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FCAs 787s....Will they...Wont they?
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Any truth to the rumour that FCA have decided not to persue the 787 any further at this juncture?
Apparently there are slots for the 787 up for grabs it just hasn't been annouced yet.
Any truth to the rumour that FCA have decided not to persue the 787 any further at this juncture?
Apparently there are slots for the 787 up for grabs it just hasn't been annouced yet.
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The deal was that they get the B767's with subsidies if they go ahead with the B787 purchase. So they are looking at a complete failure of there star class if they did cancel because they couldnt keep up 33" without those subsidies.
So unless they were 100% silly and didnt care about customers or profit they they wouldnt cancel any orders, and by then the B767's will be verging on 20 years old so they will need a replacement anyway.
So unless they were 100% silly and didnt care about customers or profit they they wouldnt cancel any orders, and by then the B767's will be verging on 20 years old so they will need a replacement anyway.
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2 A320's and a 767 visiting at Cardiff.....hmmm...a bit speculative for me!!
Incidentally, the CWL unit is not 'w' ing through EXT summer '07.
Incidentally, the CWL unit is not 'w' ing through EXT summer '07.
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NEAM,
Its been a while I know but wanted to ask you something.
You say below about subsidies with the 767's. I heard, from a preivous MD that the only 767s FCA could get hold of at the time were low-weight cabin floor versions. Hence the restrictions on the seat numbers and the sudden enthusiasm for a "star" class product. I'm sure they may be receiving something from boeing for their "intent" for the 787 but as far as I've read it is still only a legal "intent" and not an "order"..... thats a big difference in aviation leasing wouldn't you agree?
Check out the Boeing Orders link.....
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
Its been a while I know but wanted to ask you something.
You say below about subsidies with the 767's. I heard, from a preivous MD that the only 767s FCA could get hold of at the time were low-weight cabin floor versions. Hence the restrictions on the seat numbers and the sudden enthusiasm for a "star" class product. I'm sure they may be receiving something from boeing for their "intent" for the 787 but as far as I've read it is still only a legal "intent" and not an "order"..... thats a big difference in aviation leasing wouldn't you agree?
Check out the Boeing Orders link.....
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
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The deal was that they get the B767's with subsidies if they go ahead with the B787 purchase. So they are looking at a complete failure of there star class if they did cancel because they couldnt keep up 33" without those subsidies.
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Windsheer, Nearly mate, just dotting the I's and crossing the T's, then you can rest assured that the first FCA 787 will be winging its way direct from Seattle to be based at CWL operating direct to Hawaii on the Monday! 
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Yes they did have a complete refit, so you would have thought the flooring could have been solved, and with them keeping AN they could have easily gone for the 30" seat pitch if they wanted to. Maybe it was the time frame, maybe they just wanted to be a market leader. Also i am not sure what versions DBLA and PJLO or whatever they are reg are, they may not be low weight
Also they signed an Intent but they have also selected the engine type, does this sound like the actions of a company not intending to get an aircraft?
Also they signed an Intent but they have also selected the engine type, does this sound like the actions of a company not intending to get an aircraft?
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Don't want to labour the point but a "refurbishment" and a Floor Strengthening MOD are worlds apart. In fact I'd bet good money that it was prohibativly expensive.
I'm sure they did go in for a deep check before reaching you guys but I can't see ANY airline attempting a modification that large and expensive then not utilising it by installing all premium Econ. seating...
Market leaders - probably ... My hats off to you guys ....I wish my company would do the same....but I suspect your fortune was forced by the weight issue i.e. by chance not by Choice. But hey it works!
As for the 787...engine choice...great but Boeings been very quiet about it. Particularly as I couldn't see FCA on that list? If there is one thing I learned about Aircraft Acquisitions - its all Cloak and Dagger.....
....often more Dagger than Cloak.
I'm sure they did go in for a deep check before reaching you guys but I can't see ANY airline attempting a modification that large and expensive then not utilising it by installing all premium Econ. seating...
Market leaders - probably ... My hats off to you guys ....I wish my company would do the same....but I suspect your fortune was forced by the weight issue i.e. by chance not by Choice. But hey it works!
As for the 787...engine choice...great but Boeings been very quiet about it. Particularly as I couldn't see FCA on that list? If there is one thing I learned about Aircraft Acquisitions - its all Cloak and Dagger.....
....often more Dagger than Cloak.
As a consumer I'd like to add my two cents worth. We had no intention of taking a holiday this year but got sucked in by an email from FCH boasting of the new Star Premier Class. As I cannot bear to cross The Pond without a reasonable amount of leg room, we decided to give it a try and chose Aruba as our destination.
Should any members of crew wish to identify themselves with the following comments our dates were 12 June LGW/AUA and 26 June return.
In a nutshell the new layout, decor and facilities in Star Class Premier were absolutely superb. The cabin crew whilst attentive were not overly so and I just wish there was a beauty therapist like Lindsay on every flight I took. Both the choice and quality of the meals served were superb (seriously) and these were complemented with an excellent drinks service.
Crew PAs from the cabin and flight deck were spot on, in particular on the sleeper service return where they were kept to a minimum. The IFE was very comprehensive and worked perfectly. In particular I found the video on demand service a brilliant way to avoid the usual problems about trying to watch a video whilst balancing a tray of food. During meal service I switched from viddy to Skymap and then picked up the video from where it was left once the trays had been removed.
You'll have noticed the comment, "balancing a tray of food." Herein lies the only problem though I haven't a clue what the answer is. The meal tray was far too large for the table and despite warnings from the CC, 5 people on the outbound dumped their lunch onto their feet when the tray tipped over the back of the table. The temporary answer is to rearrange the tray setting with heavier items nearest you and the lighter ones to the back of the tray.
The only problem overall with the holiday related to the poor services of the FCH reps. On the outbound they were not at AUA to meet us as they claimed they did not know that we were landing 35 minutes ahead of schedule. On the return they messed up totally with handling a 6 hour delay by advising us of incorrect hotel pick-up times and not advising some pax at all. A delay caused by some idiot passenger on the outbound putting something they shouldn't down the loo causing the plane to turn back when already 90 minutes out over the Atlantic. Thanks!
The only losers in all of this will be BA. Thanks to the 6 hour delay we missed our connection at LGW to Malaga. BA refused to reschedule us and instead demanded £338 + taxes each for new tickets. Well thanks BA but my custom that day and from now on goes to Monarch.
I will certainly consider FCA Star Premier Class again and am now looking forward to my next email telling me that the 787 has been rolled out.
Should any members of crew wish to identify themselves with the following comments our dates were 12 June LGW/AUA and 26 June return.
In a nutshell the new layout, decor and facilities in Star Class Premier were absolutely superb. The cabin crew whilst attentive were not overly so and I just wish there was a beauty therapist like Lindsay on every flight I took. Both the choice and quality of the meals served were superb (seriously) and these were complemented with an excellent drinks service.
Crew PAs from the cabin and flight deck were spot on, in particular on the sleeper service return where they were kept to a minimum. The IFE was very comprehensive and worked perfectly. In particular I found the video on demand service a brilliant way to avoid the usual problems about trying to watch a video whilst balancing a tray of food. During meal service I switched from viddy to Skymap and then picked up the video from where it was left once the trays had been removed.
You'll have noticed the comment, "balancing a tray of food." Herein lies the only problem though I haven't a clue what the answer is. The meal tray was far too large for the table and despite warnings from the CC, 5 people on the outbound dumped their lunch onto their feet when the tray tipped over the back of the table. The temporary answer is to rearrange the tray setting with heavier items nearest you and the lighter ones to the back of the tray.
The only problem overall with the holiday related to the poor services of the FCH reps. On the outbound they were not at AUA to meet us as they claimed they did not know that we were landing 35 minutes ahead of schedule. On the return they messed up totally with handling a 6 hour delay by advising us of incorrect hotel pick-up times and not advising some pax at all. A delay caused by some idiot passenger on the outbound putting something they shouldn't down the loo causing the plane to turn back when already 90 minutes out over the Atlantic. Thanks!
The only losers in all of this will be BA. Thanks to the 6 hour delay we missed our connection at LGW to Malaga. BA refused to reschedule us and instead demanded £338 + taxes each for new tickets. Well thanks BA but my custom that day and from now on goes to Monarch.
I will certainly consider FCA Star Premier Class again and am now looking forward to my next email telling me that the 787 has been rolled out.