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Terminal Extension
The timescale for extending/modernising the existing terminal seems to be that upon the announcement of new routes to commence in 2007, the work will go ahead (assuming that these new routes will generate a reasonable increase in pax numbers).
Presumably if Flybe do go for SEN they will do so with a reasonable number of routes initially, say, six(?) and I presume that would be considered sufficient to proceed with the terminal expansion.
If Flybe drop out, then I suppose you could find a situation whereby just one or two routes are opened up by one or more operators, cherry-picking the best of the routes which Flybe would have flown.
Surely SEN-AMS must have potential as it would cater for the leisure, business, interlining and tour markets. Any thoughts on other likely routes and the airlines that would fly them?
I agree that the terminal modernisation should go ahead regardless, but let's face it, if no new routes are inked-in for 2007 what increase in pax would you actually be catering for? I don't think an operator on the verge of signing up is going to be put off as long as he knows that, as his SEN traffic grows, the expanded terminal will be there within 6 to 9 months.
Presumably if Flybe do go for SEN they will do so with a reasonable number of routes initially, say, six(?) and I presume that would be considered sufficient to proceed with the terminal expansion.
If Flybe drop out, then I suppose you could find a situation whereby just one or two routes are opened up by one or more operators, cherry-picking the best of the routes which Flybe would have flown.
Surely SEN-AMS must have potential as it would cater for the leisure, business, interlining and tour markets. Any thoughts on other likely routes and the airlines that would fly them?
I agree that the terminal modernisation should go ahead regardless, but let's face it, if no new routes are inked-in for 2007 what increase in pax would you actually be catering for? I don't think an operator on the verge of signing up is going to be put off as long as he knows that, as his SEN traffic grows, the expanded terminal will be there within 6 to 9 months.
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Jamie - interested in what you say about the place when there are no movements.
Who are the people using it? Employees? Cargo operators? The general public because the cafe is offering a great deal on shepherds pie and chips?
What are they doing there?
Who are the people using it? Employees? Cargo operators? The general public because the cafe is offering a great deal on shepherds pie and chips?
What are they doing there?
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Not sure - Looked like General Public, famlies with kids in tow etc and some staff and it was around 11.30 so maybe a little early for lunchtime.
Not sure about Shepherds Pie WITH Chips though
Not sure about Shepherds Pie WITH Chips though
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How much does SEN interfere with the NWI catchment area? Would this put BE off expanding at SEN?
Initial routes must include the likes of Edinburgh, Manchester, Glasgow, Dublin etc.
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Mike
Initial routes must include the likes of Edinburgh, Manchester, Glasgow, Dublin etc.
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Mike
Don't forget that Flybe started talking about routes from SEN at much they same time as they were developing their NWI hub. They presumably did not think that there would be a great deal of overlap at that time.
I suppose if you live in, say, Colchester you might consider NWI as an alternative to SEN but my experience as a traveller is that I choose the departure point that offers me the most convenient schedule and the least likely hassle parking, at check-in and security etc. provided it is within a roughly similar driving distance. If I lived in Colchester I would use SEN in preference to STN or NWI if it offered me the same destination with comparable scheduling.
I suppose if you live in, say, Colchester you might consider NWI as an alternative to SEN but my experience as a traveller is that I choose the departure point that offers me the most convenient schedule and the least likely hassle parking, at check-in and security etc. provided it is within a roughly similar driving distance. If I lived in Colchester I would use SEN in preference to STN or NWI if it offered me the same destination with comparable scheduling.
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Jamie - Matey, afraid I'm a saddo that likes shepherds pie and chips (with loadsa gravy please)!!
But I'm still interested in the populace you saw. If you see the phenomenon again, try and earhole some of the conversations to see where these folks come from.
It could well be the restaurant. My dad often pops into the restaurant at Shoreham airport because he reckons the grub is good, fairly priced and he can watch the light stuff and the occasional Harvard pottering around.
Back to the thread. Expressflight has a good point. I live in Greenwich which is around an hour's drive away under usual traffic conditions from SEN. I loathe STN (a similar drive away) and if I had the chance of an alternative departure from SEN I would take it.
But I'm still interested in the populace you saw. If you see the phenomenon again, try and earhole some of the conversations to see where these folks come from.
It could well be the restaurant. My dad often pops into the restaurant at Shoreham airport because he reckons the grub is good, fairly priced and he can watch the light stuff and the occasional Harvard pottering around.
Back to the thread. Expressflight has a good point. I live in Greenwich which is around an hour's drive away under usual traffic conditions from SEN. I loathe STN (a similar drive away) and if I had the chance of an alternative departure from SEN I would take it.
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Whenever I have been in the terminal, its busy with pilots on stopping during training flights etc., engineers from the various companies based at SEN and local people. Not to mention the spotters.
The £4 breakfast is superb!!
Just because they don't have many pax flights. Doesn't mean they are not busy. Have you tried calling up on a busy weekend or weekday?
I feel sure with Southends location within the Thames Gateway etc. it does have huge potential. I just hope the current owners (RAL) are able to attract the business.
I know its no good looking to the past. But correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it in the top 10 busiest commercial airports in the country?
Obviously aircraft size and performance prohibits that again, but as a regional airport it must have appeal.
The £4 breakfast is superb!!
Just because they don't have many pax flights. Doesn't mean they are not busy. Have you tried calling up on a busy weekend or weekday?
I feel sure with Southends location within the Thames Gateway etc. it does have huge potential. I just hope the current owners (RAL) are able to attract the business.
I know its no good looking to the past. But correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it in the top 10 busiest commercial airports in the country?
Obviously aircraft size and performance prohibits that again, but as a regional airport it must have appeal.
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Originally Posted by Barnaby the Bear
I know its no good looking to the past. But correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it in the top 10 busiest commercial airports in the country?
Obviously aircraft size and performance prohibits that again, but as a regional airport it must have appeal.
Obviously aircraft size and performance prohibits that again, but as a regional airport it must have appeal.
busiest airports in the country. In 1967/8 it processed around 750,000
passengers.
Unfortunately it was run and owned by Southend Corporation, who were
quite happy to be associated with it so long as they did not have to
invest any money, and so long as the profits were stowed away in the
Corporation's coffers.
That lack of investment soon began to show, and the airlines re-equiping with the early jets with their poor runway performance could not operate commercially from Southend's runway, and were then further discouraged by the 400% noise surcharge imposed by Southend Corporation.
If ever there is a book written on how to not run an airport it
will have Southend Corporation stamped all over it!!
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If ever there is a book written about how not to run anything, or alternatively how to ruin anything, it should have Southend Council stamped all over it!!!!
The airport, the pier, the seafront, the latest bus station, the list is endless.
By the way, I don't think Rochford District Council are much better when it comes to the airport.
Over the years I have collected news items about the airport and it will be no surprise to learn that the negative news from both Councils far outweighs their positive comments.
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The airport, the pier, the seafront, the latest bus station, the list is endless.
By the way, I don't think Rochford District Council are much better when it comes to the airport.
Over the years I have collected news items about the airport and it will be no surprise to learn that the negative news from both Councils far outweighs their positive comments.
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The Airport has just published a 'Airport Surface Access Strategy' document on its website.
Among the subjects it covers, it states that they expect a major increase in passenger throughput in 2007. They will investigate the possibility of introducing a shuttle between the existing terminal and Rochford station to coincide with the start up of airline operations in 2007.
It also refers to the new terminal and railway terminal and states that work is due to start on the site later this year with a view to opening in 2009.
Among the subjects it covers, it states that they expect a major increase in passenger throughput in 2007. They will investigate the possibility of introducing a shuttle between the existing terminal and Rochford station to coincide with the start up of airline operations in 2007.
It also refers to the new terminal and railway terminal and states that work is due to start on the site later this year with a view to opening in 2009.
Well, certainly no sign of any denting of RAL's confidence within the 'Airport Surface Access Strategy' - in fact, if anything, they seem even more bullish with talk of a possible 500,000 pax in 2007.
Interesting to note that they are talking of commencing construction of the new terminal/rail station this year.
They will certainly look rather silly if nothing comes of their current airline negotiations.
Getting back to the EMB-195, doing a back-of-an-envelope calculation (not having access to the performance graphs) I reckon if you limited the payload to around 100 pax that should give a range of some 850nm. That would still be an 85% load factor and might be preferable to a tech-stop I would have thought. I seem to recall that PMI was 720nm, although I stand to be corrected. I wonder if Flybe would find that scenario acceptable.
Interesting to note that they are talking of commencing construction of the new terminal/rail station this year.
They will certainly look rather silly if nothing comes of their current airline negotiations.
Getting back to the EMB-195, doing a back-of-an-envelope calculation (not having access to the performance graphs) I reckon if you limited the payload to around 100 pax that should give a range of some 850nm. That would still be an 85% load factor and might be preferable to a tech-stop I would have thought. I seem to recall that PMI was 720nm, although I stand to be corrected. I wonder if Flybe would find that scenario acceptable.
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Aurigny ATR42 Based Southend
Two ex Air Wales ATR 42 are being preparred in Guernsey with there engineering facility.
I am lead to believe that when they are dcirtifie for flight they are going to be based at Southend but operated by Aurigny themselves???
Going a bit off the Channel Islands track having aircraft based off Island.
I do not know at the moment but i do belive they will be freighting most of the time if not all.
They may have picked some contract from Emerald or BAC?????.
I am lead to believe that when they are dcirtifie for flight they are going to be based at Southend but operated by Aurigny themselves???
Going a bit off the Channel Islands track having aircraft based off Island.
I do not know at the moment but i do belive they will be freighting most of the time if not all.
They may have picked some contract from Emerald or BAC?????.
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I didn't think Emerald were still operating. How about Trans Euro Air? They operate charters. Maybe they are looking to expand. . Are you sure they are not just going to be stored there with the many ATP's sat around Southend?
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The 2 ATR's G CDFF and GSSEA will be operated in Air Wales colours with Aurigny's crews and on Aurigny's AOC, primararily on charter work using Flightline as the broker. They will be based at Southend and only come back to the Islands for maintenance or to cover AT72;s on maintenance/ unserviceabilty
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Aurigny, not interested in a service from Southend? Or would that be too close to Stansted and Gatwick?
Still more aircraft based, and operating from Southend can only be good for them.
Still more aircraft based, and operating from Southend can only be good for them.
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My information still suggests scheduled services by an established low cost airline from March next year. No lies or wind up, just good info from a reliable source. As we all know, things can change rapidly in aviation. hopefully this good sourced rumour will reach fruition?