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...for two daily flights if I am to believe their schedules....
It is probably more useful to look at an outfit like Cape Air and its high frequency flights to Natucket and Martha's Vineyard. No C208, no turboprop 19 seater. As it is probably known around here, they are getting their own aircraft built: http://www.tecnam.com/slider-home-en...012-traveller/
It is probably more useful to look at an outfit like Cape Air and its high frequency flights to Natucket and Martha's Vineyard. No C208, no turboprop 19 seater. As it is probably known around here, they are getting their own aircraft built: http://www.tecnam.com/slider-home-en...012-traveller/
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2 types: High frequency ATRs to the mainland, plus C208B's inter island and ACI-SOU is the solution. The latter can be done with careful routing, altitude and synthetic vision options. 1 P&W PT6 is far more favourable than 2/3 piston engines: locals have idolised the BN2/3 with single crew for 30 years, so single point of failure has been the choice for a generation. And I'd choose 1 PT6 over a fully laden piston variant every time. Better still, 1 PT6 and 2 crew.
IFSD rate is quoted as 1 per 12.4m flight hours.
IFSD rate is quoted as 1 per 12.4m flight hours.
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Back when Aurigny operated the Twotter they were running many, many more inter-island flights than there are today. I believe it all came down to the fact that the PT6 was lifed by start cycles. There were about 5 to the flight hour as the average JER-GCI was 12 minutes.
That was what I was told back then anyway.
That was what I was told back then anyway.
Inter island flights to Jersey operated half hourly during the peak morning hours and evening till 7.30pm. other times were hourly, however many additional flights would be added when demand dictated, up to 30 a day each way GCIJER in peak season.
1 twin otter would operate 2 flights in 1 hour departing on the hour GCI-JER-GCI . The other one would operate GCI-ACI and ACI-SOU. All other flights would be operated by Trislander. All inter island flights had a block time of 15mins on their timetable with 15mins turnaround time if the same aircraft was used for the return.
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AUR operated 2 DHC6 a/c some time ago - I think that it was late '80s or early 90s. They gave up on them after a few years & the reason stated was that the short flights & the sea air gave them operational problems. I am not a mechanic, so,I don't really understand what those problems were. But, the airline definitely had a problem with the a/c & the engines - enough to take them out of service.
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Well when Brymon operated Twotters is was, legally, a single crew (pilot) operation up to 9 passengers and in excess of 9 still single pilot but a flight attendant was required.
I recall hearing at the time that AUR gave up on the Twotters because they weren't ready for turbine engines being an otherwise all piston engined outfit at the time
I recall hearing at the time that AUR gave up on the Twotters because they weren't ready for turbine engines being an otherwise all piston engined outfit at the time
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Looking at my log, it appears that I flew 48 Twin Otter flights with Aurigny over the years (amongst a total of over a thousand with them in total). From memory I never remember there having been any cabin crew, but, relying on the same memory, I cannot recall a single flight with less than two flight crew.
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Are you suggesting they drop the Gatwick connection? 5 times 75 does not come near the daily requirement, can you magic up the extra slots at Gatters which are not available? High frequency ATRs would be nice but the Gatwick end won't allow them consequently a larger plane like an E135/ B737 is needed..........back to the current number of types mix.
Having studied the load factors by month for the last 12 months - you certainly don't need a single type on the GCI / LGW route you need a winter wet lease of 1 type and a summer wet lease of a second type - with an extra 40 seats per sector especially at weekends and holiday periods
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Oh and they only run the e195 4 times a day not 5 - as the ATR does the second rotation weekdays - and there is nothing wrong with ATR doing the LGW run it has bugger all to do with slots - they have them and it is not conditional on a/c size
Happy to be corrected, Richard. I controlled them enough times, but never flew in them ! Had to wait until my first trip to the Seychelles to do that.
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Back when Aurigny operated the Twotter they were running many, many more inter-island flights than there are today. I believe it all came down to the fact that the PT6 was lifed by start cycles. There were about 5 to the flight hour as the average JER-GCI was 12 minutes.
That was what I was told back then anyway.
That was what I was told back then anyway.
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Surely the first question to ask about the Dorniers is how reliable has G-OAUR been? The others are around the same age as the trislanders so why expect them to be reliable. If G-OAUR has been reliable then the second question is when is the second NG actually due? Single engined commercial flights will never work, especially over the sea. Pretty sure the twotters cannot deal with the crosswinds at Alderny. The only real option for them were new Dorniers or LETs.
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Pretty sure the twotters cannot deal with the crosswinds at Alderny. The only real option for them were new Dorniers or LETs.
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I'm not party to the technical details but it's what I read somewhere. It cannot be a good fit otherwise it would have operated the Alderney route at some point. It is odd that it manages to operate from a beach in Scotland though.
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Even when PLH had tarmac occasionally Brymon's Twotters would use the grass just for the fun of it, crosswinds in Morlaix and Brest "No problem, we're coming in to use the grass"!
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GR290 was cancelled yesterday (22 July) supposedly due to a technical issues. Since the 3 operational Dorniers were all operational yesterday, it seems unlikely that they didn't have an a/c to operate the flight. Does anyone know the reason they cancelled the flight?
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The Twotter was designed to operate in the Arctic, and is also the aircraft of choice in Antarctica. I struggle to believe Alderney offers any greater wind challenges or otherwise than these environments?
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I think it is something like 48kts and the Twotter cannot even taxi, at PLH, and I kid you not, we even had one land in the hangar one windy night, but as for grass runways there's no problem, that's what it's designed for.
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Weather I believe, falling cloud base