First Choice
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From: BRISTOL
BRS is FCA's biggest regional base behind MAN and LGW it handles more than BHX, GLA, EMA, STN, BFS, DUB, LTN and of course CWL, but it does remain a mystery not just to outsiders but crew and other company workers as to why FCA think that they cannot get the business to base CWL all year.
as well as operate the EXT winter prog, in my humble opinion there is more than enough business to operate year round BRS/EXT/CWL programmes alongside each other, theres probley enough to increase in BRS during winter aswell, XLA and KM will be picking up that business now though
as well as operate the EXT winter prog, in my humble opinion there is more than enough business to operate year round BRS/EXT/CWL programmes alongside each other, theres probley enough to increase in BRS during winter aswell, XLA and KM will be picking up that business now though
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From: uk
That is what i was wondering, the EXT charters are nearly always full according to my source, and FCA could prob base a 757 there all year round and operate full flights everyday. If EXT can fill a A310 to YYZ (altho it is split with BHX it still carries 100+ pax per week) surely EXT could have some more longer haul services, to stop south-west pax going to LGW/LHR/BHX?
FCA if your reading this then get some a/c based at EXT!!!
FCA if your reading this then get some a/c based at EXT!!!
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From: EGKK
First Choice most punctual charter airline; Flyjet worst
According to the latest statistics at Flightontime.info.
So far this summer, the ranking is:
1. First Choice Airways (17.1 mins av. delay)
2. Thomsonfly (17.5 mins av. delay)
3. MyTravel Airways (27.8 mins av. delay)
4. Thomas Cook Airlines (27.9 mins av. delay)
5. Monarch Airlines (30.5 mins av. delay)
6. Excel Airways (36.2 mins av. delay)
7. Astraeus (44.6 mins av. delay)
8. Flyjet (56.4 mins av. delay)
Shame to see delays up for all carriers compared with last summer (except for MyTravel).
Biggest increase in average delay was for Thomas Cook (up by 80% from last year).
So far this summer, the ranking is:
1. First Choice Airways (17.1 mins av. delay)
2. Thomsonfly (17.5 mins av. delay)
3. MyTravel Airways (27.8 mins av. delay)
4. Thomas Cook Airlines (27.9 mins av. delay)
5. Monarch Airlines (30.5 mins av. delay)
6. Excel Airways (36.2 mins av. delay)
7. Astraeus (44.6 mins av. delay)
8. Flyjet (56.4 mins av. delay)
Shame to see delays up for all carriers compared with last summer (except for MyTravel).
Biggest increase in average delay was for Thomas Cook (up by 80% from last year).
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From: Manchester
1ST (AVG DELAY MINS) 2ND (WITHIN 15MINS) 3RD (1HOUR+) 4TH (3HOURS +) 5TH ( TOTAL FLIGHTS)
1 (2) First Choice Airways(15.13) (77.94) (5.42) (1.28) (8,833)
2 (1) Thomsonfly * (12.82) (83.12) (4.55) (0.91) (10,526)
3 (7) MyTravel Airways (28.15) (67.84) (11.52) (3.04) (8,586)
4 (3) Thomas Cook Airlines (15.52) (79.91) (6.46) (1.57) (8,603)
5 (6) Monarch Airlines (26.46) (66.38) (10.14) (2.67) (4,574)
6 (4) Excel Airways (21.68) (72.95) (7.65) (2.34) (5,049)
7 (5) Astraeus (24.39) (68.63) (8.87) (3.08) (1,849)
8 (8) Flyjet (36.69) (44.97) (16.14) (2.65) (378)
FIRST CHOICE AVG DELAY 15MINS
THOMSONFLY 12MINS
MYTRAVEL 28MINS
THOMAS COOK 15MINS
MONARCH AIRLINES 26MINS
EXCEL 21 MINS
ASTRAEUS 24MINS
FLYJET 36MINS
+3HOURS DELAY
HIGHEST % 1ST
ASTRAEUS
MYTRAVEL
MONARCH
FLYJET
EXCEL
THOMAS COOK
FIRSTCHOICE
THOMSONFLY
1 (2) First Choice Airways(15.13) (77.94) (5.42) (1.28) (8,833)
2 (1) Thomsonfly * (12.82) (83.12) (4.55) (0.91) (10,526)
3 (7) MyTravel Airways (28.15) (67.84) (11.52) (3.04) (8,586)
4 (3) Thomas Cook Airlines (15.52) (79.91) (6.46) (1.57) (8,603)
5 (6) Monarch Airlines (26.46) (66.38) (10.14) (2.67) (4,574)
6 (4) Excel Airways (21.68) (72.95) (7.65) (2.34) (5,049)
7 (5) Astraeus (24.39) (68.63) (8.87) (3.08) (1,849)
8 (8) Flyjet (36.69) (44.97) (16.14) (2.65) (378)
FIRST CHOICE AVG DELAY 15MINS
THOMSONFLY 12MINS
MYTRAVEL 28MINS
THOMAS COOK 15MINS
MONARCH AIRLINES 26MINS
EXCEL 21 MINS
ASTRAEUS 24MINS
FLYJET 36MINS
+3HOURS DELAY
HIGHEST % 1ST
ASTRAEUS
MYTRAVEL
MONARCH
FLYJET
EXCEL
THOMAS COOK
FIRSTCHOICE
THOMSONFLY
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From: EGKK
Those figures and ranking are for last year (i.e. for the comparable period Apr-Jul 2004). The Apr-Jul 2005 figures are in my post.
See http://www.flightontime.info/charter/charter.html
See http://www.flightontime.info/charter/charter.html
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From: somewhere near LTN
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From: EGKK
First Choice top for punctuality (Summer '05)
First Choice lived up to their name last summer, with the delay league table announced today.
Sad to see we are back to the days of 1 in 10 UK charter flights on average running over an hour late though. Some airlines really have some work to do.
http://www.flightontime.info
Sad to see we are back to the days of 1 in 10 UK charter flights on average running over an hour late though. Some airlines really have some work to do.
http://www.flightontime.info
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From: EGGW
Re: First Choice top for punctuality (Summer '05)
They may have come top in the table, but the figure that l would say is more important, is how often you dept within 15 minutes of your departure time.
My Travel came first in that one, with Thomsonfly second and First Choice third.
My Travel came first in that one, with Thomsonfly second and First Choice third.
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From: Scotland
Re: First Choice top for punctuality (Summer '05)
The one thing that I learnt when doing my BSc was that you can make averages and statistics mean anything you want to, depending on which side your personal bias leans.
If you we're to equalise the flights to the minimum random sample eg, around the 1600 mark, then it would be interesting to see how the positions change. Obviously, this would be hard to do due to the size of each airline and it's operations. But then you have to ask, is it really fair to compare FlyJet's 1166 flights with Thomsonfly's 18224? If you took a random sample of just 1166 Thomsonfly flights at any particular point in time, they may fair much worse or even better than they do in this table. And where are their bases of operation? An airline that mainly works out of Gatwick or Manchester, compared to one that uses much quieter regional hubs could be considered unfair aswell.
I'm not picking, just an observation to promote debate. I personally take these tables all with a pinch of salt. I am trying to be impartial here. I work for TCX, so that's where my loyalty sits. Hopefully we'll do better this summer!
Anyone care to offer a different view on this?
ACA
If you we're to equalise the flights to the minimum random sample eg, around the 1600 mark, then it would be interesting to see how the positions change. Obviously, this would be hard to do due to the size of each airline and it's operations. But then you have to ask, is it really fair to compare FlyJet's 1166 flights with Thomsonfly's 18224? If you took a random sample of just 1166 Thomsonfly flights at any particular point in time, they may fair much worse or even better than they do in this table. And where are their bases of operation? An airline that mainly works out of Gatwick or Manchester, compared to one that uses much quieter regional hubs could be considered unfair aswell.
I'm not picking, just an observation to promote debate. I personally take these tables all with a pinch of salt. I am trying to be impartial here. I work for TCX, so that's where my loyalty sits. Hopefully we'll do better this summer!
Anyone care to offer a different view on this?
ACA
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From: scotland
Re: First Choice top for punctuality (Summer '05)
The one thing that I learnt when doing my BSc was that you can make averages and statistics mean anything you want to, depending on which side your personal bias leans.
If you we're to equalise the flights to the minimum random sample eg, around the 1600 mark, then it would be interesting to see how the positions change. Obviously, this would be hard to do due to the size of each airline and it's operations. But then you have to ask, is it really fair to compare FlyJet's 1166 flights with Thomsonfly's 18224? If you took a random sample of just 1166 Thomsonfly flights at any particular point in time, they may fair much worse or even better than they do in this table. And where are their bases of operation? An airline that mainly works out of Gatwick or Manchester, compared to one that uses much quieter regional hubs could be considered unfair aswell.
I'm not picking, just an observation to promote debate. I personally take these tables all with a pinch of salt. I am trying to be impartial here. I work for TCX, so that's where my loyalty sits. Hopefully we'll do better this summer!
Anyone care to offer a different view on this?
ACA
If you we're to equalise the flights to the minimum random sample eg, around the 1600 mark, then it would be interesting to see how the positions change. Obviously, this would be hard to do due to the size of each airline and it's operations. But then you have to ask, is it really fair to compare FlyJet's 1166 flights with Thomsonfly's 18224? If you took a random sample of just 1166 Thomsonfly flights at any particular point in time, they may fair much worse or even better than they do in this table. And where are their bases of operation? An airline that mainly works out of Gatwick or Manchester, compared to one that uses much quieter regional hubs could be considered unfair aswell.
I'm not picking, just an observation to promote debate. I personally take these tables all with a pinch of salt. I am trying to be impartial here. I work for TCX, so that's where my loyalty sits. Hopefully we'll do better this summer!
Anyone care to offer a different view on this?
ACA
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From: EGKK
Re: First Choice top for punctuality (Summer '05)
Originally Posted by Mr @ Spotty M
They may have come top in the table, but the figure that l would say is more important, is how often you dept within 15 minutes of your departure time.
My Travel came first in that one, with Thomsonfly second and First Choice third.
My Travel came first in that one, with Thomsonfly second and First Choice third.
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From: Far east
Re: First Choice top for punctuality (Summer '05)
And LTE came on top overall
Volar Airlines / 14.33 / 72.35 / 5.46 / 1.02 / 586
Channel Express / 15.73 / 75.47 / 7.23 / 1.26 / 318
Hello / 16.57 / 76.24 / 4.62 / 1.98 / 303
First Choice / 16.90 / 72.71 / 5.87 / 1.16 / 16,516
Thomsonfly / 17.96 / 76.65 / 6.47 / 1.63 / 18,224
Iberworld / 20.22 / 75.68 / 7.72 / 2.70 / 259
Air Europa / 21.65 / 61.54 / 8.44 / 0.74 / 403
BA CitiExpress / 23.29 / 58.22 / 10.45 / 0.86 / 584
MyTravel / 23.84 / 77.71 / 8.57 / 2.94 / 10,996
Air Malta / 24.05 / 65.85 / 10.82 / 2.71 / 776
Pegasus / 24.61 / 67.70 / 8.31 / 2.14 / 421
BH Air / 26.60 / 57.13 / 13.05 / 1.71 / 996
Thomas Cook / 29.24 / 69.83 / 11.90 / 3.64 / 15,607
Futura / 31.47 / 52.57 / 15.33 / 2.75 / 835
bmi / 32.99 / 49.35 / 11.92 / 2.09 / 1,149
Monarch / 33.60 / 58.20 / 13.00 / 3.33 / 7,648
Onur Air / 37.66 / 48.42 / 20.93 / 3.17 / 884
Astraeus / 38.94 / 56.75 / 16.57 / 4.36 / 2,890
Spanair / 39.83 / 41.89 / 20.95 / 3.38 / 444
Excel / 40.23 / 61.62 / 14.38 / 4.45 / 10,881
Eurocypria / 46.65 / 45.72 / 17.51 / 2.54 / 748
European Air Charter / 55.84 / 43.35 / 27.58 / 8.23 / 1,008
Flyjet / 59.94 / 38.85 / 30.36 / 6.60 / 1,166
Air Atlanta Europe / 83.95 / 28.18 / 34.60 / 9.43 / 1,029
Volar Airlines / 14.33 / 72.35 / 5.46 / 1.02 / 586
Channel Express / 15.73 / 75.47 / 7.23 / 1.26 / 318
Hello / 16.57 / 76.24 / 4.62 / 1.98 / 303
First Choice / 16.90 / 72.71 / 5.87 / 1.16 / 16,516
Thomsonfly / 17.96 / 76.65 / 6.47 / 1.63 / 18,224
Iberworld / 20.22 / 75.68 / 7.72 / 2.70 / 259
Air Europa / 21.65 / 61.54 / 8.44 / 0.74 / 403
BA CitiExpress / 23.29 / 58.22 / 10.45 / 0.86 / 584
MyTravel / 23.84 / 77.71 / 8.57 / 2.94 / 10,996
Air Malta / 24.05 / 65.85 / 10.82 / 2.71 / 776
Pegasus / 24.61 / 67.70 / 8.31 / 2.14 / 421
BH Air / 26.60 / 57.13 / 13.05 / 1.71 / 996
Thomas Cook / 29.24 / 69.83 / 11.90 / 3.64 / 15,607
Futura / 31.47 / 52.57 / 15.33 / 2.75 / 835
bmi / 32.99 / 49.35 / 11.92 / 2.09 / 1,149
Monarch / 33.60 / 58.20 / 13.00 / 3.33 / 7,648
Onur Air / 37.66 / 48.42 / 20.93 / 3.17 / 884
Astraeus / 38.94 / 56.75 / 16.57 / 4.36 / 2,890
Spanair / 39.83 / 41.89 / 20.95 / 3.38 / 444
Excel / 40.23 / 61.62 / 14.38 / 4.45 / 10,881
Eurocypria / 46.65 / 45.72 / 17.51 / 2.54 / 748
European Air Charter / 55.84 / 43.35 / 27.58 / 8.23 / 1,008
Flyjet / 59.94 / 38.85 / 30.36 / 6.60 / 1,166
Air Atlanta Europe / 83.95 / 28.18 / 34.60 / 9.43 / 1,029