JET2

[robo283]

Originally Posted by lukeylad

Ah cheers mate thank for the information a 5th 757 wow!! wonder how easyjet and ryan air will respond to that.

They probably won't lose too much sleep. It's swings and roundabouts: old airframe = cheap acquisition cost but higher operating and maintenance costs (including the hidden costs of a/c going tech). New airframe = stonkingly high acquisition cost but much better operating / maintenance costs. If you can fill 'em and keep 'em flying, newer fleets win hands down. However if you are still developing new routes, not maximising utilisation and have a/c on the ground for more than a few hours a day then cheap 737s and 757s make sense. Plus if you own the airframe you can always flog it to someone else when you don't need it any more. I flew in some of Jet2's a/c when they were new which is going back a bit

[ILS Repeater]

Point of note.... LSAE looks like it will come on-line before LSAD. Don't know which base will get it though (they don't tell me everything !)

[mrhosty]

do we know where g-lsae is coming from?

[robo283]

Originally Posted by crewboi83

The usual we hear around the company.
1. 737s to be upgrded to 737-800s
2. Ryanair interested in buying out Jet2
3. LCA, PFO, LPA possiblly flying from MAN this winter
4. 737s to be replaced by 757s at man
5. Cargo area by the MYT hangers are to be turned into a Jet2 mini terminal
6. New Uniform to go with new company colour scheme and new paint jobs on a/c
7. 767 to join the fleet within the next yr to launch long haul
You know what galley FM is like, never believe it till it happens

Some interesting rumours, some of which appear more credible than others.
Credibility Ratings:
1. A big investment for an a/c that is midway in size between the 737-300 and 757-200. Would it perhaps be cheaper to fly a bought-and-paid-for 757 with, say, 170 pax than an expensive newer aircraft (albeit with lower seat-mile costs) at a higher load factor. It all depends on the existing 757 load factors; most of the loads seem pretty good at the moment which would suggest that a 'compromise' a/c would be a waste of money. 2/10
2. Ryanair is not in direct competition with Jet2 at either of its major stations (spooky that Jet2 doesn't fly LBA-DUB which is served by Ryanair and is potentially a massive route in local terms). The only reasons for Ryanair buying Jet2 would be (a) if they were squeezing Ryanair or (b) if Jet2 was in financial trouble and there were bargains to be had. If Ryanair wanted to fly Jet2's routes they would use their far greater size to muscle in. 1/10
3. LCA and PFO would appear to make sense (Cyprus is in the EU and is very attractive to independent holidaymakers). Also it is a good year-round destination. LPA is also a sensible destination, though the weather is not as good in Winter as in the south of Tenerife. A couple of other suggestions might include LEI as the Almeria region ticks all the boxes (year-round destination, plenty of villas owned or for rent, relatively underutilised airport which is traditionally keen on attracting British airlines), MUC as it is attractive for business, leisure and city-break travellers or BRU. 7/10
4. Up till now, LBA has developed ahead of MAN for Jet2. Although there is a greater customer base in the MAN catchment area, there is also much more competition. Also, would Jet2's routes support a minimum of 228 / 235 seats per flight? Some would; others that are profitable with a 737 might not sustain a 757 so the airline would be throwing money away. More 757s certainly, but no 737s? I think not. 1/10
5. That would represent a significant investment by MAN on behalf of Jet2 when you take into account access and other infrastructure. I don't know MAN particularly well but surely there are other larger carriers who would be after there own facilities first? 1/10
6. I've heard that one as well, but as another contributor points out, it's a lot of money for no direct financial gain (especially repainting the fleet) 1/10
7. Another sensible suggestion. If the 757s are full much of the time on the bigger routes, 767s are the natural progression for operational and financial reasons. So sensible in fact that I'm surprised it hasn't happened before now. It gives the airline additional flexibility to operate long distance charters as well as providing extra capacity to PMI, ALC, AGP, MJV and TFS. As a matter of interest, what is the range of a 767-200 from LBA with max payload?10/10
Those are my personal thoughts and I am prepared to be shot down in flames for them

[crewboi83]

Rob283 may you NOT be shot down i flames for your comments, they are fair and your entitled opinion.
Reffering to your previous post quoting you flew on some of Jet2s aircraft going back quite a bit. It seems jet2 are kind of being noted for having old aircraft but at the end of the day its a new airline still, only 3 years old, therefore the older aircraft were cheaper for a start up. In time they will be replaced im sure, Ryanair were flying those god rotten 737-200s around europe for years, Easy have only just got rid of their last few 737-300s
Even the well establised airlines that are turning over more than 10 times the profit Jet2 does still have older aircraft, BA have many old 757s knocking around lol

[Harrier46]

Crewboi, Jet2 is not a relatively new airline, only the idea and paint scheme are three years old. Everything else, including management, aircraft etc. are Channel Express. And the "old aircraft" idea comes from the original 737QC purchase, based on low utilisation at night on cargo flights and the odd pax charters during the day. So my guess is that it will be a good few years before we see Jet 2 ordering brand new aircraft, after all the management team (PM) has not changed from the freight days and to be fair, they are making money. So why saddle themselves with huge debts for new aircraft?

[GOLF-INDIA BRAVO]

I think it is proven that the B737-300 is the ideal aircraft for
Loco as BMI Baby and Thomsonfly also use that as their workhorse and as been mentioned Easy flew them for quite a while
Out of interest the BA B757 are not old as most of them are less than 10 years old because all the original one have been sold

G-I-B

[crewboi83]

Harrier46
JET2 is a fairly new airline, yes it came from channel express but the jet2 brand etc is all fairly recent. So to me makes sense to use the 737 as its cheap to run and they were already using it. Thomsonfly, a well established carrier set up the low cost arm using 737-300 and then 500s cos they r cheap, same as BMI who set up Baby, BA who set up GO all used 737-300 cos they all had 737 operating experience and they are ideal for a new start up.
Im well aware that jet2 came from EXS, i wudnt be a bit stupid to to not notice that considering i work for them.

[robo283]

I suspect the average non-aviation-aware pax would see the 737-300 and 757-200 as being up-to-date, certainly compared with the 737-200. At least Jet2 spend a fair amount refurbing the interiors. Then it's down to good (as opposed to just statutory-minimum) maintenance and watching out for cracks. There are plenty of 20+ year old a/c around, and a good few years ago I regularly used to hop onto a/c that were older than I was, even as an adult! Admittedly they were Viscounts I think Jet2 have been shrewd in their fleet acquisition policy; they are consistent and not just bought in any old junk (the 146 excepted and I can say that as I used to sell them ). If they step up to the 767 (and I have no inside knowledge here) then again the pax perception will be of a modern a/c and doubtless PM will source some from someone desperate to offload for financial not technical reasons. As a local I just wish the colour scheme was blue, white and yellow rather than the dreaded red and white

[ILS Repeater]

Jet2 livery is basically silver with red tail and red engine cowls..... the red and white ones are Icelandic (TF-) registered. Westill operate one green tail (G-CELW) but that a freighter not passenger. I thought the blue yellow white was Irish.............

[tonker]

The reason red and silver was used was because Virgin had plenty of spare paint going cheap, and thus any money saved could be spent on a decent colour sceme.

I personaly think it's a smart sceme, and yes i do work for them!

[robo283]

Originally Posted by ILS Repeater

Jet2 livery is basically silver with red tail and red engine cowls..... the red and white ones are Icelandic (TF-) registered. Westill operate one green tail (G-CELW) but that a freighter not passenger. I thought the blue yellow white was Irish.............

Red tail with white letters (and a silver 2), red and white 'Jet2' on the fuselage; all PR material in red, company stationery red on white etc etc. Probably designed to appeal to the Manchester market.......

However I take the point about the 'Irish airline' (the airline equivalent of 'The Scottish Play'?)

[ILS Repeater]

Quite so... never mention "The Irish Airline" by name lest it puts a hex you !

[jethro15]

Originally Posted by mrhosty

do we know where g-lsae is coming from?

Ex OM-SNA B757-27B 24135/165

jethro
UK and Ireland Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.i12.com

[robo283]

She's a relative youngster at only 18 years old! From the history it looks like she will know how to get to Amsterdam Probably have a political aversion to landing at Prague though as she will want to go back to Bratislava.


09/03/1988 Air Holland PH-AHE
25/10/1989 Sterling Airways OY-SHE
10/04/1990 Air Holland PH-AHE
08/10/1990 Sterling Airways OY-SHE
11/04/1991 Air Holland PH-AHE
20/12/1996 Icelandair PH-AHE
15/03/1997 Air Holland PH-AHE
05/03/1998 Dinar Lineas Aereas PH-AHE
18/05/1998 Air Holland PH-AHE
30/10/1999 Spanair PH-AHE
29/06/2000 Air Holland PH-AHE Stored at PDX as N355FV 20/03/04
04/08/2004 Air Slovakia OM-SNA

By the way, the Leeds-2 thread already has a 767-200 on its way to Jet2. Any takers for that rumour?

[crewboi83]

Any new routes comming for MAN?
Anyone know if we will be getting either 757 AD or AE in man to join AB?

I know TFS has just been announced but would be nice to see some new destinations added like Lisbon, Las Palmas, Cyprus, Madrid, Naples, Almeria, Athens or even new routes to Poland. come on guys!!!

Anyone got news on what routes will be done in winter? eg GVA or CMF, i remember the ski questionnaires from last winer had a list of destinations pax would like to see Jet2 fly too and Bolzano, SZG and INN was popular

[LBIA]

Hi

There are two new routes to be announced from the Leeds/Bradford base very shortly. Rumours are going around that the new routes will be to Cyprus and maybe a replacement service to Warsaw after the Centralwings fiasco. Las Palmas has also been mentioned in the past to add it to the growing list of Canary Islands on the jet2 network.

The Leeds - Dusseldorf & Belfast Int'l winter schedules will be announced shortly along with a possible new winter route to Rome. The Manchester - Rome winter schedule is already on sale. Also The Leeds - Palma route might actually be working this winter due to jet2 receiving so many complains last year when it was dropped for the winter season.

The winter Ski routes to Chambery and Geneva are set to go on sale very shortly as well from both from MAN and LBA. Don't know what’s in store for Newcastle or the Blackpool bases.

The new B757's will be heading for both Leeds and Manchester. The 2nd machine at Manchester will be the New Tenerife South based aircraft for the winter season. This will then just leave one unit at Manchester and the other 3 units at Leeds/Bradford for the winter period.

A 2nd Boeing 737-300 will be joining the Blackpool base in September. It will be moved from the LBA base as an when it’s not required anymore on the summer Ibiza and Mahon routes.

And last but not least. The Boeing 737-300 (G-CELC) which use to be called “Jet2 Prague” has now been renamed after a BBC Radio 1 DJ. “Jet2 Jo Whiley” The Aircraft is currently working out of the Manchester base but is set to be changed over with the Blackpool based unit shortly.

[richardnei]

Any new routes from BFS?

[HH6702]

Should be a few for NCL also?
anybody know what

[scamptonboy]

Jet2 new routes?

Dear LBIA

There are two new routes to be announced from the Leeds/Bradford base very shortly.

Of the rumoured new destinations on your short list from LBA: Cyprus, Warsaw and / or Las Palmas surely the first two would be the more advantageous to Jet2.
Granted Las Palmas is indeed a popular destination but with the region as a whole having such a diverse population including a strong Polish and Cypriot community to boot. I think Jet2 would, to put it mildly, "Cream In" again.

By the way, how confident are you that two new routes will be announced shortly?