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What im suprised at is that Emirates havent launched a DXB-DUB service! Etihad are making a killing on their AUH-DUB route which now operates 2x daily
Firstly, EY at DUB is 10 weekly, and EK dont serve DUB yet as the market is quite finate and there are more competative markets for EK.
Yes, there are connections but EY are mopping up what is currently there. With such a huge fleet, if EK wanted to serve DUB, im pretty sure they would be.
If EK came to DUB, it would probably push EY out so I guess its a matter of be careful what you wish for, and how do you want to succeed
Firstly, EY at DUB is 10 weekly, and EK dont serve DUB yet as the market is quite finate and there are more competative markets for EK.
Yes, there are connections but EY are mopping up what is currently there. With such a huge fleet, if EK wanted to serve DUB, im pretty sure they would be.
If EK came to DUB, it would probably push EY out so I guess its a matter of be careful what you wish for, and how do you want to succeed
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It’s a low cost subsidised airline for the masses
To be fair, which airline has never been subsidised in its history?
I still think they have have a good value for money proposition, even more with the A380s, so I am not scared for their future.
The issue may be coming from a "close" neighbour with Turkish, which has the same geographical advantage, and may have facilities for traffic rights if the country integrates the EU. The one between BA/BA, AF/AZ and LH that will be able to merge with TK could be the winner over the middle term and can really damage "stand-alone" emirates
If Emirates are doing so badly, how come they've just launched the A380 on the MAN-DXB route?
Emirates in the UK does well because there are hundreds of thousands of people in the UK who have relatives and friends in Australasia and vice-versa. Who would imagine that a NCL-DXB flight would do so well right through the cabin?
'Service' as a concept disappeared from most airlines long ago. The beancounters saw to that.
With regard to competition, the owners of Emirates and Etihad are cousins. I therefore see little likelihood of serious competition between them.
Most of the EK flights I have been on have been full or almost full. They have cheap fuel at DXB and other points, so how do you define subsidy?
Emirates in the UK does well because there are hundreds of thousands of people in the UK who have relatives and friends in Australasia and vice-versa. Who would imagine that a NCL-DXB flight would do so well right through the cabin?
'Service' as a concept disappeared from most airlines long ago. The beancounters saw to that.
With regard to competition, the owners of Emirates and Etihad are cousins. I therefore see little likelihood of serious competition between them.
Most of the EK flights I have been on have been full or almost full. They have cheap fuel at DXB and other points, so how do you define subsidy?
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Ek`s fares are fairly good value from all but one place, thats the UAE. They rely on the fact that they operate the majority of direct flights to Europe, the Far East and Australia to charge over inflated prices from Dubai.
I rarely travel Emirates as it is often almost twice the price of other carriers. As an example its over 100 ponds cheaper to fly Emirates from LHR to BKK via DXB than it is just to fly DXB-BKK.
Some colleagues actually take an extra flight out of Dubai to pick up Emirates flights in places like Doha or Mumbai as this can save thousands of pounds if you are travelling as a family.
I rarely travel Emirates as it is often almost twice the price of other carriers. As an example its over 100 ponds cheaper to fly Emirates from LHR to BKK via DXB than it is just to fly DXB-BKK.
Some colleagues actually take an extra flight out of Dubai to pick up Emirates flights in places like Doha or Mumbai as this can save thousands of pounds if you are travelling as a family.
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'Service' as a concept disappeared from most airlines long ago. The beancounters saw to that.
Google "Ryanair" and a firm called "easyJet". Good service doesn't come cheap in any industry and inr eal terms the all in fare we pay in economy today compares pretty well in comparison to wehat it used to be!
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One must consider what arrangements EK have on existing services via
BAA airports. It's unbelievable that their Glasgow service is seemingly 'protected' competition-wise from BAA's more successful Scottish Airport in Edinburgh?
BAA airports. It's unbelievable that their Glasgow service is seemingly 'protected' competition-wise from BAA's more successful Scottish Airport in Edinburgh?
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There is no consipiracy about who can operate from what airport. EK chose GLA over EDI having looked at both airports. It is not illegal for them to pick that airport and would be illegal if there was an agreement to limit competition. As for Qatar and Etihad, I would suggest that they are monitoring the commercial prospects for commencing EDI but as there doesn't appear to be a case for them to do so at the moment, they are not going to start operating; in any case, i believe that any further UK expansion from them would be from BHX given the larger catchment area and the make-up of the catchment lending itself to the network both airlines operate.
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Ringwayman:
Have you followed this thread?
http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/431902-acn-pcn.html
Seems the physics of EDI might settle any conspiracy theories.?
As for catchment, one must remember that EDI has recently overtaken BHX
in terms of annual pax. ?
Have you followed this thread?
http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/431902-acn-pcn.html
Seems the physics of EDI might settle any conspiracy theories.?
As for catchment, one must remember that EDI has recently overtaken BHX
in terms of annual pax. ?
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They are a successful airline, in part that comes from cheap fuel, soft loans, low / no tax, and abundant airport infrastructure. Profit is in the eye of the beholder who seem to be in Dubai. Fueled by petro dollars. However at least they buy lots of airbus's and keep spotters at Manchester happy. The longer term damage to European aviation is difficult to understand it depends if the next generation of aircraft will encourage more point to point than hub and spoke.
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Sigh..... EK pay the same price for fuel as any other operator in DXB. They dont get it for free or at discounted rates.
There is very little refining in Dubai so jet fuel is imported. Also Dubai has virtually no oil reserves.
There is very little refining in Dubai so jet fuel is imported. Also Dubai has virtually no oil reserves.
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A380 next route JNB?
Some reservations systems showing Johannesburg on the A380 from
1st October 2011.
I am not sure if this is due to a new aircraft delivery or redeployment
from another route.
It seems to be making the press now with one quote stating the 489
version not 517.
The third Sydney service also is returning but by 77W.
Profits up 52% as well
FT.com / Companies / Airlines - Emirates profits up by more than half
Pete
1st October 2011.
I am not sure if this is due to a new aircraft delivery or redeployment
from another route.
It seems to be making the press now with one quote stating the 489
version not 517.
The third Sydney service also is returning but by 77W.
Profits up 52% as well
FT.com / Companies / Airlines - Emirates profits up by more than half
Pete
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JNB operated by a new (EK's 16th) A380 starting from 1st October is confirmed by EK
Emirates to launch Airbus A380 to Johannesburg | Emirates | About Emirates | News
EK will get 6 A380 and 13 B77W in the current financial year (April 2011 - March 2012)
gulfnews : Emirates to aggressively expand fleet and routes
Other highlights:
Starting this summer schedule EK added a 2nd daily flight each to VIE (A345) and CPT (A345).
On 1st May MAN (A332) become trice daily.
From 1st June GVA (daily B772) will be a new destination followed by CPH (daily A332) on 1st August.
HAM (B772) will get a second daily flight from 1st September, SYD (B77W) a third daily flight from 1st October and SIN (B77W) a fouth daily flight from 30th October.
From 3rd January EK will launch daily flights to GIG-EZE with B77W.
A lot of routes will get aircraft upgrades from A332/A343 to A343/B777. Looks like some A332 will leave the fleet later this year or EK will launch some new routes with the A332.
Emirates to launch Airbus A380 to Johannesburg | Emirates | About Emirates | News
EK will get 6 A380 and 13 B77W in the current financial year (April 2011 - March 2012)
gulfnews : Emirates to aggressively expand fleet and routes
Other highlights:
Starting this summer schedule EK added a 2nd daily flight each to VIE (A345) and CPT (A345).
On 1st May MAN (A332) become trice daily.
From 1st June GVA (daily B772) will be a new destination followed by CPH (daily A332) on 1st August.
HAM (B772) will get a second daily flight from 1st September, SYD (B77W) a third daily flight from 1st October and SIN (B77W) a fouth daily flight from 30th October.
From 3rd January EK will launch daily flights to GIG-EZE with B77W.
A lot of routes will get aircraft upgrades from A332/A343 to A343/B777. Looks like some A332 will leave the fleet later this year or EK will launch some new routes with the A332.
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Just a short update of new routes or a/c changes:
October
JNB one of 3 daily flights from B77W to A380
SYD additional daily fight with B77W - 3 daily in total
November
SIN add 5 weekly flights with B77W
FRA add 4 weekly flights with A332
PVG one of 2 daily flights from B77W to A380 (subject to government approval)
NRT increase from 5 weekly to daily B77W
HAM one of 2 daily flights from B773 to B77W
MAD increase from daily A343 to daily B77W
MXP one of 2 daily flights from A343 to B773
DEL one of 4 daily flights from A345 to B77L
NCE increase from daily A332 to daily A343
TUN increase from 4 weekly to 6 weekly (A332)
KRT increase from 4 weekly to 6 weekly (A332)
MRU add 1 weekly flight (A332) - 10 weekly in total
DKR add 1 weekly flight (A332) - 5 wekly in total
new daily flights to LED (6 weekly A343 + 1 weekly A332)
new 4 weekly flights to BGW (A332)
December
FRA add 3 weekly flights (A332) - 3 daily in total (2 x B77W + 1 x A332)
HKG add 5 weekly flights (A332)
VIE add 1 weekly flight (A345) - 2 daily in total (1 x B77W + 1 x A345)
MRU add 1 weekly flight (A332) - 11 weekly in total
TUN add 1 weekly flight (A332) - daily in total
KRT add 1 weekly flight (A332) - daily in total
KUL one of 2 daily flights from B77W to A380
FCO one of 2 daily flights from B77W to A380
LHR one of 5 daily flight from B773 to B77W
PVG one of 2 daily flight from A343 to B77W
FCO one of 2 daily flights from A332 to B77W
MXP one of 2 daily flights from A343 to B773
DUS one of 2 daily flights from A332 to A343
BLR one of 3 daily flights from A332 to A343
HYD 2 of 3 daily flights from A332 to A343
January
MUC one of 2 daily flights from B773 to A380
PRG increase from daily A332 to daily B773
new daily flights GIG-EZE (B77W)
new daily flights DUB (A332)
February
SIN add 2 weekly flights (B77W) - 4 daily in total
HAM one of 2 daily flights from B772 to B77W
CPH increase from daily A332 to daily B772
CMN increase from daily A345 to daily B77W
ACC-ABJ increase from daily A343 to daily A345
NBO one of 2 daily flights from A332 to A345
Suspended route to TIP (daily A345 or A332) should be re-opened soon.
Changes will be in affect during the first days of the month.
A332 (freed up during December and February) could be used for new European routes e.g. to BCN, BRU, ARN; additional flights e.g. to GLA, BHX, NCL or sold to other airlines.
15 A380 (A6-EDP up to A6-EED) due to delivery until end of 2012.
Another 3 A380 due to delivery in Q1/2013.
8 B77W (A6-EGF up to A6-EGM) will be delivered in the coming months.
All information subject to change. Errors and omissions excepted.
October
JNB one of 3 daily flights from B77W to A380
SYD additional daily fight with B77W - 3 daily in total
November
SIN add 5 weekly flights with B77W
FRA add 4 weekly flights with A332
PVG one of 2 daily flights from B77W to A380 (subject to government approval)
NRT increase from 5 weekly to daily B77W
HAM one of 2 daily flights from B773 to B77W
MAD increase from daily A343 to daily B77W
MXP one of 2 daily flights from A343 to B773
DEL one of 4 daily flights from A345 to B77L
NCE increase from daily A332 to daily A343
TUN increase from 4 weekly to 6 weekly (A332)
KRT increase from 4 weekly to 6 weekly (A332)
MRU add 1 weekly flight (A332) - 10 weekly in total
DKR add 1 weekly flight (A332) - 5 wekly in total
new daily flights to LED (6 weekly A343 + 1 weekly A332)
new 4 weekly flights to BGW (A332)
December
FRA add 3 weekly flights (A332) - 3 daily in total (2 x B77W + 1 x A332)
HKG add 5 weekly flights (A332)
VIE add 1 weekly flight (A345) - 2 daily in total (1 x B77W + 1 x A345)
MRU add 1 weekly flight (A332) - 11 weekly in total
TUN add 1 weekly flight (A332) - daily in total
KRT add 1 weekly flight (A332) - daily in total
KUL one of 2 daily flights from B77W to A380
FCO one of 2 daily flights from B77W to A380
LHR one of 5 daily flight from B773 to B77W
PVG one of 2 daily flight from A343 to B77W
FCO one of 2 daily flights from A332 to B77W
MXP one of 2 daily flights from A343 to B773
DUS one of 2 daily flights from A332 to A343
BLR one of 3 daily flights from A332 to A343
HYD 2 of 3 daily flights from A332 to A343
January
MUC one of 2 daily flights from B773 to A380
PRG increase from daily A332 to daily B773
new daily flights GIG-EZE (B77W)
new daily flights DUB (A332)
February
SIN add 2 weekly flights (B77W) - 4 daily in total
HAM one of 2 daily flights from B772 to B77W
CPH increase from daily A332 to daily B772
CMN increase from daily A345 to daily B77W
ACC-ABJ increase from daily A343 to daily A345
NBO one of 2 daily flights from A332 to A345
Suspended route to TIP (daily A345 or A332) should be re-opened soon.
Changes will be in affect during the first days of the month.
A332 (freed up during December and February) could be used for new European routes e.g. to BCN, BRU, ARN; additional flights e.g. to GLA, BHX, NCL or sold to other airlines.
15 A380 (A6-EDP up to A6-EED) due to delivery until end of 2012.
Another 3 A380 due to delivery in Q1/2013.
8 B77W (A6-EGF up to A6-EGM) will be delivered in the coming months.
All information subject to change. Errors and omissions excepted.
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A332's
Seljuk22
Excellent summary and very interesting the number of A332's released.
Glasgow must be due an evening service with constant 90% plus load
factors including August which I am sure was influenced by Ramadan.
One would think the recent Manchester expansion has done for BHX but
there are still rumours of a third flight and certainly August was not as
bad as I expected and certainly fares were not a give-away when I checked
a few months ago.
It is difficult to believe that they were beaten to Brussels and Barcelona
by their local rivals but I am sure it won't be long before that is rectified.
Pete
Excellent summary and very interesting the number of A332's released.
Glasgow must be due an evening service with constant 90% plus load
factors including August which I am sure was influenced by Ramadan.
One would think the recent Manchester expansion has done for BHX but
there are still rumours of a third flight and certainly August was not as
bad as I expected and certainly fares were not a give-away when I checked
a few months ago.
It is difficult to believe that they were beaten to Brussels and Barcelona
by their local rivals but I am sure it won't be long before that is rectified.
Pete
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News from January this year:
EK and EY will each receive permission to add another 11 weekly flights to France. 4 weekly to Paris and 7 weekly to a smaller city.
gulfnews : Emirates, Etihad get France clearance
Haven't heard of any new destination(s) so far. Don't know if they can add flights to Mayotte or Reunion based on that agreement, too.
EK and EY will each receive permission to add another 11 weekly flights to France. 4 weekly to Paris and 7 weekly to a smaller city.
gulfnews : Emirates, Etihad get France clearance
Haven't heard of any new destination(s) so far. Don't know if they can add flights to Mayotte or Reunion based on that agreement, too.
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EK 302/303 DXB-PVG will be 3 weekly A380 and 4 weekly B77W this winter. (No daily A380 as posted earlier)
EK 304/305 DXB-PVG will be icreased from daily A343 to daily B77W eff 1st Dec (as posted earlier).
new eff 1st February:
DXB-Lusaka-Harare 5 weekly A332
More air time for Africa as Emirates starts services to Zambia and Zimbabwe | Emirates | About Emirates | News
A6-EGF (B77W) was delivered yesterday.
EK 304/305 DXB-PVG will be icreased from daily A343 to daily B77W eff 1st Dec (as posted earlier).
new eff 1st February:
DXB-Lusaka-Harare 5 weekly A332
More air time for Africa as Emirates starts services to Zambia and Zimbabwe | Emirates | About Emirates | News
A6-EGF (B77W) was delivered yesterday.
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Hi
What do you think the chances are of the newcastle A330 being used on the flights to glasgow with a second flight being added to glasgow using the spare A330 and newcastle's flight being upgraded to the daily B777?
both airports then receive extra seats...
What do you think the chances are of the newcastle A330 being used on the flights to glasgow with a second flight being added to glasgow using the spare A330 and newcastle's flight being upgraded to the daily B777?
both airports then receive extra seats...