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Originally Posted by buzzmebaby
Just had a go at Cork - Madrid and Cork - Prague and was able to get flights from €25-45 each way pretty much any day I desired...
Maybe it was a glitch soon after loading the flights to the system or maybe your guys aren't very good shoppers!
Maybe it was a glitch soon after loading the flights to the system or maybe your guys aren't very good shoppers!
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Flight Detent, thank you for the update on the new terminal at Ostrava. I was having a giggle at work about it with a pal whom is from there - maybe Ostrava's terminal will be a little more modest than Cork's but I would not be too surprised to hear from you that unlike Cork there is a long runway there with good navaids etc?
It is a relief that the new Madrid service is now being more moderately priced for a trip and it looks like the plain people of Cork and Munster will in time be able to get in a visit. Looking forward immensely to that one! Puerta del Sol here we come!
What I am not looking forward to is how high the price of London flights are going to get over the summer and into the autum with Aer Lingus now too getting into the act of cancelling one of their Heathrow rotations from July, the EI713/4, the flight normally flown by the London originating Airbus A321. It is also looking more than likely that easyJet are to drop their Gatwick Ireland services including Cork from the end of Sepetember because their new schedule from Gatwick to Glasgow starting 2nd October is timed exactly on the Cork times so that outcome may be looking pretty grim?
The Cork London flights are being decimated this summer. If easyJet go how long will it be before Ryanair try to squeeze Cork for lower charges bearing in mind the higher fees due to be introduced at the airport from September? You can just imagine M O'L and his trusty side kick, Mr Cawley, dictating the terms to the bunch in charge at Cork threatening that if they do not get their way in lower charges that they would pull the airline out all together?
Instead of being out celebrating the new Madrid service the feeling is just one of more despair when it comes to Cork Airport.
It is a relief that the new Madrid service is now being more moderately priced for a trip and it looks like the plain people of Cork and Munster will in time be able to get in a visit. Looking forward immensely to that one! Puerta del Sol here we come!
What I am not looking forward to is how high the price of London flights are going to get over the summer and into the autum with Aer Lingus now too getting into the act of cancelling one of their Heathrow rotations from July, the EI713/4, the flight normally flown by the London originating Airbus A321. It is also looking more than likely that easyJet are to drop their Gatwick Ireland services including Cork from the end of Sepetember because their new schedule from Gatwick to Glasgow starting 2nd October is timed exactly on the Cork times so that outcome may be looking pretty grim?
The Cork London flights are being decimated this summer. If easyJet go how long will it be before Ryanair try to squeeze Cork for lower charges bearing in mind the higher fees due to be introduced at the airport from September? You can just imagine M O'L and his trusty side kick, Mr Cawley, dictating the terms to the bunch in charge at Cork threatening that if they do not get their way in lower charges that they would pull the airline out all together?
Instead of being out celebrating the new Madrid service the feeling is just one of more despair when it comes to Cork Airport.
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Heard an intersting one a while ago. The Irish Air Corps Learjet 45 arrived in Cork this afternoon with none other than Minister Cullen aboard. Have not heard about any other engagements the Minister was due to have in Cork so it looks like it may have been a top level meeting with the bunch in charge at Cork Airport. Wonder was he sucking up to the Cork crowd after his little "Poor outlook" remarks the other night in the Dail?
A nod has come my way too that the new teminal at Cork Airport has turned into a complete public relations collapse for the government. What should have been a great coup for the Fianna Fail/PD coalition is now nothing but a disaster and no credit whatsoever can be taken for the new terminal by the govenment parties! The latest rumor is that the DAA want Cork to open up the new terminal asap but it is now Cork that are holding things up! What an irony!
There are some more Lourdes pilgrimage flights due next Sunday and what is planned is that the Serviceair building (former Aer Lingus Cargo) is scheduled to be used as a terminal to process the pilgrim passengers. All this while the new termninal lies idle! Cork Airport, small airport, big heart - my ass!
Mad or what!?
A nod has come my way too that the new teminal at Cork Airport has turned into a complete public relations collapse for the government. What should have been a great coup for the Fianna Fail/PD coalition is now nothing but a disaster and no credit whatsoever can be taken for the new terminal by the govenment parties! The latest rumor is that the DAA want Cork to open up the new terminal asap but it is now Cork that are holding things up! What an irony!
There are some more Lourdes pilgrimage flights due next Sunday and what is planned is that the Serviceair building (former Aer Lingus Cargo) is scheduled to be used as a terminal to process the pilgrim passengers. All this while the new termninal lies idle! Cork Airport, small airport, big heart - my ass!
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I fully agree that its by no means certain that EZY are withdrawing from Ireland. Their winter timetable is loaded in the website, but as of now it is unable to book any flights beyond September. You may recall that prior to the Summer schedule being uploaded, similar speculation was flying around as the schedules were late in being loaded. I feel here that EZY could be "waiting and seeing" what the competition do before finalising their own schedules. I hope this is the case as I would not like to see them withdraw.
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Tom - some interesting posts. My guess is that the new terminal will not open until a new election date has been set. Then, the politicos will be falling over themselves cutting ribbons and telling all and sundry how much they care about Cork Airport. The likelihood is that a decision on funding will be kicked to touch once again and they will come up with some half assed solution once again. This entire episode reflects poorly on everyone involved - the management at Cork, the project management people in charge of the new terminal, the head honchos at Dublin Airport Authority, and last not but not least, Minister for Transport Martin Cullen.
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This from today's Irish Examiner. Getting hot round the collar over the new terminal!
Bitter row in airport terminal delay as minister and management clash
A BITTER row has erupted between Transport Minister, Martin Cullen, and Cork Airport Board over who is to blame for delays in commissioning its troubled new €150m terminal.
Mr Cullen was formally challenged to apologise yesterday for comments he made effectively blaming the board for the delay in opening the new hi-tech terminal.
Cork Chamber of Commerce and Cork Business Association were stunned by "the ridiculous and outrageous comments".
Mr Cullen, replying to a Fine Gael query in the Dail, indicated that the future prospects for the new terminal are not encouraging if the board cannot even handle the opening schedule despite the investment.
A spokesman for the minister has since said the comment was borne out of the disappointment in not having such an excellent facility already available for public use.
But a Cork Airport Authority (CAA) spokesman dismissed the criticism - and pointed out that the new terminal's design, construction and commissioning acceptance is entirely a matter for Dublin Airport Authority.
A CAA spokesperson said they were "very disappointed" with Mr Cullen's comments.
"These comments are not helpful in the current situation. The management of the design and construction of the new terminal is, and always has been, the responsibility of the Dublin Airport Authority.
"Any suggestion that Cork Airport management is responsible for the continuing delays is completely inaccurate."
Bitter row in airport terminal delay as minister and management clash
A BITTER row has erupted between Transport Minister, Martin Cullen, and Cork Airport Board over who is to blame for delays in commissioning its troubled new €150m terminal.
Mr Cullen was formally challenged to apologise yesterday for comments he made effectively blaming the board for the delay in opening the new hi-tech terminal.
Cork Chamber of Commerce and Cork Business Association were stunned by "the ridiculous and outrageous comments".
Mr Cullen, replying to a Fine Gael query in the Dail, indicated that the future prospects for the new terminal are not encouraging if the board cannot even handle the opening schedule despite the investment.
A spokesman for the minister has since said the comment was borne out of the disappointment in not having such an excellent facility already available for public use.
But a Cork Airport Authority (CAA) spokesman dismissed the criticism - and pointed out that the new terminal's design, construction and commissioning acceptance is entirely a matter for Dublin Airport Authority.
A CAA spokesperson said they were "very disappointed" with Mr Cullen's comments.
"These comments are not helpful in the current situation. The management of the design and construction of the new terminal is, and always has been, the responsibility of the Dublin Airport Authority.
"Any suggestion that Cork Airport management is responsible for the continuing delays is completely inaccurate."
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What an atmostphere there must be! It is high time that President Bill Clinton and U S Senator Mitchell were wheeled in to help out in the negotiations on this one! Mind you, if geniuses at Cork did allow in our two heroes from the States they'd still have to reposition to snn or Kerry for overnight parking!
Well, I sure do hope that I am reading things wrong and that easyJet do stay at Cork Airport. The airport really needs easyJet to hang on as it gives a leverage in any talks with Ryanair putting some measure of manners on them and that has got to help. Still feel there is some scope for easyJet to have another route ex-Cork which EI have so far missed. Two easyJet routes with the right frequences would be a winner for the airline and also beef things up for the crowd at Cork which would make 'em look better!
All Ryanair want to do is fill their snn based aeroplanes and they are happy to take Cork passengers to do this?
Well, I sure do hope that I am reading things wrong and that easyJet do stay at Cork Airport. The airport really needs easyJet to hang on as it gives a leverage in any talks with Ryanair putting some measure of manners on them and that has got to help. Still feel there is some scope for easyJet to have another route ex-Cork which EI have so far missed. Two easyJet routes with the right frequences would be a winner for the airline and also beef things up for the crowd at Cork which would make 'em look better!
All Ryanair want to do is fill their snn based aeroplanes and they are happy to take Cork passengers to do this?
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how much would it cost to put in enough remote parking to solve the current issues? Are there land availability issues or something?
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I think it would be a bad thing for Cork to be seen to add anything at the moment with the debt issue hovering over the heads of the CAA. It would probably be seen that if they went and built a nice new taxiway, installed CAT III or built a remote stand that they have enough money for the terminal themselves.
I think it would be a bad thing for Cork to be seen to add anything at the moment with the debt issue hovering over the heads of the CAA. It would probably be seen that if they went and built a nice new taxiway, installed CAT III or built a remote stand that they have enough money for the terminal themselves.
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some statistics....
According to my calculations there ork-lon is down about 400 seats each way on last summer.
ie FR 738 4X STN@189
EI 320 5X LHR@174
U2 319 3X LGW@156
TOTAL = c.2100
This summer......
FR 738 2X STN
EI 320 4X LHR
U2 319 2X LGW
TOTAL c.1700!!!!!
this is on a daily basis...yields to LON this summer will be sky-high!
Interestingly enough EI are quoted as not having made a decision on CANX the 5th flight, but its gone from the system! I dont suppose EI will base an A321 instead of an A320, putting it on the LHR all day? Either way the extra EI capacity into europe does go some way to alleviate the drop to LON though c3400 seats per day extra.EI is about the only bright spot in the airports future,although the decision to take on CSA is a bit worrying, will other airlines bother introducing new routes, only to have EI scoop it all away?
ie FR 738 4X STN@189
EI 320 5X LHR@174
U2 319 3X LGW@156
TOTAL = c.2100
This summer......
FR 738 2X STN
EI 320 4X LHR
U2 319 2X LGW
TOTAL c.1700!!!!!
this is on a daily basis...yields to LON this summer will be sky-high!
Interestingly enough EI are quoted as not having made a decision on CANX the 5th flight, but its gone from the system! I dont suppose EI will base an A321 instead of an A320, putting it on the LHR all day? Either way the extra EI capacity into europe does go some way to alleviate the drop to LON though c3400 seats per day extra.EI is about the only bright spot in the airports future,although the decision to take on CSA is a bit worrying, will other airlines bother introducing new routes, only to have EI scoop it all away?
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Aer Arann's presence on Newquay will probably rule out Plymouth Cork although the route operated successfully from 1975 to last March.
Aerlingus must be congratulated for their expansion out of Cork to so many European Cities. However Prague in competition with CSA could be a real dogfight. EI will have lower fares but CSA have better times and a vast array of connections. Should be interesting but Vienna or Kracow would have been preferable.
Aerlingus must be congratulated for their expansion out of Cork to so many European Cities. However Prague in competition with CSA could be a real dogfight. EI will have lower fares but CSA have better times and a vast array of connections. Should be interesting but Vienna or Kracow would have been preferable.
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Indo article yest or Fri
as a sort of postscript to a statement comment the spokesman for CAA said early July opening......was in the indo yesterday or friday
can't find the link but it's in the article as a throwaway line....as a sort of "oh by the way..."
can't find the link but it's in the article as a throwaway line....as a sort of "oh by the way..."
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Opening of Cork's Terminal
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The CAA have been hopelessly wide of the mark with all of their opening dates for the new terminal.
Besides sources tell me that they don't want to open it untill after the Summer and that it's the DAA that are pushing for July.
The CAA have been hopelessly wide of the mark with all of their opening dates for the new terminal.
Besides sources tell me that they don't want to open it untill after the Summer and that it's the DAA that are pushing for July.
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Originally Posted by Tom the Tenor
maybe Ostrava's terminal will be a little more modest than Cork's but I would not be too surprised to hear from you that unlike Cork there is a long runway there with good navaids etc?
Well, the runway is 60 meters ..... wide and 4000 long. But most of all it is FLAT. 
As far as the navaids, it is dual ILS and dual VOR/DME. Don't be too harsh on Cork although I understand that weather does get VERY messy time to time, ILS / CAT II ILS is fairly good and give the size of airport and aircraft operating to it I suppose CAT III is not justifiable. There is a maison perhaps a mile short of the runway 35, precisely on the centreline. Does anybody know how enthusiastic is the owner about the airport?
How long since Malev started flying to Cork? I do not remember seeing them year and half ago...
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Ostrava 4000 metre long. No problems there on hot days, then!
Sorry, unable to concede to you that Cork should be only to CATII standard. To do so and say CATII is fine for Cork gives away too much in terms of lost passegers and diversions to snn and Kerry. Cork passengers pay enough in taxes and charges and deserve to complete their flights at Cork and if that means a CATIII ILS well so be it!
Did you all see last Saturday's Irish Examiner? There is a story about the cutbacks on the Cork-London flights. It is a farce with EZY blaming the world cup for the pearing back of flights, RYR are blaming the airport's high charges for the cut in Stansted flights and that they are adding higher yielding extra Dublin-France flights to use up the capacity. This despite that the Stansted flights are flown by a Stansted aeroplane and new charges at Cork are not due until September. Aer Lingus are saying they are reviewing their Cork-London flights too but their schedule shows that the EI713/4 is simply gone from July.
I am sure the Cork Airport Authority has been up all weekend busily addressing the London flights issues! By the way, have a look at the Jet2 website. Newcastle-Cork not bookable after the end of October.
Turmoil!
Malev started end of April, 2005. Not sure whom lives in the house on the 35 centreline.
Sorry, unable to concede to you that Cork should be only to CATII standard. To do so and say CATII is fine for Cork gives away too much in terms of lost passegers and diversions to snn and Kerry. Cork passengers pay enough in taxes and charges and deserve to complete their flights at Cork and if that means a CATIII ILS well so be it!
Did you all see last Saturday's Irish Examiner? There is a story about the cutbacks on the Cork-London flights. It is a farce with EZY blaming the world cup for the pearing back of flights, RYR are blaming the airport's high charges for the cut in Stansted flights and that they are adding higher yielding extra Dublin-France flights to use up the capacity. This despite that the Stansted flights are flown by a Stansted aeroplane and new charges at Cork are not due until September. Aer Lingus are saying they are reviewing their Cork-London flights too but their schedule shows that the EI713/4 is simply gone from July.
I am sure the Cork Airport Authority has been up all weekend busily addressing the London flights issues! By the way, have a look at the Jet2 website. Newcastle-Cork not bookable after the end of October.
Turmoil!
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brian dromey->Your figures miss two FR rotations to Gatwick, so the real loss is around 50 seats. With the reduction in the number of passengers needing to connect in London (because of more direct flights) and the extra capacity to Amsterdam (encouraging connections there), it will essentially mean that capacity is around static on a year on year basis.
As mentioned by ryan2000, Aer Arann are unlikely to look at it because they already operate to Newquay. Given that they are the only local operator with aircraft capable of landing on Plymouth's runway, any candidate is likely to come from the other side of the water.
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Does anyone know if there has been any interest by airlines to restart the Plymouth route?
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The new ad for Cork Airport was put up today.... Could this mean it is opening sooner than we think?
http://www.corkairport.ie/AR_Cork/Im...NT/sbp28x5.jpg
http://www.corkairport.ie/AR_Cork/Im...NT/sbp28x5.jpg