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Rummour is that Air Wales is about to do a deal with Eastern to take over ALL its routes. IF this is true it is a very sad day for all involved with Air Wales past and present who have worked hard to realise the chairmans dreams of a Welsh Airline flying the flag.
Roy chin up you did your best and did indeed give Wales an airline to be proud of.
Long live the Red Dragon!!!
Roy chin up you did your best and did indeed give Wales an airline to be proud of.
Long live the Red Dragon!!!
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Hope not
It would be a great pity for Wales.
They have tried to keep Wales on the map.
If Eastern do take them over certain route would be cut back and i do not think they bwill take on the ATR42 Fleet.
Some of this might tie in with Eastern receiving more Jetstream 41s.
The ATR42 fleet should find a market even Aurign Air Service could be in a postion to take some aircraft on as they are looking at replacing the Shorts 360 they operate and would be a good move to cut down on different types with ithe company.
We would hope it is not total demise of the dragon
They have tried to keep Wales on the map.
If Eastern do take them over certain route would be cut back and i do not think they bwill take on the ATR42 Fleet.
Some of this might tie in with Eastern receiving more Jetstream 41s.
The ATR42 fleet should find a market even Aurign Air Service could be in a postion to take some aircraft on as they are looking at replacing the Shorts 360 they operate and would be a good move to cut down on different types with ithe company.
We would hope it is not total demise of the dragon
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Personally, I would rather see Air Wales and Air Southwest merge! Why wouldn't Eastern want the ATR42 fleet? You know how much Eastern love their turboprops!
Maybe this is why Air Wales cancelled their plans to acquire two ATR72's?
Maybe this is why Air Wales cancelled their plans to acquire two ATR72's?
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I think any T3 takeover on Air Wales routes would see big changes in the airline's route network. I would expect the leisure focused routes like CWL-JER/Rennes, EXT-NQY-ORK and WAT-Rennes to be dropped. However, there could be a good chance of a decent CWL-ABZ service
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I really dont want this to happen for some reason 
But I suppose it would be for the best!
airhumberside, I agree with you here!!!
3REDS, Do you have any more info on this?
But I suppose it would be for the best!
I think any T3 takeover on Air Wales routes would see big changes in the airline's route network. I would expect the leisure focused routes like CWL-JER/Rennes, EXT-NQY-ORK and WAT-Rennes to be dropped. However, there could be a good chance of a decent CWL-ABZ service
3REDS, Do you have any more info on this?
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The Cardiff - NCL route would fit in well with the Eastern network, could easily be 3/4 x daily with a J41 a/c. The fifth daily NCL - ABZ flight could originate in Cardiff instead of NCL as currently operated.
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I hate to see any airline fail and my first thoughts are always with the staff.
Living just across the Severn from the Dragon's layer I regard it as a local airline as I do with Air Southwest and Flybe. If 6G does cease to operate in its present form I hope fervently that those at the sharp end, who have clearly striven hard to try to make the enterprise work, find other opportunities quickly.
The bmibaby website is showing their double daily CWL-CDG still to be operated by Air Wales during the forthcoming summer.
If Air Wales does disappear as an airline baby will have to sort that one out quickly.
Let us hope that this is no more than a rumour, one that turns out to have no legs.
Good luck to Air Wales and to everyone associated with the airline.
Living just across the Severn from the Dragon's layer I regard it as a local airline as I do with Air Southwest and Flybe. If 6G does cease to operate in its present form I hope fervently that those at the sharp end, who have clearly striven hard to try to make the enterprise work, find other opportunities quickly.
The bmibaby website is showing their double daily CWL-CDG still to be operated by Air Wales during the forthcoming summer.
If Air Wales does disappear as an airline baby will have to sort that one out quickly.
Let us hope that this is no more than a rumour, one that turns out to have no legs.
Good luck to Air Wales and to everyone associated with the airline.
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I would say Air Wales/Air Southwest and Scot/Eastern have a different business model.
Air Wales and Air Southwest mix business and leisure traffic with some cheap fares and leisure orientated routes alongside high fare businees routes. Scot and Eastern are focused entirely on high fare business orientated routes. Like I said earlier, if Eastern do take over Air Wales's routes, I would expect the leisure orientated routes to be axed
Therefore I think any super merger of WOW/6G/T3 and CB wouldn't work. There would be a highly mixed fleet operating different businees models. However a combination of Eastern Airways and Scot Airways could be interesting
Air Wales and Air Southwest mix business and leisure traffic with some cheap fares and leisure orientated routes alongside high fare businees routes. Scot and Eastern are focused entirely on high fare business orientated routes. Like I said earlier, if Eastern do take over Air Wales's routes, I would expect the leisure orientated routes to be axed
Therefore I think any super merger of WOW/6G/T3 and CB wouldn't work. There would be a highly mixed fleet operating different businees models. However a combination of Eastern Airways and Scot Airways could be interesting
With no inference to the health of Air Wales 'merge' is the wrong word to use. No company will merge with another that is sick unless it has something of unique value to offer - it just doesn't happen in business guys.
What is best married together is not determined by who flies ATR's, Jetstreems, Boeings etc either, but by the numbers at the bottom of the balance sheet and profit and loss accounts.
As one of the founders of Air Wales my best wishes to all the staff, may this not be true and may they still be around as an airline for many years to come.
What is best married together is not determined by who flies ATR's, Jetstreems, Boeings etc either, but by the numbers at the bottom of the balance sheet and profit and loss accounts.
As one of the founders of Air Wales my best wishes to all the staff, may this not be true and may they still be around as an airline for many years to come.
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Come on, it's dangerous to start talk about airlines failing - the airline is still flying and booking so unless ppruners are better informed than the company, this is nothing more than speculation. I accept this is a rumour site but talk like this is dangerous and compromising to business. Let's judge by what actually happens and not try to kill it off in our eagerness to seem to be well informed, even if it is what the Servisair dispatcher or lady in WH Smith in the terminal told you.
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seems like the chairman will not let go of air wales without a fight.eastern deal a no no.long live howard hughes 
"suicide may be a hobby but i wouldnt want to do it for a living"
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Well, you might fit a J31 in the CWL Hangar
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But on a serious note, I would be upset to see Air Wales go. I hope, as all of you guys have that It is just a rumour, however, how long can 1 airline lose so much money. Financial report for 2003/04 was awful. Best part of 15Mil in the red. I wonder what the figure is going to be on the next one?? Perhaps its finally sinking in that it is not going to work, there is surely no realistic prospect of getting any return, surely its gone past that point.
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But on a serious note, I would be upset to see Air Wales go. I hope, as all of you guys have that It is just a rumour, however, how long can 1 airline lose so much money. Financial report for 2003/04 was awful. Best part of 15Mil in the red. I wonder what the figure is going to be on the next one?? Perhaps its finally sinking in that it is not going to work, there is surely no realistic prospect of getting any return, surely its gone past that point.
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I would like to ask the chairman ....why have you never advertised?
surely there is no excuse not to. i have always found, whilst employed with air wales, the company ethos very confusing and disturbing. till hell freezes over i still wont figure it out.
surely there is no excuse not to. i have always found, whilst employed with air wales, the company ethos very confusing and disturbing. till hell freezes over i still wont figure it out.
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On way of advertising, I saw a large banner in London once advertising the LCY routes when they were still running. And they sponsored neath(I think) rugby club aswell. Little snippets in local news papers but I havent seen much else. I think that the london could have been a sucess if exercised correctly. thousands of people go to london everyday from south wales for various reasons, not just business!!
Well its easy for us to say this and that, but we are on the outside. In all honesty I think it has been given a damn good go. Who else would keep a company going at -15mil. I think we should praise AWW & RT for not giving up. There is always a cut off point though and I dont think it's far off. It's a shame, Now AWW have done all of the ground work establishing routes and half decent pax figures perhaps another airline are going to reap the benefit.
Long Live The Red Dragon
Well its easy for us to say this and that, but we are on the outside. In all honesty I think it has been given a damn good go. Who else would keep a company going at -15mil. I think we should praise AWW & RT for not giving up. There is always a cut off point though and I dont think it's far off. It's a shame, Now AWW have done all of the ground work establishing routes and half decent pax figures perhaps another airline are going to reap the benefit.
Long Live The Red Dragon
Mrs Stone Cold heard the other day when she was in work that a staff meeting maybe called during the week, CAA paying another visit on Tuesday, as far as the Eastern deal goes I hear RT has not signed the contract. I hope things go on but I have serious doubts the dragon will be flying for very long