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well the planning for the old terminal will expire,the control tower will remain,there was plans for a new ATc area across the other side of the airport buti dont think thats going ahead.
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This issue about planning has been raised in the past without any concrete answers. Does anybody know for sure if the planning will expire? 
Is it a condition of the planning granted for the new terminal? Does it matter considering the glacial rate of change we see in Irish public sectors and the aviation sector in particular since they probably wouldn't do anything worthwhile with it if planning remained valid? 
Isn't that a lot of questions? Are they my feet...?
Is it a condition of the planning granted for the new terminal? Does it matter considering the glacial rate of change we see in Irish public sectors and the aviation sector in particular since they probably wouldn't do anything worthwhile with it if planning remained valid? Isn't that a lot of questions? Are they my feet...?
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Aer Rianta (as it was then) didn'y complete an enivironmental impact assessment for the new terminal because it was replacing the existing terminal. This was to make the development of the new terminal faster!!
If the old terminal were to be re-used, a full EIS would be required first. On the basis of that, Cork County Council and An Bord Pleanala would decide whether the terminal would be reopened.
I wouldn't imagine that it would be a major problem, but it would take time.
If the old terminal were to be re-used, a full EIS would be required first. On the basis of that, Cork County Council and An Bord Pleanala would decide whether the terminal would be reopened.
I wouldn't imagine that it would be a major problem, but it would take time.
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The new terminal has been very much tidied up in recent days so there may be a chance we may see it opened for use pretty soon. The bunch in charge are in bad need of a distraction when you consider the pearing back of the London flights in the peak summer period and a likely lonely winter ahead when Cork may see the end of schedules from Glasgow, Newcastle and it now looks like Leeds Bradford may be about to go the same way too.
What better distraction to all this woe other than to open the brand new terminal and to trumpet it as a new beginning for Cork Airport. Anything to get the attention away from the real issue of the UK market dwinling away so much. It was a a pretty dull and quiet terminal this evening after the boarding of the bmi baby to Birmingham and the EI and EZY to London. The FR907/8 is gone and the atmostphere in the terminal was vague and depressing with all the coffee shop tables and chairs being quickly tidied away and the place being left to the cleaner to get on with his work.
If it was not for the continued committment of Aer Lingus to Cork with the placing of a 4th A320 and the new routes to Berlin, Tenerife and Birmingham that are to begin in a few weeks along with more new flights to be added in the autumn to Madrid, Lanzarote and Prague the future of Cork Airport would be very, very grim indeed. There is no doubt about it that Aer Lingus are saving Cork from a disaster this year.
Whatever Ryanair's agenda is it has got little to do with Cork. Guess the filling of their aeroplanes at the snn base is much higher up their list of priorities than any committment they have to their passengers in Cork with the cutting back of so many Stansted and Liverpool services.
What better distraction to all this woe other than to open the brand new terminal and to trumpet it as a new beginning for Cork Airport. Anything to get the attention away from the real issue of the UK market dwinling away so much. It was a a pretty dull and quiet terminal this evening after the boarding of the bmi baby to Birmingham and the EI and EZY to London. The FR907/8 is gone and the atmostphere in the terminal was vague and depressing with all the coffee shop tables and chairs being quickly tidied away and the place being left to the cleaner to get on with his work.
If it was not for the continued committment of Aer Lingus to Cork with the placing of a 4th A320 and the new routes to Berlin, Tenerife and Birmingham that are to begin in a few weeks along with more new flights to be added in the autumn to Madrid, Lanzarote and Prague the future of Cork Airport would be very, very grim indeed. There is no doubt about it that Aer Lingus are saving Cork from a disaster this year.
Whatever Ryanair's agenda is it has got little to do with Cork. Guess the filling of their aeroplanes at the snn base is much higher up their list of priorities than any committment they have to their passengers in Cork with the cutting back of so many Stansted and Liverpool services.
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The fact is that Cork do not want to deal with Ryanair if it means having to reduce costs.
SNN has the best of both worlds. They've given Ryanair a low cost deal while their costs are sky high. I know they've tried to get their costs in order by offering extremely attractive redundancy packages to the staff, but why should the staff budge when they can enjoy the gravy train at least untill after the election.
Cork are fortunate that Aerlingus have been so positive over the last 2 years. Otherwise Ryanair would have them over a barrell.
One glimmer of hope is that JET 2 from NCL to Pisa and Bergen is also unbookable so maybe they are simply revising their winter timetable.
Heard that Riga, Villnius, Kracow and Glasgow are still on Aerlingus' Cork wish list.
SNN has the best of both worlds. They've given Ryanair a low cost deal while their costs are sky high. I know they've tried to get their costs in order by offering extremely attractive redundancy packages to the staff, but why should the staff budge when they can enjoy the gravy train at least untill after the election.
Cork are fortunate that Aerlingus have been so positive over the last 2 years. Otherwise Ryanair would have them over a barrell.
One glimmer of hope is that JET 2 from NCL to Pisa and Bergen is also unbookable so maybe they are simply revising their winter timetable.
Heard that Riga, Villnius, Kracow and Glasgow are still on Aerlingus' Cork wish list.
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According to the CAA, there were 2,793 passengers on Cork-Newcastle in April. That is about 90 pax per flight. I think I'm right in saying that Jet2 use 737-300s, although I don't know the configuration. In any case, the loads would appear to be below what's desirable, but acceptable for a new route. Obviously there's the usual proviso that we don't know the yields.
Incidentally, bmibaby carried 2,666 on the Durham Tees-Valley route with one rotation more per week. The indications are that there is definitely demand for one route to the North-East of England, but possiblty not for two.
The Winter timetable has tightened up hugely on turnaround times and aircraft utilization etc. If they add them, one of three things will have to happen
-they'll need to base a further aircraft in Cork
-they'll need to drop frequencies on existing routes
-they'll need to operate some London flights with London-based aircraft
Obviously, the first is the most desirable, but with only two more 320s scheduled to arrive is not especially likely. The third option could be interesting, because it could assign extra capacity to Cork without the need to make it the full amount of capacity generated by one aircraft over an entire day.
Incidentally, bmibaby carried 2,666 on the Durham Tees-Valley route with one rotation more per week. The indications are that there is definitely demand for one route to the North-East of England, but possiblty not for two.
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Heard that Riga, Villnius, Kracow and Glasgow are still on Aerlingus' Cork wish list.
-they'll need to base a further aircraft in Cork
-they'll need to drop frequencies on existing routes
-they'll need to operate some London flights with London-based aircraft
Obviously, the first is the most desirable, but with only two more 320s scheduled to arrive is not especially likely. The third option could be interesting, because it could assign extra capacity to Cork without the need to make it the full amount of capacity generated by one aircraft over an entire day.
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They could manage Glasgow on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday with one of the existing 320's. However those dates mightn't be great in winter. Realistically the other routes would probably require a 5th 320 which is unlikely to happen this year.
Kracow is the one Polish destination that would generate outbound tourists as well as inward Polish workers.
It is being described as the new Prague and many City Breakers have been to the Czech Capitol since 2003 and are looking for a new destination.
Overall Aerlingus are very positive about Cork.
Kracow is the one Polish destination that would generate outbound tourists as well as inward Polish workers.
It is being described as the new Prague and many City Breakers have been to the Czech Capitol since 2003 and are looking for a new destination.
Overall Aerlingus are very positive about Cork.
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Just heard on the 96fm job thingy that " cork airport require customer service agents" and something else that i didn't catch, Is this leading up to the big opening or am I just getting my hopes up 
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2 questions:
is it the city or the county that covers the airport in planning terms
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slight aside: what happened jetmagic a few years ago ?
weren't they the great white hope
is it the city or the county that covers the airport in planning terms
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slight aside: what happened jetmagic a few years ago ?
weren't they the great white hope
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It's the county.
JM went through too much cash early on, and by the time the routes were starting to turn a shilling they were out of money. They also persevered for too long with routes that weren't performing, because there were some v. good ones, but some v. bad ones!
JM went through too much cash early on, and by the time the routes were starting to turn a shilling they were out of money. They also persevered for too long with routes that weren't performing, because there were some v. good ones, but some v. bad ones!
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The latest news from the hill is from the 10th july the new terminal will open for arrivals ONLY !!!! . Then from the 17 july the building will open to sun charter departures ... allowing all sch traffic to continue using the current building. And eventually from approx the 24 july the building will open to all, airlines, handling agents etc. Can you just imagine the scene of arriving aircraft parking on a rainy day outside the new terminal ... the pax disembarking down the steps of the aircraft to begin the trek up the 40 or so steps to get onto the arrivals level, meanwhile the departing pax still using the current building having to walk up to stands 9,10.11,12 etc ....... crazy !!!! . Again this is the word from caa so i wont hold my breath
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Same CAA that already have got it wrong about 7 times since last October.
It's the DAA that are putting the pressure on them to open it though I can see why the CAA are nervous about opening it at the peak time of the year given that there are bound to be teething problems with equipment etc.
It's the DAA that are putting the pressure on them to open it though I can see why the CAA are nervous about opening it at the peak time of the year given that there are bound to be teething problems with equipment etc.
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easyjet to scrap irish routes - today's sunday times
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Cork will get new flights to Sharm El Sheikh this winter. Falcon holidays is the tour operator behind the new flights, i'm not sure which airline! Good news for Cork! The Dublin-Sharm El Sheikh flights have done really well, now being operated by First Choice Airways 757's!
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Cork routes
The loss of Easyjet would be a serious body blow to Cork and Knock as Ryanair can now cut frequency on London routes.
In addition at Cork Loganair and BMI are withdrawing from Glasgow and Leeds and JET 2 has gone unbookable for the winter.
Not a great beginning to the opening of the new terminal. Increasing the charges may prove to be counter productive. Its the cost base they should be looking at ! That's what saved Aerlingus !
In addition at Cork Loganair and BMI are withdrawing from Glasgow and Leeds and JET 2 has gone unbookable for the winter.
Not a great beginning to the opening of the new terminal. Increasing the charges may prove to be counter productive. Its the cost base they should be looking at ! That's what saved Aerlingus !
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its great to see AL have such a commitment to cork but there is a but. AL have no reserve cover for flight crews there as they are all dublin based and overnighting in hotels there. All it takes is two sickies and the operation is a shambles. With the arrival of a 4th a320 the exposure to the operation is even greater.
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maybe with the new ex-cadet crew some will take a Cork base?
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90 pax a flight - sounds like a job for a Flybe Embraer 190
maybe with the new ex-cadet crew some will take a Cork base?
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90 pax a flight - sounds like a job for a Flybe Embraer 190
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Plans are at a very a late stage in relation to opening a pilot base at ork. Senior skippers will transfer to the base however its not clear yet how they will fill the right hand seat positions, rumours have it that alot will be contract workers and the remainder will be the locally based lads who are from ork ... Looks like the clarion will be housing less ei crews from possibly next year on