you confirm if what you've said about DSA/LBA is rumour or fact?
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dsa at the moment is tfly's new baby and main focus, sales are through the roof and dsa should be operating 4 737-300's, 2 737 - 800's and a 767 - 300 (sharing with CWL) from early may. company focus is on making this a major based within the next few years and finally closing it's lba base and moving the single 757 it has based there to dsa.
As LBA based crew I would be interested to know
I know this is a rumour network.................but can you confirm if what you've said about DSA/LBA is rumour or fact?
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dsa at the moment is tfly's new baby and main focus, sales are through the roof and dsa should be operating 4 737-300's, 2 737 - 800's and a 767 - 300 (sharing with CWL) from early may. company focus is on making this a major based within the next few years and finally closing it's lba base and moving the single 757 it has based there to dsa.
As LBA based crew I would be interested to know
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While we are on the subject of Thomsonfly flights at Manchester, I would be very greatful if someone can tell me what aircraft Thomsonfly operate on their Malaga-Manchester route on Sunday March 5th, as I am travelling on this flight. The flight arrives back at Manchester at 1515 and the flight number is BY385B.
Many thanks in advance for any replies, cheers.
Many thanks in advance for any replies, cheers.
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Hi
Wish I was as lucky as you firstforfirstchoice getting a 767-200.Instead Im on a dull common 737 again on my flights,TOM6291.Not sure about my inbound though TOM 1897?Can anybody confirm this is a 737?
Regards
Michael
Wish I was as lucky as you firstforfirstchoice getting a 767-200.Instead Im on a dull common 737 again on my flights,TOM6291.Not sure about my inbound though TOM 1897?Can anybody confirm this is a 737?
Regards
Michael
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I know, nice to have a bit of good luck, I was hoping for a B757, but a B767-200 is fine by me, never really thought they would operate a B767 to Malaga at this time of the year.So glad it is not a B737!! 
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Originally Posted by shlittlenellie
Very authoritative stuff, although more than a fair dollop of tosh.
DSA will only have 4 737s in the summer and that includes an -800. There is no expansion of the scheduled side, in fact it will be reduced compared to year 1.
DSA sales through the roof: erm not quite.
787's confirmed for 2011: no.
Rumours yes, facts or close to the truth - no.
DSA will only have 4 737s in the summer and that includes an -800. There is no expansion of the scheduled side, in fact it will be reduced compared to year 1.
DSA sales through the roof: erm not quite.
787's confirmed for 2011: no.
Rumours yes, facts or close to the truth - no.
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Interesting. The difficulty is that almost none of your information is in the public domain, or even known by Staff. This means that you are either somebody fairly high up in the Tfly management chain (i.e. at strategy level), or that you know somebody who is, or that you have heard some rumours, combined them with a little bit of knowledge and have a manner of writing that implies a higher degree of insight than you actually have.
As it stands at the moment, there are no orders for 787 - End of story. If there are orders, then they are a well kept secret. Given the desire to integrate the fleet with HLX and all the other TUI Euro sister carriers, the decision as to the future fleet is complex, and not yet made. The 787 has not been designed as an exclusively longhaul aircraft, and if purchased, the sums would need to add up for shorthaul operations as well (as with 767's in the past). You may believe (as I do) that the 787 is the most likely candidate, but you cannot know this for sure unless you are on the TAM board.
Speculation about US airlines folding or being protected (Chapter 11) and 787 delivery slots being taken up - is pure speculation.
An Engineering move to DSA? Speculation. LAE's don't grow on trees, and there's a chance that one or two of them may find the LTN-DSA commute a bit tedious on a daily basis.
Moving the CC Training facility to DSA? Speculation. It is possible, and also possible that a satellite training facility (to EMA) could be located there - I have no idea, but more importantly, neither do you.
DSA sales? I don't know for sure, since this information is actually held by Thomson - Tfly staff don't know, so how come you do?
If he/she doesn't mind, I'll remind us all of the most IMHO eloquent and accurate phrase used so far in this thread:
As it stands at the moment, there are no orders for 787 - End of story. If there are orders, then they are a well kept secret. Given the desire to integrate the fleet with HLX and all the other TUI Euro sister carriers, the decision as to the future fleet is complex, and not yet made. The 787 has not been designed as an exclusively longhaul aircraft, and if purchased, the sums would need to add up for shorthaul operations as well (as with 767's in the past). You may believe (as I do) that the 787 is the most likely candidate, but you cannot know this for sure unless you are on the TAM board.
Speculation about US airlines folding or being protected (Chapter 11) and 787 delivery slots being taken up - is pure speculation.
An Engineering move to DSA? Speculation. LAE's don't grow on trees, and there's a chance that one or two of them may find the LTN-DSA commute a bit tedious on a daily basis.
Moving the CC Training facility to DSA? Speculation. It is possible, and also possible that a satellite training facility (to EMA) could be located there - I have no idea, but more importantly, neither do you.
DSA sales? I don't know for sure, since this information is actually held by Thomson - Tfly staff don't know, so how come you do?
If he/she doesn't mind, I'll remind us all of the most IMHO eloquent and accurate phrase used so far in this thread:
Originally Posted by shlittlenellie
Very authoritative stuff, although more than a fair dollop of tosh.
...
Rumours yes, facts or close to the truth - no.
Very authoritative stuff, although more than a fair dollop of tosh.
...
Rumours yes, facts or close to the truth - no.
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i know what i know and for clarification some of this is undecided, some is discussion and some is a product of knowledge cumulation.
the 787 is being discussed but is highly likely as the new longhaul aircraft for tfly due to it's options and efficiency, it is likely to fit into the fleet best, the sister companies have been under discussion for a long period in tui's amalgamation in a/c leasing etc. Aircraft fleeting accross companies is the direction that tui want. eg corsairfly's 747's are currently operating at 80% loads and would be better on the haj with 767's that tfly have on lease operating their flights. A true mixed model accross tui is well under dilligence. the 787 order will only be made once the market is more secure. united is under what we would call administration and is highly likely to fold under market forces and this has been expected (one of the american carriers) to happen for a while and untaken options could be many and extremely cheap because of boeing and airbus operating procedures.
klm engineers have been running much of the 737 engineering and have all been offered postions in house, and are currently thrashing something out which is mutually beneficial. this is likely to be based at dsa due to other plans, available space and possible planned fleet expansion.
a satelite facility at dsa is not planned but is at higher stages of discussion, space is being offered at a superb price both airside and within grounds, ema is shorter lease and higher price, dsa would be a long term descision which has not yet been made but is extremely viable for 737 fleet at least due to fleet differnces and development in the future
dsa sales are exceeding predictions as charter flights have been increased and low cost reduced but sales are performing well. long haul charter is surpassing best predictions excluding cun which is on par.
dsa is at present central operational focus for the future for a base which could be huge.
the 787 is being discussed but is highly likely as the new longhaul aircraft for tfly due to it's options and efficiency, it is likely to fit into the fleet best, the sister companies have been under discussion for a long period in tui's amalgamation in a/c leasing etc. Aircraft fleeting accross companies is the direction that tui want. eg corsairfly's 747's are currently operating at 80% loads and would be better on the haj with 767's that tfly have on lease operating their flights. A true mixed model accross tui is well under dilligence. the 787 order will only be made once the market is more secure. united is under what we would call administration and is highly likely to fold under market forces and this has been expected (one of the american carriers) to happen for a while and untaken options could be many and extremely cheap because of boeing and airbus operating procedures.
klm engineers have been running much of the 737 engineering and have all been offered postions in house, and are currently thrashing something out which is mutually beneficial. this is likely to be based at dsa due to other plans, available space and possible planned fleet expansion.
a satelite facility at dsa is not planned but is at higher stages of discussion, space is being offered at a superb price both airside and within grounds, ema is shorter lease and higher price, dsa would be a long term descision which has not yet been made but is extremely viable for 737 fleet at least due to fleet differnces and development in the future
dsa sales are exceeding predictions as charter flights have been increased and low cost reduced but sales are performing well. long haul charter is surpassing best predictions excluding cun which is on par.
dsa is at present central operational focus for the future for a base which could be huge.
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Originally Posted by banewboi
i know what i know and for clarification some of this is undecided, some is discussion and some is a product of knowledge cumulation.
I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to explain it all over. Other readers will make their assesments as to how reliable they believe your knowledge and facts to be. I have made mine, and therefore don't need to hang around to read more.
All yours.
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i cannot and will not present my information as fact, some of it is in the progress of discussion, some is un confirmed and some is the product of information being added to other information, however, all of it is is reliable information, all of the said is in discussion and all is extremely business viable, draw what conclusions you wil
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Just a quick question with regard to the UK Thomson 757/767 fleets. Has there been any suggestion of renewing these fleets? If so, what aircraft have been suggested?
Thanks, sorry if it’s been discussed before.
Thanks, sorry if it’s been discussed before.
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TOM are due to announce their choice for new aircraft this summer. The choice is between the 787 and the A350. However since they have just ordered some new 737s they are expected to go boeing.
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Not sure they have made plans yet mate, but I'm thinking perhaps one or more of the 787 variants may feature in their future plans somewhere - but thats just my opinion. It seems to meet the criteria of First Choice as they have ordered some.
All the best,
eP.
All the best,
eP.