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As a midlander, what i want is a service that flies, a service that does not discriminate in their premium cabin against premium passengers buying a seat for their under sevens, that has a seat which is to the quality of current buisness class such as Virgin's Upper class, or BA's Club World, or Continental that reclines almost flat, that has clubhouses at the airports it flies into and out of again, which allow passengers paying a premium price for them and their children to use, not set arbitary age limits.
Now which of the above does Fly Who meet?
The much needed service is adequatly provided by Continental and for the people whom price is the major item, Monarch etc..
As a midlander, what i want is a service that flies, a service that does not discriminate in their premium cabin against premium passengers buying a seat for their under sevens, that has a seat which is to the quality of current buisness class such as Virgin's Upper class, or BA's Club World, or Continental that reclines almost flat, that has clubhouses at the airports it flies into and out of again, which allow passengers paying a premium price for them and their children to use, not set arbitary age limits.
Now which of the above does Fly Who meet?
The much needed service is adequatly provided by Continental and for the people whom price is the major item, Monarch etc..
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i dont believe that flywho are discriminationg against passengers with children under 7 at all, I feel that they are giving people an option as I dont have children myself i wouldnt want to pay more to sit in there gold cabin and have a child sitting next to me complaining throughout the flight.
if you enjoy flying continental and stopping over in newark then carry on but personal id rather see what flywho can offer
if you enjoy flying continental and stopping over in newark then carry on but personal id rather see what flywho can offer
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What a load of rubbish. You are tarring every child under seven with the same brush.
I have sat next to more whining adults than children in buisness class.
As they are flying primarily a B&S route to a family destination, what a stupid rule.
What is the option then for people with children? sit in the back in those very tight seats with very little recline (yes I did try the seats at one of the travel shows they turned up at) or fly with someone else.
Automatically your revenue base has been diminished.
Guess what? never going to get my money, even when he is over 7.
But again, please answer, what of the list I set does Fly never meet?
What are they actually offering against the established current airlines flying out of BHX?
Old style Premium Economy seats with again, poor recline and not that wide?
Use of which buisness lounge at BHX and at where? Sanford?
2 pieces of luggage with a combined weight of 30KG??? sorry 20Kg for the cattle class
So, no lounge availability, no decent recline, least luggage allowance and all for a price more than Monarch who give more for less from the same airport.
Good marketing strategy that
What a load of rubbish. You are tarring every child under seven with the same brush.
I have sat next to more whining adults than children in buisness class.
As they are flying primarily a B&S route to a family destination, what a stupid rule.
What is the option then for people with children? sit in the back in those very tight seats with very little recline (yes I did try the seats at one of the travel shows they turned up at) or fly with someone else.
Automatically your revenue base has been diminished.
Guess what? never going to get my money, even when he is over 7.
But again, please answer, what of the list I set does Fly never meet?
What are they actually offering against the established current airlines flying out of BHX?
Old style Premium Economy seats with again, poor recline and not that wide?
Use of which buisness lounge at BHX and at where? Sanford?
2 pieces of luggage with a combined weight of 30KG??? sorry 20Kg for the cattle class
So, no lounge availability, no decent recline, least luggage allowance and all for a price more than Monarch who give more for less from the same airport.
Good marketing strategy that
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Funnily enough when i book a flight its to go on holiday not to sit in some snobby lounge in an airport.
The cattle class is still better than the likes of thomson who are the only other carrier who go to sanford direct from bhx.
If its not for you fine dont use it, why feel the need to voice your nasty little opinions on the internet.
The cattle class is still better than the likes of thomson who are the only other carrier who go to sanford direct from bhx.
If its not for you fine dont use it, why feel the need to voice your nasty little opinions on the internet.
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Originally Posted by bradfordboy
The main reason for their delay is to do with this massive airbus thats being launched, in that because that is now not ready the companies that were going to use it have now decided to hang onto their planes and not sell them until it is ready. It's a bit of a knock on effect (like house buying/selling).
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Originally Posted by 21SNM
Funnily enough when i book a flight its to go on holiday not to sit in some snobby lounge in an airport.
The cattle class is still better than the likes of thomson who are the only other carrier who go to sanford direct from bhx.
If its not for you fine dont use it, why feel the need to voice your nasty little opinions on the internet.
The cattle class is still better than the likes of thomson who are the only other carrier who go to sanford direct from bhx.
If its not for you fine dont use it, why feel the need to voice your nasty little opinions on the internet.
First you want to be a "snob" and only have adults around you in the so-called "Gold Cabin" (or more like 1980's buisness cabin), then you call airport lounges snobby!
When I book a flight I excpect it to take off. As what seems to be the official mouthpiece for Fly never, what about answering the question I posed.
What is so great about the Fly Never service on offer?
Even the thomson flight allows more baggage than you will. AND they actually fly to Sanford, something Fly never havent acheived in almost three years. Now you are threatening to subject the passengers to a A310 ROFL!
Still, plenty of time to yet again change the plane and the name and the service and, well just about everything yet again
I love the fact that yet again, to try and discuss this non flying airline with anyone from Fly Never, you end up with a personal attack.
Love it!
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When i fly i dont want to be surrounded with kids - simple.
However doesnt mean i want to be in some snooty lounge either.
Thomson may have more luggage but they dont go all year round.
Glad you find yourself so amusing, but really if you dont want to use them, then dont just because you dont want to doesnt mean everyone else has to feel the same as you.
However doesnt mean i want to be in some snooty lounge either.
Thomson may have more luggage but they dont go all year round.
Glad you find yourself so amusing, but really if you dont want to use them, then dont just because you dont want to doesnt mean everyone else has to feel the same as you.
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What's wrong with wanting to use an airport lounge (snooty or otherwise)?
I don't consider myself a snob but I guess we all are to some extent. I also don't want to be surrounded by children and go to lengths to avoid it when travelling. Sometimes it's unavoidable if you are travelling to a destination popular with families and I fully understand that, in which case I am the one that needs to be tollerant. Going back to the origianl point, having access to a lounge at both ends of your journey makes the whole process of being "processed" through an airport a little more tolerable and sometimes even enjoyable.
The basic idea of flywho is a good one in the rights hands, not in those of a bunch of clowns and amateurs. I'm afriad they've missed the boat anyway, the charter operators have got their act together and now offer premium cabins on their long haul flights that are very competetively priced and offer and very pleasant flying experience.
I don't consider myself a snob but I guess we all are to some extent. I also don't want to be surrounded by children and go to lengths to avoid it when travelling. Sometimes it's unavoidable if you are travelling to a destination popular with families and I fully understand that, in which case I am the one that needs to be tollerant. Going back to the origianl point, having access to a lounge at both ends of your journey makes the whole process of being "processed" through an airport a little more tolerable and sometimes even enjoyable.
The basic idea of flywho is a good one in the rights hands, not in those of a bunch of clowns and amateurs. I'm afriad they've missed the boat anyway, the charter operators have got their act together and now offer premium cabins on their long haul flights that are very competetively priced and offer and very pleasant flying experience.
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sorry to interupt this fascinating dicussion
but are Flywho REALLY going to get off the ground? When is the official launch day? Have they been seen to be doing any marketing/promotion in the press?
but are Flywho REALLY going to get off the ground? When is the official launch day? Have they been seen to be doing any marketing/promotion in the press?
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Originally Posted by 21SNM
When i fly i dont want to be surrounded with kids - simple.
However doesnt mean i want to be in some snooty lounge either.
Thomson may have more luggage but they dont go all year round.
Glad you find yourself so amusing, but really if you dont want to use them, then dont just because you dont want to doesnt mean everyone else has to feel the same as you.
However doesnt mean i want to be in some snooty lounge either.
Thomson may have more luggage but they dont go all year round.
Glad you find yourself so amusing, but really if you dont want to use them, then dont just because you dont want to doesnt mean everyone else has to feel the same as you.
At least Fly never do have something going all year round, the inability to get off the ground.
How many years is it now since the original inaugural flight date?
how many chnages of aircraft?
How many flights to Florida have Thomson flown in that time??
And you want to be compared favourably with them??
Not an argument you can ever win.
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Originally Posted by bradfordboy
come on
Thats to Sanford.
They reckon they are going to St Petes/Clearwater on the 5th October.
Thats to Sanford.
They reckon they are going to St Petes/Clearwater on the 5th October.
St petes now 19th October on the Fly Never website
Sanford now 14th October.
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Lets Be Realistic
Having read through all the comments on FlyWho, it seems that this venture is tainted with the same degree of procrastination that effects BHX - moving on. Living 30 minutes from BHX, nothing would help me and my associates more than having the facility to travel west to key gateways in the USA, using proven carriers. The local press have been reporting for over 30 years about a runway extension, and while BHX have talked - others have walked - leaving Central England almost static. I will not fly Continental, nor will my counterparts in the USA. The aircraft used by Continental is merely a domestic aircraft, in fact I have flown domestic in the USA into Newark, left the plane and then re-boarded the very same plane back to Birmingham. Flying from Manchester, when possible, or London if necessary, many of my conversations on board revolve around the BHX route shortfalls, travellers want to fly from BHX but scheduled trans-atlantic operators are just not there. Not everyone wants to fly on a Charter, many travellers do want to pay for the service of 'turning left' and relaxing in a private lounge, and we DO pay for this service - this in turn allows competitive economy fares on the same aircraft. Should FlyWho eventually commence operations, it will need to market itself as 'Family Carrier' and leave the Business/Upper Class marketplace to the serious carriers. BHX will not/can not attract serious trans-atlantic competition until a suitable runway facility is available, so don't hold your breath.
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Flywho/BHX Runway
Irrespective of will they won't they fly I also believe that they
have aimed at the wrong market, let alone the farce of obtaining
an aircraft.
As for the runway there is only anecdotal evidence that it has lost
BHX services. Although apparently at one BHX roadshow, a BHX representative was allegedly reported as saying that Delta
were not interested due to the runway restrictions (Atlanta service).
However it has to be remembered that the excuses used in the
recent press releases relating to the reduction in pax this summer
came from the same management team but at least they have given
us locals something to smile about .
Rumour has it that BHX are still determined to get the runway
extended by 2012 yet other projects might be delayed.
To be fair to BHX on this point this is one heck of a project with the
A45 a stones throw from runway 33 and with 51% still owned
by the various Local Councils it will be difficult enough to get
this done by 2012 (funding, planning etc).
If the problem with CO is the 757, there appears to be little respite
in the near future with the current rumours: -
US (PHL) - possible for 2007
NW (DTW) - ???
DL (JFK) - Possible for 2007/8
all by 757.
Pete
have aimed at the wrong market, let alone the farce of obtaining
an aircraft.
As for the runway there is only anecdotal evidence that it has lost
BHX services. Although apparently at one BHX roadshow, a BHX representative was allegedly reported as saying that Delta
were not interested due to the runway restrictions (Atlanta service).
However it has to be remembered that the excuses used in the
recent press releases relating to the reduction in pax this summer
came from the same management team but at least they have given
us locals something to smile about
.Rumour has it that BHX are still determined to get the runway
extended by 2012 yet other projects might be delayed.
To be fair to BHX on this point this is one heck of a project with the
A45 a stones throw from runway 33 and with 51% still owned
by the various Local Councils it will be difficult enough to get
this done by 2012 (funding, planning etc).
If the problem with CO is the 757, there appears to be little respite
in the near future with the current rumours: -
US (PHL) - possible for 2007
NW (DTW) - ???
DL (JFK) - Possible for 2007/8
all by 757.
Pete
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Runway Extension
Without labouring on a point, there were plans published in the Birmingham Evening Mail, way back in the early 1970's, togerther with a letter I wrote regarding the same being published, showing the proposed runway extension across the A45. That's over 30 years of nothing but talk, whilst others have moved on and beyond.
So back to BHX procrastination and regular travellers frustration of wanting BHX, long haul. If Birmingham, asa city, can't get its act together in 30 plus years, I must share the doubts of most that 2012 will not see the additional extension to the runway. Whilst my main used routes are to the USA, the failure to be able to offer long haul to the Far East, the emerging major global economic region, puts further doubt on the credability of BHX as a true player on the UK airport scene. Still, the lads and ladettes can always get over to Prague/Amsterdam etc on the cheap................True internationa status!
My last thought on this - offer a air shuttle service to the serious airports, LHR, LGW & MAN so we can at least avoid the dire car journeys.
So back to BHX procrastination and regular travellers frustration of wanting BHX, long haul. If Birmingham, asa city, can't get its act together in 30 plus years, I must share the doubts of most that 2012 will not see the additional extension to the runway. Whilst my main used routes are to the USA, the failure to be able to offer long haul to the Far East, the emerging major global economic region, puts further doubt on the credability of BHX as a true player on the UK airport scene. Still, the lads and ladettes can always get over to Prague/Amsterdam etc on the cheap................True internationa status!
My last thought on this - offer a air shuttle service to the serious airports, LHR, LGW & MAN so we can at least avoid the dire car journeys.